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Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking
    #18622361 - 07/28/13 04:28 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

What a surprise that , yet again, the few fuck it up for the many.

Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking

Less than a year after Washington state residents voted to decriminalize possession of up to one ounce of marijuana, some residents of the state's largest city want its public use outlawed in their town.

Q13Fox.com reports that despite the fact that the new state law prohibits toking in public, pot smokers have been puffing away all over Seattle, and it's making life difficult for a lot of non-users.

"It’s definitely out of control," said bus driver Kalu Davis, who told Q13Fox.com that he sees people smoking pot every day at bus shelters.

"They blow it right into my face, and, because of that, I get light-headed. At that point I then have to stop the bus. I can't continue any further because I'm inebriated from the secondhand smoke."

Seattle City Attorney Peter Holmes helped sponsor the decriminalization law last year. Now, he's pushing a city ordinance that would make it illegal to light up outdoors, under penalty of a $103 fine.

"It's important that, while we celebrate the incredible shift that Washington voters put into law last November, we stay sober-minded about this," said Holmes, who added "This is about regulating marijuana, it's not about turning this into the Wild, Wild West,"


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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18622402 - 07/28/13 04:58 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

"I'm inebriated from the secondhand smoke."

This is utterly bizarre; I've been to massive 4:20 gatherings before I even smoked weed and have not had any effect at all from the smoke. The sober people who were there did not have any effect from the smoke either.

How about simply fining people who smoke around bus shelters? It is ridiculous to ban outdoor smoking all over the city. Consider the gas exhaust from all the cars: much more harmful.
Smoke dissipates in the air; there is no reason why people shouldn't be able to toke in most places; they should just keep certain specific areas (bus shelters, the smoke-free restaurants and patios, public buildings) smoke free.


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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: Freedreamer] * 3
    #18622455 - 07/28/13 05:38 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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the new state law prohibits toking in public



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Now, he's pushing a city ordinance that would make it illegal to light up outdoors




"Let's make something that's illegal, illegal!"
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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: Heffy]
    #18622655 - 07/28/13 06:43 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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"Let's make something that's illegal, illegal!"




There is a recent example in The Netherlands where proposed legislation was indeed dismissed because of this problem. In the end, a state of legal limbo doesn't really work.

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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18622841 - 07/28/13 07:46 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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"They blow it right into my face, and, because of that, I get light-headed. At that point I then have to stop the bus. I can't continue any further because I'm inebriated from the secondhand smoke."




What a liar.

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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: Liverwort]
    #18622902 - 07/28/13 08:02 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Why? I've known fully grown adults that get high off of secondhand smoke.

I also know shit-for-brains that would find it funny to blow pot smoke in other peoples faces.


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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18622918 - 07/28/13 08:07 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Why? I've known fully grown adults that get high off of secondhand smoke.




No, you haven't. They might have gotten high off placebo though.

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I also know shit-for-brains that would find it funny to blow pot smoke in other peoples faces.




maybe like 1 in every 1000 people. It's definitely not going to happen frequently among strangers at bus stops.

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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: Liverwort]
    #18622983 - 07/28/13 08:39 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

They are in no way inhaling it enough to get high, and if they did I can only imagine they have had the worst COPD and on a chance of a good day they take that breath of a life time and hold it in.

750ug is the baseline dose for effects, smoke in in the air after being hit therefore its diluted in the air. You have to get that shit and hold it in

In FL people smoke at bus stops all the time and no one other than the smokers get high.


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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: Rexter]
    #18623020 - 07/28/13 08:56 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I agree. This guy is full of shit & the media is doing shitty so lets spice things up.


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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: Liverwort]
    #18623067 - 07/28/13 09:16 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Why? I've known fully grown adults that get high off of secondhand smoke.




No, you haven't. They might have gotten high off placebo though.

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I also know shit-for-brains that would find it funny to blow pot smoke in other peoples faces.




maybe like 1 in every 1000 people. It's definitely not going to happen frequently among strangers at bus stops.





When their eyes are beet red, and the signs are clear... bullshit. Just because you may have never met someone doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Yes, it is infrequent, but assholes are everywhere.


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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18623070 - 07/28/13 09:17 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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I also know shit-for-brains that would find it funny to blow pot smoke in other peoples faces.




And there are also people who get drunk and piss/shit/puke on the bus; there are just morons and assholes everywhere.  Taking the actions of these few people as the actions of an entire group is similar to saying "Black people are good at basketball."


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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: illuminati]
    #18623098 - 07/28/13 09:28 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Taking the actions of these few people as the actions of an entire group is similar to saying "Black people are good at basketball."




Then it's a good thing that claim wasn't made here.


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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18623100 - 07/28/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: Rexter]
    #18623119 - 07/28/13 09:37 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I've been around the Seattle area my whole life and I don't smell the stuff anymore than I did 3 years ago. People have always smoked weed in Seattle...they're just using I-502 as an excuse to complain more. I see more people shooting up heroin than I see lighting a joint :lol: but nobody complains about that.

I know I'm biased as a pot smoker but cigarettes bother me a hell of a lot more than weed smoke...

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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18623345 - 07/28/13 10:50 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Sure, that claim may not have been made directly, but that sure seemed to be where it was going.  I'm betting one person blew smoke somewhere near this bus driver, he got all pissed off, stopped the bus because he was "high" and suddenly it's "they" (pot smokers) blow smoke in my face.  The way it's worded makes it sound like a regular thing. 

I highly doubt this guy has people doing this more than once in a blue moon.  If he's actually getting high from second hand weed smoke, it's because he's trying to get high from it.

More to the point though, I don't think these people should just be lighting up anywhere.  We have designated areas for alcohol use, and in many places tobacco as well.  If we're going to have legal recreational marijuana, we should probably try to be mature and responsible about it.


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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: illuminati]
    #18623719 - 07/28/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Sure, that claim may not have been made directly, but that sure seemed to be where it was going.  I'm betting one person blew smoke somewhere near this bus driver, he got all pissed off, stopped the bus because he was "high" and suddenly it's "they" (pot smokers) blow smoke in my face.  The way it's worded makes it sound like a regular thing. 

I highly doubt this guy has people doing this more than once in a blue moon.  If he's actually getting high from second hand weed smoke, it's because he's trying to get high from it.

More to the point though, I don't think these people should just be lighting up anywhere.  We have designated areas for alcohol use, and in many places tobacco as well.  If we're going to have legal recreational marijuana, we should probably try to be mature and responsible about it.




Exactly. People who think marijuana is a magical plant with no ill effects are as if not more ridiculous than those who equate it with meth. People should be mature and laws should be evidence based. Also, maybe some of you who think it is "impossible" to get high from second hand smoke aren't taking into account tolerances when you cite personal experience...

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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: Soviet Data]
    #18623746 - 07/28/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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maybe some of you who think it is "impossible" to get high from second hand smoke aren't taking into account tolerances when you cite personal experience...



Absolutely. The potency of second hand marijuana smoke is also dependent upon how long the smoke has been in someone's lungs. If people are lighting up joints, the 2ndhand is full-strength coming off the end of the joint. Have you ever blown smoke into an animal's face? They definitely get high.


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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: mylfgur]
    #18624236 - 07/28/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Animals are 1/10th the size of humans also on occasion...


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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: Rexter]
    #18624472 - 07/28/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Animals are 1/10th the size of humans also on occasion...



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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: mylfgur] * 1
    #18624488 - 07/28/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: Liverwort]
    #18625116 - 07/28/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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"They blow it right into my face, and, because of that, I get light-headed. At that point I then have to stop the bus. I can't continue any further because I'm inebriated from the secondhand smoke."




What a liar.



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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: NWlight]
    #18625141 - 07/28/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Same thing could be said if the bus driver had asthma and a gust of wind blows cigarette smoke into the bus from smokers in the station. Bottom line is still no smoking anything period in the station. Is that too hard to follow? This is just unnecessary drama.

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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: blitzd]
    #18625145 - 07/28/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I should've said that I don't think people should be toking up in public, i mean damn there are kids around.  But that lady is clearly exaggerating


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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: NWlight]
    #18625156 - 07/28/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah she is. I mean if she had asthma she would probably be like "omg imma need this bus air out for 5 mins!"

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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: blitzd]
    #18625746 - 07/28/13 08:37 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

She's a he.


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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: SCleROTiUM_LICK]
    #18626030 - 07/28/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Anywhere you can smoke a cig you should be able to smoke a joint. If your kids get pot smoke blown in their direction you get all mad. Can I get mad your SUV poisons my kids air?
If you want to stop public smoking give tokers coffee shops. Or don't complain I am toking in the park. Even a nice patio to toke. I watched public toking drop significantly when they opened bring your own weed cafes in Toronto.

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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: illuminati]
    #18626162 - 07/28/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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I also know shit-for-brains that would find it funny to blow pot smoke in other peoples faces.




And there are also people who get drunk and piss/shit/puke on the bus; there are just morons and assholes everywhere.  Taking the actions of these few people as the actions of an entire group is similar to saying "Black people are good at basketball."





i mean really HOW MEDIEVAL do we need to get with this?  is it really any more obtrusive than public cigar smoking??? NO IT IS NOT

but still- shit for brains people make it hard for the rest of us respectful ones who might enjoy an outdoor toke or three at the beach or the park or the top of the empire state building or whatever.  So FUCK the haters.  Smoking section is the smoking section.  dammit


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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: Liverwort]
    #18629913 - 07/29/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Why? I've known fully grown adults that get high off of secondhand smoke.




No, you haven't. They might have gotten high off placebo though.

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I also know shit-for-brains that would find it funny to blow pot smoke in other peoples faces.




maybe like 1 in every 1000 people. It's definitely not going to happen frequently among strangers at bus stops.






i stopped smoking weed a couple years ago, now i dont even like being around the smell of pot, i dont get like, i just smoked a joint to my face high, but i definitely dont feel 100% baseline either

one time back when i did smoke weed we went through a drive-thru for mcdonalds or some shitty burger joint, with a lit joint

and i was all like  :omgz: we cant smoke in the drive thru, and the driver was like, why not, just blow the smoke in the guys face

soo, i have to disagree on both counts on your argument


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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: my3rdeye]
    #18629938 - 07/29/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Anywhere you can smoke a cig you should be able to smoke a joint. If your kids get pot smoke blown in their direction you get all mad. Can I get mad your SUV poisons my kids air?
If you want to stop public smoking give tokers coffee shops. Or don't complain I am toking in the park. Even a nice patio to toke. I watched public toking drop significantly when they opened bring your own weed cafes in Toronto.





i agree that you should be able to smoke pot anywhere a cigg can be smoked, short term the pot would bother me more, but long term deff the ciggs are worse

cept a large amount of highschool kids that cant get into the vape cafes smoking the shit in every corner, ally, park , stairwell, etc


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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: hidenseek1]
    #18629975 - 07/29/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I would argue that you feeling a little off baseline is just due to your mental association between smoking weed and getting high.  I imagine if you had smoked weed for a long time then stopped, when you're around it, you're brain probably goes, "I'm going to be high any second here."

I'm pretty sure the US Military did a study on the whole "contact high" thing, and determined in order to fail a drug test, you'd essentially have to be hot boxing a small area for quite a while. 

As some anecdotal evidence - when I was on probation, I didn't smoke for over 2 years; when I got off, I wanted to test whether you could get high off second hand smoke.  I had my girlfriend blow hits directly into my mouth, and after 3 hits and waiting a few minutes, I was definitely not high, gave up on that experiment, and smoked a fat ass blunt.

http://mobiledrugtestinglongisland.wordpress.com/2012/04/23/can-secondhand-smoke-cause-a-positive-drug-test-for-marijuana/

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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: illuminati]
    #18630446 - 07/29/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

A military Med officer said. Hotboxing from FL to Cali with crip and AC on recycle. Seems like a bit of smoke.

Also, what if the MJ smoke help skin and inflammation second hand. I'm doing the world a favor really...


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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: Rexter]
    #18631167 - 07/29/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I can see how public pot-smoking could be a nuisance in certain context.  It is probably difficult to see this if you use the drug yourself and/or do not mind the smell/smoke at all.


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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: Society]
    #18631201 - 07/29/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Make anything & everything illegal if it seems inconvienient in public where there is no form of expected privacy.

or

Stop crying about the smell of weed smoke & not of 1 billion other annoying tiff's that one may have against another.

mind yer feelins folks!


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Re: Seattle residents, city attorney push to outlaw public pot smoking [Re: hidenseek1]
    #18631285 - 07/29/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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hidenseek1 said:


i dont get like, i just smoked a joint to my face high, but i definitely dont feel 100% baseline either





Like I said, placebo effect.

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hidenseek1 said:
and the driver was like, why not, just blow the smoke in the guys face





Do you think he might have been exaggerating for effect to emphasize the fact that he didn't see smoking in the car as an issue?

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