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InvisibleGilgamesh18
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Colorado Springs bans retail marijuana sales
    #18604032 - 07/24/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

A stunned crowd sat silent for a moment Tuesday after the 5-4 vote to ban retail marijuana sales in Colorado Springs was read into the record.

"The city has opted out," Council President Keith King said at the city council meeting, which was packed with people who testified during a nearly two-hour public hearing.

About 50 proponents of retail sales stormed out, with someone angrily yelling, "I hope you're happy."

The decision came down to council member Val Snider, who was the swing vote to ban retail marijuana sales in the city - a surprise to proponents of Amendment 64. Snider had kept his views on the issue close to the vest over the past months and during recent public hearings.

Snider, an at-large city council member, said he could not reconcile the conflict of allowing retail pot sales with federal law, which lists marijuana as a Schedule 1 controlled substance. He also said allowing pot to be sold over the counter would send the wrong message to youth.

"Bottom line, I'm not convinced we need to make it more accessible," he said.

Colorado voters in November approved Amendment 64, which allows adults over 21 to possess one ounce of marijuana for recreational use. The law also allows stores to sell marijuana and other products made with marijuana, with a city's approval. Already more than 20 Colorado cities and towns - including Woodland Park, Green Mountain Falls and Castle Rock - have opted not to allow such sales.

There was plenty of pressure on Colorado Springs from both sides on the issue.

In recent months, the Council heard from members of the Regional Business Alliance, retired military generals, school superintendents, leaders from the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs and representatives from the Colorado Springs Convention and Visitors Bureau - all who urged the council to ban retail marijuana sales.

Mayor Steve Bach, who had promised to veto any ordinance that would have allowed retail marijuana sales, spoke to the council Tuesday and said he believed marijuana sales would be a job-killer. He left before a vote was taken.

Council members Jan Martin and Jill Gaebler disagreed with Bach, saying retail marijuana stores would create jobs.

"We want to bring economic development to this city - we can do that by having a vibrant downtown," Gaebler said. "The younger generation has a vision of what the city should look like. We can do something different and special."

Martin said she could not imagine making a decision that went against the voters of Colorado and Colorado Springs. She said Colorado Springs had an opportunity to be a leader.

"We did it with medical marijuana - cities all over the state look to us and our regulations," she said.

Outside council chambers, proponents of Amendment 64 stood disappointed. They had rallied outside City Hall with signs and chants and they gave passionate testimony, often quoting historic figures on the Constitution and citizen rights. But it wasn't enough to sway five council members.

"To see two at-large council members throw the vote of the community under the bus, I'm disappointed and angry," said Mark Slaugh, owner of iComply, a business that helps medical marijuana dispensaries follow state regulations.

Slaugh said the ban meant lost jobs and lost taxes for the city.

"It means we maintain the status quo, which hasn't been the greatest image from the outside looking in," he said.

Jo McGuire, a member of Smart Colorado, a statewide organization that seeks to restrict retail marijuana sales and ensure that taxes on them cover the costs to regulate and enforce the law, wiped tears from her eyes and said she was proud of council members. She told them she knew what drugs could do to a young person. Her son became addicted to marijuana and now is homeless.

"I'm very proud of the city council. I think they did something very courageous," she said. "They did something that is in the best interests of the community."

Even though people won't be able to buy pot for recreational use in licensed stores inside the city limits, they can still possess it legally under Amendment 64 and even grow up to six plants in an enclosed locked space.

Shaking off the sting of the vote, some proponents of Amendment 64 said they won't let the issue die. They could force it to a ballot in November 2014, which is allowed under the state law, said Jason Warf, legislative director for Colorado Springs Medical Cannabis Council.

"The city has woken a sleeping giant," he said. "I think we will see a lot of citizens up in arms. Going against the will of the voters, no matter what the subject, is never a big hit."
http://gazette.com/video-colorado-springs-chooses-to-ban-retail-marijuana-sales/article/1503881


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Re: Colorado Springs bans retail marijuana sales [Re: Gilgamesh18] * 8
    #18604161 - 07/24/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Guess which town in Colorado won't be thriving from an increase in tourism. . .

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Re: Colorado Springs bans retail marijuana sales [Re: trampis] * 6
    #18604171 - 07/24/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Don't you just love how we vote for things only to have 9 people decide on it? Now that's a system we can rely on!


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Re: Colorado Springs bans retail marijuana sales [Re: Jimmyhunter1000]
    #18604193 - 07/24/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

We are not a democracy. We are a republic.

It is a system we can rely on. It may not always give you the results you want, but the system is a good one that has served us well (well... fairly well and better than most) for a couple hundred years.


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Re: Colorado Springs bans retail marijuana sales [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18604209 - 07/24/13 11:07 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Not surprising from the Springs...

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Re: Colorado Springs bans retail marijuana sales [Re: Bender B Rodriguez] * 3
    #18604319 - 07/24/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

springs do suck.. drive a hr north and all your problems will fade away

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Re: Colorado Springs bans retail marijuana sales [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #18604429 - 07/24/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
We are not a democracy. We are a republic.

It is a system we can rely on. It may not always give you the results you want, but the system is a good one that has served us well (well... fairly well and better than most) for a couple hundred years.








Perhaps it's served you well-- but I'm certain many would not agree.


And while you're absolutely correct about our system of government, to be fair, the idea is drilled into our heads from a very young age in school that our government does have a strong and important "democratic" element. In other words-- we have "a say" in things because we vote on shit. Which is as it should be. In some cases, it does work this way in reality. In others, this is a pleasant lie at best.


IMHO while it has certain benefits, a representational system of government, be it federal or local, is just begging for corruption and external influence by those "with power." (aka money)

I think a representational government is especially bad on the local level, where we should have more say in our communities. If I'm reading this right, essentially, some small council of old fucks just (partially)  overturned the work and will of many voters. That just doesn't seem right. Doubly so when the "swing vote" cites poorly justified and unconstitutional federal law as part of the reason.



PS-- double fuck that bitch who said her son is now homeless because he is a marijuana addict. Aside from how incredibly unbelievable that sounds, I can't help but wonder how it would have transpired. I wonder, if this allegedly homeless son of hers has asked his clearly well-to-do mother for any type of assistance. Hell, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts the cunt kicked him out, herself after she caught him smoking pot. "Oh no-- can't have my snooty blue-blood pals see that I have a 'drug addict' for a son. Better get  'tough on crime'.... Hit the bricks, kiddo."


"See? Marijuana is evil and leads to homelessness!"


:rolleyes:


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Re: Colorado Springs bans retail marijuana sales [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #18604461 - 07/24/13 12:01 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Colorado Springs bans retail marijuana sales [Re: aysen]
    #18604472 - 07/24/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Pretty sure Greeley, Fort Collins, and Denver will make up for Springs. They got the best of both worlds, all the folks from CO and the Wyomingites. Hell when I was in Cheyenne, some of the best bud and hash I smoked came from Greeley. I just like the fact that everytime I look around for bud it's chronic. Time was all I could find was mids and brick and rarely chronic. Now it's the ready headies... Sounds like progress to me!


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Re: Colorado Springs bans retail marijuana sales [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18604599 - 07/24/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
We are not a democracy. We are a republic.

It is a system we can rely on. It may not always give you the results you want, but the system is a good one that has served us well (well... fairly well and better than most) for a couple hundred years.




No.  Democratic Republic.


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InvisibleGilgamesh18
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Re: Colorado Springs bans retail marijuana sales [Re: bourgeo]
    #18604610 - 07/24/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

The springs can't even afford to pave over the potholes on the roads or turn on all the city lights and they turn away a new multimillion dollar industry. Idiotic nanny stateism at its worst!


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Re: Colorado Springs bans retail marijuana sales [Re: bourgeo]
    #18604648 - 07/24/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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bourgeo said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
We are not a democracy. We are a republic.

It is a system we can rely on. It may not always give you the results you want, but the system is a good one that has served us well (well... fairly well and better than most) for a couple hundred years.




No.  Democratic Republic.




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In 1787, shortly after the close of the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, a woman interested in the proceedings approached Benjamin Franklin. "Well, doctor," she asked, "what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" The venerable champion of American liberty replied, "A republic, madame, if you can keep it."




Some call it a Constitutional Republic. Some call it a Constitutionally limited Republic. There are several ways I've seen it described. It's still a Republic and still not a Democracy.


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Re: Colorado Springs bans retail marijuana sales [Re: Gilgamesh18] * 2
    #18604701 - 07/24/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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She told them she knew what drugs could do to a young person. Her son became addicted to marijuana and now is homeless.




:wow::rofl:

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There are several ways I've seen it described. It's still a Republic and still not a Democracy.



More like a cross between an oligarchy and a republic. Only those who are supported and controlled by the wealthy multinational corporations stand a chance of gaining enough national attention to be elected to a highly influential government position. The power effectively rests in the hands of these corporations, because we may vote, but the only candidates that get any attention are sponsored by them. Who do you think pays for their campaign? Could you or I get elected as president? No, because we aren't billionaires, and no multinational corporations want to sponsor our campaign. We would never get enough votes, because without corperate sponsorship, we would never gain nationwide recognition as a legitimate candidate. Corporate oligarchy would best describe our current government.

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Re: Colorado Springs bans retail marijuana sales [Re: greencrush420]
    #18604815 - 07/24/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

whhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaat?

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Re: Colorado Springs bans retail marijuana sales [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #18604831 - 07/24/13 01:37 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

All this means is that we don' have to pay taxes on the ounces that are donated to us and the easiest way to get fancy extracts, colas, & candies will continue to be diversion via a red-card holding friend.  This is actually really disappointing because I'd love to go grab a few nice chocolates and a hash kola from time to time. 
I'm surprised the council is concerned about pot dealers losing their jobs. 
Would it do any good to protest this by by the courthouse steps with some doobies?  I'm going to twist a few up and roll by the courthouse to see how everyone's doing
This really sucks, but we've still got options.
If I'm not mistaken that tax money would've gone to schools. 
Damn I passed out three times writing this because I ate a really strong firecracker this am.  I hope there' a party going on down there!

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Re: Colorado Springs bans retail marijuana sales [Re: monkeyheaven]
    #18604857 - 07/24/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Damn, good for you colorado springs, i'm sure that'll keep the homeless marijuana junkies from flooding there. And best of all i'm sure no one will bring pot to this city.


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Re: Colorado Springs bans retail marijuana sales [Re: monkeyheaven]
    #18604875 - 07/24/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, no biggie.:shrug: You can still grow your own, which, in my opinion, is better anyways. I love to nurture my own cannabis to maturity. Plus, I know exactly how it was grown, and what has gone into it. It is still irritating to see a policy that was voted on and approved by the people overturned by the select few who are in a position of power. I also get sick of reading ignorant propaganda about imaginary "marijuana addicts".

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Re: Colorado Springs bans retail marijuana sales [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #18605383 - 07/24/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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PS-- double fuck that bitch who said her son is now homeless because he is a marijuana addict. Aside from how incredibly unbelievable that sounds, I can't help but wonder how it would have transpired. I wonder, if this allegedly homeless son of hers has asked his clearly well-to-do mother for any type of assistance. Hell, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts the cunt kicked him out, herself after she caught him smoking pot. "Oh no-- can't have my snooty blue-blood pals see that I have a 'drug addict' for a son. Better get  'tough on crime'.... Hit the bricks, kiddo."


"See? Marijuana is evil and leads to homelessness!"


:rolleyes:


:scat:




Exactly. I would kick him out if he was a crack head because you just can't trust a crack head. But even if my kid was a no motivation bong slob in the basement I still wouldn't kick him out to sleep under some bridge. You don't kick your son out because they have some problems. She blames pot, I blame her.

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Re: Colorado Springs bans retail marijuana sales [Re: Gilgamesh18] * 1
    #18605958 - 07/24/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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She told them she knew what drugs piss-poor parenting could do to a young person. Her son became addicted to marijuana and now is homeless.




I am guessing this happened while such activities were illegal. So how does keeping it illegal prevent further tragedy?


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Re: Colorado Springs bans retail marijuana sales [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18606856 - 07/24/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

wow colorado springs for real but yeah i was just out that way in may and it was dank buds for days yo.some of the best oil i have ever smoked too. Denver and boulder could hold it down. just dumb of colorado springs to turn away to help them out. but hey thank you america.  :mushroom2:

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