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InvisibleSynthe
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Re: favoritizm in post/poster [Re: Legend]
    #18629856 - 07/29/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Legend said:
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Dystopia said:
Stop worrying too much over a drug message board.. indeed, the subforum in which you're posting is filled with 13 year old DXM shamans anyway. Hell, look at Sheekle, he won't be able to buy cigarettes for another six years still.




I betcha i can take many more bong ripz than you

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InvisibleNWlight
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Re: favoritizm in post/poster [Re: Synthe]
    #18629861 - 07/29/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

none cause I'm dry :sad:


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InvisibleEverlong
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Re: favoritizm in post/poster [Re: TheMule73]
    #18629970 - 07/29/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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TheMule73 said:
Hmm I just read Stillnox's last post in that thread by dystopia. He called Dystopia a "premier shrommerite". Regardless of whether individual users think of Dystopia in that way or not, I am confident to say that the community as a whole does in fact view Dystopia as a premier member. The community has recognizes the identity of Dystopia in a certain way, such that within certain situations (certain threads) his post wills be viewed upon in a certain way. "But i (individually) don't view Dystopia's posts in anyway!" It doesn't matter. The community does.

I am not saying that in this case this is a bad thing, just pointing it out.




If it makes you feel better I dislike Dystopia and think he's a try hard who really goes out of his way to fit in.

For example: When he purposely flamed someone in the pub (calling everyone a pubfag) so he would get banned and he could run to OTD like it was some sort of badge of honor. Then you look at his posts and realize over 50% of them are from the pub. :ilold:


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Invisiblekoraks
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Re: favoritizm in post/poster [Re: TheMule73]
    #18632218 - 07/30/13 01:02 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Uhoh, someone just figured out that people take context into account when interpreting information...how now?

Oh, and maybe science has picked up on the internet but decided that it is conceptually really similar to other forms of communication. How about that?


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Re: favoritizm in post/poster [Re: Synthe]
    #18632376 - 07/30/13 02:56 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Synthe said:
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Legend said:
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Dystopia said:
Stop worrying too much over a drug message board.. indeed, the subforum in which you're posting is filled with 13 year old DXM shamans anyway. Hell, look at Sheekle, he won't be able to buy cigarettes for another six years still.




I betcha i can take many more bong ripz than you

:ahahaha:



hOw MaNy bOnG RiPzZ cAn u TaKe?



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InvisibleMOTH
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Re: favoritizm in post/poster [Re: Legend]
    #18632428 - 07/30/13 04:05 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I really wouldn't worry about it.  I pop in, post some shit, and then leave.  I've met many Shroomerites in person and admittedly am more interested in their posts.  And then there are the Shroomerites I haven't met but I enjoy their posts because they are either A.) well written and insightful OR B.) humorous and silly.  So I tend to reply to those. 

Don't take it personally but if it matters to you that much you could always try to kiss more ass I guess?


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InvisibleAdden
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Re: favoritizm in post/poster [Re: MOTH]
    #18632724 - 07/30/13 07:50 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I'm def far from a premiere poster on the Shroomery. I'm def no MOTH, geokills, trendal or ythan. I piss people off I'm sure. I'm glad st1llnox thinks of me that way. If you can make at least one person smile every day then you're doing it right regardless of who you are, how long you've been here, or what and where you post. If I helped nox then good, there's a warm place in my heart for him, and also many others past and present or no longer with us. I know I'm a dick, but there's always time to give me a call, send a pm, or hit up one of the many offsite chats. The mob mentality that this board showed to him is much worse than I could ever be to a person.


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Re: favoritizm in post/poster [Re: benzod]
    #18632753 - 07/30/13 08:12 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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benzod said:
Im tired of seeing the same damn people posting and giving feedback (ass kissing) due to there status on a f'kng forum.  discuss or dont..even forumns are not safe from favoritism and feeling left out due to some made up epeen.




I favor people that teach me stuff :shrug:


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InvisibleTheMule73
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Re: favoritizm in post/poster [Re: koraks]
    #18633519 - 07/30/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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koraks said:

Oh, and maybe science has picked up on the internet but decided that it is conceptually really similar to other forms of communication. How about that?




That could be the case. I don't happen to think that the following word--which gained popularity (and thus its meaning, since the meaning of a word is in its use) via the internet--is really similar to other words whose meaning is/was learned through IRL interaction, though.

-If I were to ask "What does 'Derp' mean?"
-Someone could respond with: "Derp."

That is, if I ask what a certain word means, a response can literally be that very word and this response would not be doubted as being a legitimate response. Someone might think the person who responded was being so and so, but that response is allowed as having sense.

Compare this to:
-If I were to ask "What does 'duh' mean?"
-Someone could not respond with: "duh."

I mean, of course, they could respond with that, but that wouldnt be viewed as being a legit response. It would be similar to someone seriously asking "What time is it?" and some goober replying "time to get a watch!".

"Duh" can not be a reply to the question: what does "duh" mean? because that answer would not go 'unchecked' by someone. An observer would doubt the correctness of the use of the word in that situation. Someone may be trying to be sarcastic or whatnot and reply with "duh" but in regards to it being a reply to what the actual word (duh) means, then the reply of simply 'duh' doesn't tell me anything.

"derp" on the other hand, can 100% go unchecked as a reply to the question: what does derp mean?

Why can this be? "Derp" is a word used to 'define' the situation which is occurring. We understand the word by associating it to a certain situation--we form an understanding of what this situation consists of. We then allow the usage of the word 'derp' to be uttered within situations that are similar to the 'prototypical' situation a person has in mind.

A few big things here. 1)The word 'derp' has a meaning which was formed by: a specific type of situation where the word was used, which users becomes aware of.
*Note, I do not need to name the type of situation. All I need to say is it is a "specific type of situation" because we all know what type of situation that is, regardless of explicitly stating so (and this is clear, because how else would we all be using the word correctly?)  Its a situation with blurred edges, similar to a concept with blurred boundaries.

2) The word--not always--but can be used to within these types of situations, which signals to the user of the word/and to any observers, what type of situation the user of the word thinks is occurring. How the situation is being 'defined.' (A blurry definition, of course)

3) People do not all have the same 'prototypical' situation in mind when they hear the word 'derp' (when it is used to define a situation) and yet by sizing up what the current situation consists of, one can compare it to their prototypical situation and assess whether the usage of the word was right. Most cases it is, and so one's use of the word wont be questioned by another. #3 here is an aspect of 'family resemblances'--in respect to situations--coming into play.

Even if you don't agree with my view on how the word is really a "situational" word, you surely must agree that somehow it is different then the majority of other words? And even if someone were to say "derp really isn't even a word, though" that wouldn't matter too much. When the sound (derp) is uttered, I am able to understand the sense that is being conveyed. And it is being spoken to convey a certain sense.

The users of the interenet used this word (and similar words/phrases) differently then how people IRL use words. A word's meaning is in its use. This word was used differently, and now has a different type of meaning then regular words. This should be studied. If it is, then shit I didn't know that. If it isn't, then I am going to hold--regardless of my lack of credentials--that the internet isn't being studied the way it should be.


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Re: favoritizm in post/poster [Re: The Lizard King]
    #18633586 - 07/30/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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The Lizard King said:
OP, why do you care so much about being heard by a bunch of anonymous people on an online forum?






Yeah no shit. Who gives a fuck, it's an internet forum.


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Invisiblekoraks
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Re: favoritizm in post/poster [Re: TheMule73]
    #18633629 - 07/30/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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TheMule73 said:
Even if you don't agree with my view on how the word is really a "situational" word, you surely must agree that somehow it is different then the majority of other words?



Sure, but that doesn't mean that the internet has fundamentally changed the processes and phenomena that sociologists have already been investigating. The emergence of a new word is nothing new - language has always been evolving and it always will. New words sometimes emerge, and sometimes they even stick. The internet can play a role in it, but I am not convinced that it is conceptually really different from other mass media that have been in existence longer - or even the travelling entertainers and storytellers from the old days before mass media even existed.


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Re: favoritizm in post/poster [Re: koraks]
    #18633773 - 07/30/13 12:53 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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koraks said:
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TheMule73 said:
Even if you don't agree with my view on how the word is really a "situational" word, you surely must agree that somehow it is different then the majority of other words?



Sure, but that doesn't mean that the internet has fundamentally changed the processes and phenomena that sociologists have already been investigating. The emergence of a new word is nothing new - language has always been evolving and it always will. New words sometimes emerge, and sometimes they even stick. The internet can play a role in it, but I am not convinced that it is conceptually really different from other mass media that have been in existence longer - or even the travelling entertainers and storytellers from the old days before mass media even existed.




I agree language evolves, words come into a language and go back out all the time. This isn't just a new word though, in the sense that it is a word that has previously not been established, but now it is established and it is being used in the same way as other words. No, at least not imo. It is a word that is used in a different way. Studying this will yield more information on how we make sense of things. Again, only imo. I will try to explain what I mean, tho.


Ludwig Wittgenstein made known the notion of a 'blurred concept' with the publication of one of his books a few years after his death. This was radical in that it used to be accepted that something belonged to a concept if it meets necessary conditions. He did away with that idea. He used the example of an activity of a 'game' to show that the concept of game is really a 'blurred concept.' There is not one thing in common to all situations in which games are occurring that allow us to say: (s)he is playing a game.

He talked about this because he wanted to expand upon his idea of how language works. There are 'language-games' that we 'play' and through this, the meaning of a word is used and thus comes to be known. These language games overlap through what he called a series of 'family resemblances.'

Most, of his 'blurred concepts' that he talked about had to do with activities/situations. Games, reading, being guided. All situations in which something is occurring.

Now, there is also a psychologist, Eleanor Rosch, who has taken this idea of family resemblances into her own work. In dealing with concept formation she came up with her 'prototype theory.' I'm pretty sure it  goes like this: Given a concept such as 'furniture' there is a 'prototypical member' of this concept which most people would think of. In this case, it is 'chair.' All other members that fall under this concept (that of: being furniture) are deemed to in fact fall under this concept by their similarity to the prototypical member--by the family resemblance they share with the prototypical member.

I do not know if 'furniture' is a blurred concept or not, I haven't thought about it enough. But regardless, it seems as if Rosch was applying very good ideas to concepts which are not obviously blurred, such as furniture.

Okay, so now throughout the past recent years I have seen words like 'derp' be used. Imo, this is a blatantly blurred concept--in respect to situations. If sociologists/psychologists do studies on these, it seems to me that they would not find a single prototypical member that falls under the blurred situational concept of 'derp.' Instead everyone would have their own unique prototypical situation. But, even though we all have our own prototypical situations in mind, they are all similar. That is what I am interested in, how they are "similar"  And someone could ask "well, similar how?"

To which I would ask them this: If I say to you "John Doe is the type of guy who would do X.." 
-What would you get from that? Literally all you get is that John Doe is a person who does X. Yet, what did the use of the words "the type of" do there? Why did I add that in that sentence? That sentence is meant for the listener to expand the situation whose center is John Doe doing X, to similar type situations. They don't need to be named, they are understood.

Internet phrases and words can expand on just how these situations are understood without being named, which I do not think previously has been looked into very much.

So the internet may not have changed what researches have been studying, no, but it sure does make what they are studying more obvious. It gives them a chance to clarify how concept formation works. If they look at the right aspects of the internet



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Re: favoritizm in post/poster [Re: TheMule73]
    #18633816 - 07/30/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I am talking about what I am talking about in this thread, kind of with the hopes of seeing others' opinions on their take on this. To see if what I am saying has at least the possibilty of being legit, or whether it is all nonsense


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Re: favoritizm in post/poster [Re: TheMule73]
    #18633878 - 07/30/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with your point that the internet can make processes of language evolution and the development of concepts much more visible and therefore easier to study. In a sense, the internet is a big, transcribed set of interviews, dialogues, speeches, meeting minutes and supporting documents of all kinds and they are even to some extent coded to boot. A qualitative researcher's wet dream.

No, you're not talking nonsense. I got the impression that you went for a 'the internet changed our entire society' sort of rant, but you're not. Sorry for having mistaken you!


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Re: favoritizm in post/poster [Re: koraks]
    #18634040 - 07/30/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

^ :cheers:


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