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velho



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Possible Panaeolus Cinctulus / Finland
#18608043 - 07/25/13 03:20 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Greetings from Finland, fellow shroomers! So the other day after almost a week of rain and a couple days of sunshine we went to check our vegetable garden with missus and found these things on a horse dung / soil mixture.
Stems bruised darker instantly as I picked them and they were hollow. Caps were already a bit sundried so there was no fancy looking rings of drying on the cap. Spore print came out black on all of them (the small ones didn't print out too good. I should've put a glass over them but anyway they dropped black spores).






I was so mesmerized about this mushroom and forgot I have a thumb. 




So, what do you think?
Edited by velho (07/25/13 03:28 AM)
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Re: Possible Panaeolus Cinctulus / Finland [Re: velho]
#18608097 - 07/25/13 03:48 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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could be P. cinctulus if they are jet black spores and not brownish.
Wait for a TI
Edited by Signeg (07/25/13 03:34 PM)
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Re: Possible Panaeolus Cinctulus / Finland [Re: Signeg]
#18608127 - 07/25/13 04:03 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Panaeolus of some sort...
Could be cinctulus, could be something more interesting.
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velho



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Re: Possible Panaeolus Cinctulus / Finland [Re: Signeg]
#18608242 - 07/25/13 05:14 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Signeg said: Maybe Panaeolus foenisecii, could be P. cinctulus if they are jet black spores and not brownish.
Wait for a TI
I found also foes (and some pan-looking-psathyrellas fruiting on a grass next to our horse dung pile and the difference was obvious when I put them next to these and these feel sturdier in every way. I don't have a fancy camera but as I'm holding the prints in my hand at the moment, they look pretty dark compared to the foes I've printed last year.
But waiting for a TI. I'm in a no hurry.
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Re: Possible Panaeolus Cinctulus / Finland [Re: velho]
#18608371 - 07/25/13 06:34 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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velho said:

Looks quite like P. cinctulus to me, mostly because of the reddish stem. The darker band around the cap is usually quite evanescent ime. Perhaps you should forage in some horse farms and check for the dung-heap variety.
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Re: Possible Panaeolus Cinctulus / Finland [Re: Anglerfish]
#18608803 - 07/25/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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the small one in the third pic looks really cinct to me, yours a bigger and darker to what im use to finding though
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Re: Possible Panaeolus Cinctulus / Finland [Re: hidenseek1]
#18609003 - 07/25/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Undoubtedly Panaeolus cinctulus due to the macroscopic characteristics, jet black spore print, and habitat. They look very healthy. I would also recommend checking local pastures, although because this is in a garden habitat they may be much bigger than ones you will find in a pasture, but who knows. All the "scandinavian" cincts i've seen look so gorgeous.
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Re: Possible Panaeolus Cinctulus / Finland [Re: Hashfinger]
#18609033 - 07/25/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hashfinger said: Undoubtedly Panaeolus cinctulus due to the macroscopic characteristics, jet black spore print, and habitat. They look very healthy. I would also recommend checking local pastures, although because this is in a garden habitat they may be much bigger than ones you will find in a pasture, but who knows. All the "scandinavian" cincts i've seen look so gorgeous.
Why couldn't it be Panaeolus fimicola?
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Re: Possible Panaeolus Cinctulus / Finland [Re: Joust]
#18609051 - 07/25/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Joust said:
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Hashfinger said: Undoubtedly Panaeolus cinctulus due to the macroscopic characteristics, jet black spore print, and habitat. They look very healthy. I would also recommend checking local pastures, although because this is in a garden habitat they may be much bigger than ones you will find in a pasture, but who knows. All the "scandinavian" cincts i've seen look so gorgeous.
Why couldn't it be Panaeolus fimicola?
Idk i guess the band on the cap is so well defined which screams cinctulus. I don't know how much the stems would compare between cinctulus/fimicola but that'd be something to look at as well. Also, habitat. He said this was a composted dung mix in the garden. I thought fimicola was more of a grass/turf-lover. Dunno though! Who wants to scope it!?
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Re: Possible Panaeolus Cinctulus / Finland [Re: Hashfinger]
#18609385 - 07/25/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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winters does!
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Re: Possible Panaeolus Cinctulus / Finland [Re: Joust]
#18609402 - 07/25/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Joust said: winters does!
I want to find out what these are... NOW! I've been researching fimicola and now i'm on the fence...
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Re: Possible Panaeolus Cinctulus / Finland [Re: Hashfinger]
#18609548 - 07/25/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Found a few smaller ones today and they definately have something in common with the earlier ones. Found a couple promising pins too.  Wish I had a microscope or access to one. Not that I understand anything about that area heh.
I compared the mushrooms to some Panaeolus fimicola pictures on the internet and there's just something that tells me it's not them?
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Re: Possible Panaeolus Cinctulus / Finland [Re: velho]
#18609618 - 07/25/13 01:01 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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velho said: Found a few smaller ones today and they definately have something in common with the earlier ones. Found a couple promising pins too.  Wish I had a microscope or access to one. Not that I understand anything about that area heh.
I compared the mushrooms to some Panaeolus fimicola pictures on the internet and there's just something that tells me it's not them?
I'd like to see more pics. Do the newer specimens have the distinct darker band around the cap margin? Also, did any of the caps crack and split as they matured/dried? You should let one grow all the way out so you can observe its late stages of growth.
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Re: Possible Panaeolus Cinctulus / Finland [Re: Hashfinger]
#18613085 - 07/26/13 01:34 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hashfinger said: I'd like to see more pics. Do the newer specimens have the distinct darker band around the cap margin? Also, did any of the caps crack and split as they matured/dried? You should let one grow all the way out so you can observe its late stages of growth.
It's been sunny and hot in here for a couple of days so the new ones were pretty dried out and there wasn't really a visible band. Gills, stem, funky shape and the texture of the cap matched with the earlier ones tho. Unfortunately I was in a hurry and didn't take photos of the newer specimens and when I had the time, they were already cracker dry. Prints came out black.
These mushrooms dried out nicely and didn't really crack'n'split. The caps seem so surprisingly sturdy even in smaller specimens and you could easily handle them rough without the fear of ending up with a pile of mushroom crumbs.
Checking the "source pile" of the composted dung mix this weekend and hoping to get some more photos of these in their natural habitat.
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Re: Possible Panaeolus Cinctulus / Finland [Re: velho]
#18613693 - 07/26/13 08:33 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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velho said:
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Hashfinger said: I'd like to see more pics. Do the newer specimens have the distinct darker band around the cap margin? Also, did any of the caps crack and split as they matured/dried? You should let one grow all the way out so you can observe its late stages of growth.
It's been sunny and hot in here for a couple of days so the new ones were pretty dried out and there wasn't really a visible band. Gills, stem, funky shape and the texture of the cap matched with the earlier ones tho. Unfortunately I was in a hurry and didn't take photos of the newer specimens and when I had the time, they were already cracker dry. Prints came out black.
These mushrooms dried out nicely and didn't really crack'n'split. The caps seem so surprisingly sturdy even in smaller specimens and you could easily handle them rough without the fear of ending up with a pile of mushroom crumbs.
Checking the "source pile" of the composted dung mix this weekend and hoping to get some more photos of these in their natural habitat. 
The "type pile" if it is a new species. Lol.
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Re: Possible Panaeolus Cinctulus / Finland [Re: Hashfinger]
#18614313 - 07/26/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Terve!
It's Panaeolus cinctulus.
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Re: Possible Panaeolus Cinctulus / Finland [Re: knarkkorven]
#18614340 - 07/26/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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knarkkorven said: Terve!
It's Panaeolus cinctulus.
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Re: Possible Panaeolus Cinctulus / Finland [Re: knarkkorven]
#18622810 - 07/28/13 07:39 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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knarkkorven said: Terve!
It's Panaeolus cinctulus.
Hej!
Cheers, I'm getting confident too. Gives me hopefully something to do before the liberty cap season. 
Seems that the heatwave hit here pretty hard and no rain to be expected almost for a week. Hopefully more to come.
Edited by velho (10/05/20 02:29 AM)
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