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HPPD or Schizophrenia?
#18374021 - 06/05/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Recently after smoking weed for a couple days in a row i've noticed that when i look at the corner where the ceiling and walls meet it looks like its coming out instead of going in if that makes sense. I had not experienced this from weed prior to tripping, though never noticed this while tripping. I saw a video where they said you are schizophrenic if you had that effect (accept they did it with a mask). I believe this to be a visual misinterpretation which a schizophrenic would not, and my other hppd symptoms have mostly cleared up. (i heavily used mdma,lsd, and shrooms as well as weed last semester) just wondering if this is experienced by any of yall with hppd. Also on a side note I REALLY don't want to give up tripping but am willing to cut way back is it okay to occasionally trip shrooms if you have mild hppd? (never had any hppd symptoms from shrooms, really started after heavy acid and mdma use)
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You've got to be kidding? No offense but a chronically bored person will experience such a thing. HPPD and schizophrenia are a whole other class of symptoms...
Schizophrenia does have a curious and discomforting breakdown of the nature of your thinking; the relationship of what you feel and behave like to what you are thinking is sometimes horribly contorted, it's a kind of nauseating and anxiety generating confusion where functioning is impossible and one is adrift painfully through monotonous perceptions. If there is a particular emotional weight to what you're describing on the wall section, then you might be rational to think it's seemingly psychotic because then you would have a completely unrelated feeling with a thought/perception, but it's more likely you're really bored?
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Re: HPPD or Schizophrenia? [Re: circastes]
#18377424 - 06/06/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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This probably isn't schizophrenia, especially if you really took those and this is your only symptom. If you really are experiencing schizophrenia or a schizoaffective disorder, you'll know it eventually; the physical sensations in your head will be unmistakeable, completely unique, and persisting to a nearly debilitating degree. At that point, be very careful; from my experiences, even a small, small dose of weed can trigger worse symptoms.
I used to have something similar to what you're experiencing and I didn't think it was serious (looking at a ceiling or floor would cause the images to get twisted and distorted), it turned out to be symptoms of an underlying disorder similar to schizoaffective disorder, but for me that started way before I indulged in any drugs.
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Re: HPPD or Schizophrenia? [Re: circastes]
#18379267 - 06/06/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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No I definitely have hppd including static to a blinding degree at night, floaters to the point it looked like flies shooting across the room, general warping, moving patterns, after images, tracers, color distortion as well as shifting. Most of this has subsided though still present. This particular visual phenomena is best described as the corner in my room looking more like a pyramid coming out at me, the exact opposite of how it should look. Similarly if i look in a cup it appears as if the bottom of the cup is the top. Also i've had a very physical and immensely unpleasant shifting feeling in my brain when I smoked too much after an acid trip, however that was months ago. The reason I ask if this may be symptomatic of schizophrenia is because i have never experienced this visual from psychedelics its always from weed and usually goes away in a couple days of abstinence (which is painful lol) and never had this phenomena before i started psychedelics. Ps why the fuck would I be kidding? I asked because i don't want to stop doing drugs, but also don't want to end up institutionalized and if this is a sign to stop I want to know. I value the functionality of my brain. I'm done justifying myself either answer the questions or step off.
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That shifting feeling in your head sounds like the unique sensation I was talking about that ended up being schizoaffective disorder for me. Trust me, nothing is worth ending up with the full blown disorder; I personally would stop immediately if I were you.
I'm not a doctor tho so take this how you will.
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Re: HPPD or Schizophrenia? [Re: Rigby_M] 1
#18382901 - 06/07/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Any family history of mental illness?
If it's making you uncomfortable, I'd stop. It's not worth the risk.
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Re: HPPD or Schizophrenia? [Re: daz01]
#18383078 - 06/07/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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You need to research the mask test again because you are confused. The mask is inside out but a normal person can't tell if its facing the correctly or hollow. Schitzo people can see the truth behind the illusion.
Your not schitzo I would say but as far as HPPD goes tripping will agrevate it. You gotta ask yourself how severe of a case you are willing to tolerate in your life.
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Re: HPPD or Schizophrenia? [Re: Rigby_M]
#18384534 - 06/07/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Rigby_M said: That shifting feeling in your head sounds like the unique sensation I was talking about that ended up being schizoaffective disorder for me. Trust me, nothing is worth ending up with the full blown disorder; I personally would stop immediately if I were you.
I'm not a doctor tho so take this how you will.
Have you completely stopped using drugs? Btw I have recently started using 5 htp for the mdma damage, could that potentially worsen things like hppd?
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That mask illusion is dumb.
HEY OP DO YOU HEAR VOICES THAT AREN'T THERE? THAT MIGHT MEAN YOU HAVE SCHIZOPHRENIA.
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Re: HPPD or Schizophrenia? [Re: Konyap] 1
#18386441 - 06/08/13 03:31 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well you probably aren't going to want to hear this but I developed psychosis (The label of psychosis is given if you have psychotic symptoms but you haven't been given a diagonsis yet. Some people have psychotic bipolar, psychotic depression, schziophrenia, schzio-affective bi-polar, drug induced psychosis and a bunch of other disorders that I won't bother to mention.) last summer in autumn and the first thing I noticed something was wrong when I developed HPPD from excessive mushroom use, earlier in the year. Next thing after that was i noticed that my trips lasted several more hours then they should of.
My advice for you is two-fold:
A) Go to sleep every day. Have regular sleep patterns. If you have insomnia or start developing insomnia take melatonin, kava kava or a get a prescription for a benzo(be super careful with benzos). Exercise every day. Avoid caffeine and alcohol. Go to bed at the same time every night and wake up at the same time every day.
B) Research your family history to find out if you have much family history for mental illness.
One final thought: Not everyone who develops HPPD will develop psychosis but HPPD can get pretty Fucked-up if you ignore it and keep doing drugs.
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Also I think I should mention that I was tripping 2-3 times within a week once a monthish (basically just tripping the week I picked up) and at the end of the year me and some friends rolled like 5 times in 2 weeks (pure mdma not pressies or powder, rocks that were tested) so i know I was abusing.My symptoms seem to have gone away over the last 2 days atm the only symptoms I have are static and when i smoke things get very uncomfortable. Do yall think I fucked my head up or if I abstain for a couple months and only use in extreme moderation i'd be okay?
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MushroomMagic said: Also I think I should mention that I was tripping 2-3 times within a week once a monthish (basically just tripping the week I picked up) and at the end of the year me and some friends rolled like 5 times in 2 weeks (pure mdma not pressies or powder, rocks that were tested) so i know I was abusing. Atm my symptoms seem to have cleared up except static and when i smoke things get very uncomfortable. Do yall think I fucked my head up or if I abstain for a couple months and only use in extreme moderation id be okay?
Look dude. Your an adult now. What goes on inside your head is between you and God. I suggest you quit asking others how sane you are. Go ask certain people....and they will tell you how sane you ARNT....putting you on all types of pills that can fuck with your mind and liver worse than anything you have taken.
Only you know what is going on inside your head. Like I said you are an adult. If you are telling _______ is fucking with your head what do you think you should stop doing? I have HPPD....REAL hppd...im not talking about some mild visual snow over your eyes. There majority of dags when I look out into the world and it is literally like I am on half a hit of acid. When in stressed I have to be careful because I can get pushed into a full blown flashback. Despite this I am a sane human....while its scary I have been able to keep my feet on the ground and refrain from full blown psychosis. I've been able to do this by listening to my body....using common sense....and prayer.
Like I said you are the one who gets to decide how sane you are. You also have tremendous amount of pull when it comes to your own mental health. I have a family history of mental illness too. Its bullshit I have decided when it comes to the workings of my own mind. I will decide how sane or insane I am and you will ultimately do the same. Grab the reigns of your mind or someone else will. And stop letting others decide what's wrong with you. Its in the nature of these drugs to have some weird side effects. If you arnt prepared to deal with the consequences then stop taking them. You are the one who will be stuck in your mind and body until you die.....start acting like it.
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Re: HPPD or Schizophrenia? [Re: Relajarse]
#18386892 - 06/08/13 08:32 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thank you that is really good advice. Btw how long can flashbacks last?
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MushroomMagic said: Recently after smoking weed for a couple days in a row i've noticed that when i look at the corner where the ceiling and walls meet it looks like its coming out instead of going in if that makes sense. I had not experienced this from weed prior to tripping, though never noticed this while tripping. I saw a video where they said you are schizophrenic if you had that effect (accept they did it with a mask). I believe this to be a visual misinterpretation which a schizophrenic would not, and my other hppd symptoms have mostly cleared up. (i heavily used mdma,lsd, and shrooms as well as weed last semester) just wondering if this is experienced by any of yall with hppd. Also on a side note I REALLY don't want to give up tripping but am willing to cut way back is it okay to occasionally trip shrooms if you have mild hppd? (never had any hppd symptoms from shrooms, really started after heavy acid and mdma use)
I get hppd symptoms after both lsd and shrooms just a bit more after lsd, and even more after 2cX (that I once got sold as LSD)
Weed potentiates the symptoms, they're hardly noticeable if I don't smoke weed if I smoke weed they can get more intense the next days/weeks/months but while smoking it is pretty cool, gives the weed a high a new trippy effect(things move like in the trips)
I don't smoke weed very often anymore
If you start talking to yourself all the time you might have schizophrenia ;-) but what you say doesn't sound like it at all, more like HPPD anxiety is pretty common after weed/psychedelics too (since they amplify emotions)
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Re: HPPD or Schizophrenia? [Re: lessismore]
#18623041 - 07/28/13 09:04 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Got back from the optometrist and they found lumps on my optic nerve guess Its probably something else entirely thanks for the replies anyway!!
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