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ID: real pachanoi, or a mutt ?
    #16260351 - 05/20/12 09:58 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

this is up for auction at the moment, and it caught my eye

looks like a nice phatty pedro, like from south america

also, check out the spines


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Re: ID: real pachanoi, or a mutt ? [Re: islanduniverse]
    #16260990 - 05/21/12 12:11 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

nice find! im going to say its a mutt.
either way , buy it .


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Re: ID: real pachanoi, or a mutt ? [Re: islanduniverse]
    #16261198 - 05/21/12 01:31 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Looks succulent..

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Re: ID: real pachanoi, or a mutt ? [Re: atomicshaman]
    #16261238 - 05/21/12 01:47 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

That thing is a beast
I wouldn't like to call it a mutt from the pics you have but as atomic said I would buy it any way. I would think in better growing conditions it could change its appearance quite a lot. Defiantly worth spending a few bucks on a piece.

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Re: ID: real pachanoi, or a mutt ? [Re: islanduniverse]
    #16267533 - 05/22/12 12:20 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

MSSmith has referenced some long spine pachanois in his books and posts.  I couldnt tell you what exactly constitutes the difference from other spinier trichs...  but if there was ever one I suspected it's that one.

I'd buy that specimen up so fast....


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Re: ID: real pachanoi, or a mutt ? [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #16320393 - 06/02/12 01:35 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

this is available again

it looks very similar to the nice plants here: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15999732/page/1

but still the spines look bigger in the pic above




but wow.... makes ya think..


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Re: ID: real pachanoi, or a mutt ? [Re: atomicshaman]
    #18619571 - 07/27/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

def a real pachanoi... did u ever buy it... and what info did u get from it.....I have a monstrose exactly like this.... I rechon its a natural pach torch intermediate  any one else have any info on this plant


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Re: ID: real pachanoi, or a mutt ? [Re: tizoc4u]
    #18620613 - 07/27/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

This post comes year late like previous but still:

It seems fine san pedro cactus.

afaik t. pachanoi(san pedro) is cactus plant like in picture of your. San pedro can have central spines long but actual radial spines missing or they are very small, some "spineless" clones have spines but they are very small.

I have various t. pachanoi clones, one has randomly 1-2 central spine but nothing more, another clones have not actual spines.. They have like 5mm small spines but I consider them as totally spineless.

There is lots of different t. pachanoi cactus and I think cactus in the picture is one of them cause it missing the radial spines and have only one spine per aerole. I don't claim it defines san pedro bu some clones of t. pachanoi have central spine or two and older parts they are probably just drop away.

I don't see that amount of spines defines cactus away from t. pachanoi, some san pedro have small amount of central spines without actual radial spines and it just depends what clone you have.

As I said I have one san pedro making central spine randomly and one doesn't make good spines. I would be doubt if the cactus is san pedro if there is larger radial spines around the aerole.

Compare your pics to another trichos I would be say it's pachanoi or some F1 t. pachanoi hybridization but not far away from real san pedro cactus at all that it's "pure hybrid" ..cactus is not impossible to ID and I think it's t. pachanoi or F1 breed t. pachanoi seed grown cactus.

What makes you think it's not "real" pachanoi and what is your understanding of "real" t. pachanoi? These spines are actually quite typical for t. pachanoi or close relative of it what can be say it's t. pachanoi still. Every seed if grown to adult comes different cactus someway or another, like us humans, we have our own features and metabolism even we are same species but not identical to each other.

Best is to ask person who sell the cactus what it is if that person knows. If cactus is sold as san pedro, it's san pedro then.
I can confuse your more giving ten question to one simple question but just keep it simple and consider the cactus as san pedro or F1 seed grown t. pachanoi

It is nice cactus tho. I would not think twice to add that specimen cutting to my collection. :thumbup:

I don't know so much USA markets and common "PC Pachanoi" around USA but if I am understand right ain't that PC Pachanoi are cactus without this kind of nice central spines?:tongue:


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Re: ID: real pachanoi, or a mutt ? [Re: islanduniverse]
    #18621251 - 07/27/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Looks like a real pachanoid to me. Would need some more higher resolution pictures of more parts of the plant. Get yourself a cutting, it's a pretty one.


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Re: ID: real pachanoi, or a mutt ? [Re: karode13]
    #18621574 - 07/27/13 10:34 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I have one exactly like this and its growth changes it throws sets or 3 to 4 spines, then on top maybe one central spine

  heres a pic


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Re: ID: real pachanoi, or a mutt ? [Re: tizoc4u]
    #18621584 - 07/27/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: ID: real pachanoi, or a mutt ? [Re: tizoc4u]
    #18622040 - 07/28/13 12:54 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe pachanoi x bridgesii?:shrug:


Maybe it's mutated specimen, frist pictures doesn't tell so much but ain't that some kind of "melted wax" mutation san pedro?

I was think about that 4 spine thing and cross my mind that one good cactus website tells very nice amount of information and there are said bridgesii has typically 0-4 spines and one of them are radial spine. I don't know can I say the actual site there but it doesn't matter.. F1 strains from parent plant never going to be very dramatically different..

Or is this "melted wax" -type clone has been around there long time? Maybe someone can know where it has been originally buy'd?

I would buy or trying to get anyway cuttings still from that cactus if it has that form. :sunny:

Am I sure that is the one called "melted wax"?

Just remind that I have crested san pedro cactus, it made originally looking offshoot and now it starts to turn back in to crest, maybe there is nice piece of cuttnig even I want to keep it attached to actual plant.:yesnod:

Maybe this base offshoot starts to go mutated later?


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Re: ID: real pachanoi, or a mutt ? [Re: islanduniverse]
    #18622647 - 07/28/13 06:41 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Looks to me a lot like one of the more potent pachanoi I've had. I guess ID's are always debatable, but that's what it looks like to me. Some of those S American pachanoi have a distinctly different look from the common ones that were exported.


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Re: ID: real pachanoi, or a mutt ? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18623175 - 07/28/13 10:01 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

well im not really looking for an id the original postr was  I happen to know were this cutting comes from... the Huntington library has this exact clone, and its a pachanoi  monstrose intermediate from peru or Ecuador., not a hybrid. a hybrid is a deliberate cross...and a intermediate is practically a natural occurring cross.  this particular clone grows crest and the spinage varies... it swithches growing patterns....I posted that this was anything but a cross...Huntington has the actuall collecting site data... trout has been more than interested in some pollen from her IF it flowers....


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Re: ID: real pachanoi, or a mutt ? [Re: tizoc4u]
    #18623446 - 07/28/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

i need to go back there

i havent been simce before i became a cactus head


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Re: ID: real pachanoi, or a mutt ? [Re: islanduniverse]
    #18623504 - 07/28/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

did u ever buy it, and what state was this cactus in????


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Re: ID: real pachanoi, or a mutt ? [Re: tizoc4u]
    #18623567 - 07/28/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

i did not buy it, and i do not recall where it was being sold


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Re: ID: real pachanoi, or a mutt ? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18624740 - 07/28/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Looks to me a lot like one of the more potent pachanoi I've had. I guess ID's are always debatable, but that's what it looks like to me. Some of those S American pachanoi have a distinctly different look from the common ones that were exported.




Almost every south american trichos are potent, culture at andes with trichocereus cactus are based mostly for growing them cause of potency and use for medicine. I don't claim every tricho is super potent but I doubt they are not grow inactive trichocereus plants for sacramental use so if there are come some plants for ornamental use around the world, they are probably potent someway or another.

I have actually experienced one san pedro with long center spines, not most potent one but can felt the magic for sure. Someone still buy these south american grown cuttings for ornamental use around the world and I think the people there has collected the good ones for cuttings and don't see reason to even grow the as decoration. Also some weird way mescaline containing ornaments are more demanded than inactive clones.

I am not 100% sure but quite sure that every tricho exported from south america around the world has the potential cause the plant is for them sacrament and inactive ones are not worth of anything than just cactus in the mountains so most cloned one san pedros are usually most potent ones compared to EU and USA market of trichos. However, seeds from south america can be anything, cuttings are totally different thing if they are imported from south america.
Ofc they are all native to south america but now days I can say every south american cutting are potential one, I don't think they waste time and money to grow inactive plants and sell them over seas. But it's true that there are lots of different looking san pedros with potential.

Some shamans can have clones what is has not been ever in western world cactus enthusiast gardens and who know how potent cuttings they collect for their gardens. :awesome:

I have heard only south american seed grown trichos can be weak ones. Never heard they grow weak mescaline content cuttings there for exporting them or use as sacrament. Ofc they are exporting the trichos as well as use they do but why not export and grow the mescaline containing plants rather than finding inactive cactus for export?:lol:


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