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Re: China's communist system is better than democracy. Here's why. [Re: Patlal]
#18586592 - 07/20/13 07:28 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: China's communist system is better than democracy. Here's why. [Re: Konyap]
#18586618 - 07/20/13 07:33 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Emerging Markets: Bricks
Brazil Russia India China South Korea South Africa
Major financial institutions anticipate China to surpass us by 2020 (depending on your source). The premise of this argument is present in the subject title but China isn't a pure communist nation.
China is experiencing exponential economic growth as international industrialization migrates to the east to capitalize on cheap labor granting a comparative advantage.
Above I listed the BRICK nations. These are the most popular emerging markets that are receiving increased levels of foreign direct investment.. These nations will create their own comparative advantages as their economies evolve.
China has a massive intellectual output due to their education system. China also is mass producing patents (like most patents these days they are trivial). However, there a disregard in china when it comes to intellectual property rights.
Democracy prevails as the more developed nations experience slower economic growth we must understand that we deal in capital intensive goods and services while china is labor intensive. Meaning, labor intensive countries can experience major fluctuations in GDP if they lose their basic comparative advantage, labor. (This doesn't apply to china as much as it does for other nations).
We were saying the same things about Japan in the 90s. Their economy progressed quickly to more capital intensive products. Technology/automobiles, etc.
I am always displeased to hear people suggest anything other than democracy is ideal. The power of free markets should've self evident when we make the comparison to China.
Edited by Sl8t3 (07/20/13 07:44 PM)
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Re: China's communist system is better than democracy. Here's why. [Re: Patlal]
#18586727 - 07/20/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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If this were China this forum would not exist. Lets not forget the civil liberties granted by Democracy.
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Re: China's communist system is better than democracy. Here's why. [Re: Sl8t3]
#18586748 - 07/20/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: China's communist system is better than democracy. Here's why. [Re: Patlal]
#18586762 - 07/20/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: China's communist system is better than democracy. Here's why. [Re: Patlal]
#18586826 - 07/20/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Patlal said: What I think we should do with the modern world democracy is to make it more aristocratic. Here's how I would have it:
1) In order to be able to run for any office, you need to pass a competency test.
Korea has been doing this for about 800 years, china was doing it before them
what good has it done?
Idon't know what it did for them, but for us, it is badly needed.
The managers of our countries are the guys who can make themselves more likable on camera... Like a fucking beauty pageant. How the fuck does that make sense? How does that make them competent for the job?
I agree that we need some serious changes in the way our political systems are staffed and run but all of that starts with us, the people electing the tools to office. when the elections are over, that when it's time to scrutinize everything a politician does because we damned sure didnt do it before the election or the bastard wouldnt have been elected in the first place
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Re: China's communist system is better than democracy. Here's why. [Re: Konyap]
#18586849 - 07/20/13 08:18 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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aiyobro said: that looks a lot like my room
cleaner than mine currently, hell, I can even see some floor
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Re: China's communist system is better than democracy. Here's why. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#18586978 - 07/20/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Korea has been doing this for about 800 years, china was doing it before them
what good has it done?
Idon't know what it did for them, but for us, it is badly needed.
The managers of our countries are the guys who can make themselves more likable on camera... Like a fucking beauty pageant. How the fuck does that make sense? How does that make them competent for the job?
I agree that we need some serious changes in the way our political systems are staffed and run but all of that starts with us, the people electing the tools to office. when the elections are over, that when it's time to scrutinize everything a politician does because we damned sure didnt do it before the election or the bastard wouldnt have been elected in the first place
How would you change the current system?
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Re: China's communist system is better than democracy. Here's why. [Re: Patlal]
#18587014 - 07/20/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Patlal said: How would you change the current system?
the testing idea really isnt a bad one, all government employees have to take a few tests to get their job, why should it be any different for the politicians. on the federal level, I believe in serious pay cuts for politicians, no retirement benefits or any of that bullshit, if you want to hold public office it shouldnt be because of the influence it gives but because of your love for your home and the people you share it with
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Re: China's communist system is better than democracy. Here's why. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#18587083 - 07/20/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Patlal said: How would you change the current system?
the testing idea really isnt a bad one, all government employees have to take a few tests to get their job, why should it be any different for the politicians. on the federal level, I believe in serious pay cuts for politicians, no retirement benefits or any of that bullshit, if you want to hold public office it shouldnt be because of the influence it gives but because of your love for your home and the people you share it with
I agree but I disagree.
If salaries are lower, corruption will become cheaper (somebody making a smaller salary have a bigger financial interest in a brown envelope with 10k in it than someone with a bigger salary).
Also, you want to attract people to run for office. If the pay is crap, competent people will opt for the private sector. There are 435 representatives out of 314,000,000 million people. That 4 times less than there are NFL players. I think they deserve a good salary.
But I agree too. Politicians should be doing it for the country, not for themselves. They should show the example of fiscal responsibility by giving themselves lower salaries. It's better for their image too. It shows dedication.
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Re: China's communist system is better than democracy. Here's why. [Re: Patlal]
#18587289 - 07/20/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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If salaries are lower, corruption will become cheaper (somebody making a smaller salary have a bigger financial interest in a brown envelope with 10k in it than someone with a bigger salary).
this crap is far less common than you may think and even if it were common do you think a 6bn/year company is going to buy off a senator with a few thousand bucks, money is too easy to trace in the current state of the world, do you honestly believe a job where insider trading is not only admissible but also encourages is worth $180k and then to top it off, they can vote themselves pay raises at their lesure
people can bash bush and cheney all they want but I have to hand it to dick cheney, he stepped down from haliburton and sold most of his haliburtin holdings when he was asked to be the VP, the man set an example that should have been followed by most. the media wasnt interested in pointing that out because it would lead people to believe there may be an honest politician
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Also, you want to attract people to run for office. If the pay is crap, competent people will opt for the private sector. There are 435 representatives out of 314,000,000 million people. That 4 times less than there are NFL players. I think they deserve a good salary
I do as well but I'm pretty sure that $80k/year is a decent salary considering that nearly all of their other politic related expenses are picked up on the tax payer dime, people arent running for office for the paycheck, they're running because they want to make a difference, some in the way this country is run and others want a difference in their bank accounts because their company is now in a better position to secure a government contract to clean toilets or make ashtrays to stock the non smoking government buildings
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But I agree too. Politicians should be doing it for the country, not for themselves. They should show the example of fiscal responsibility by giving themselves lower salaries. It's better for their image too. It shows dedication.
people can say what they will but 2 examples of what I see as admirable in politics come from 2 of the most maligned personalities in the arena, Dick Cheney for what I mentioned earlier, while he did play around with the political game for a little while prior to the invasion of Iraq I was never misled by cheney's words, he shot straight. the second example is by the one people referred to as a vapid cunt but I never saw her lie or even hide anything but what stood out the most with her was the fact that she signed bills into law in alaska that went against her own beliefs, the media touted her as wanting to ban abortions and yet she signed laws into effect that loosened restrictions on abortion in alaska among many other things that have endeared her to most alaskans, namely she looked out for them even when it meant unpopular decisions
so in all honesty, I have a lot of high expectations of what a politician should be, like I mentioned earlier, we need to stop allowing the media to dictate who we vote for, if the politicians should take a test, maybe it's only right that the voters take one as well, it can be a simple one, possibly a single question "are you daft?" and no multiple choice answers
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Re: China's communist system is better than democracy. Here's why. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#18587360 - 07/20/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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i am still for the proponent in my argument for fair-weather politics, that the people that run the state and the country... are all people just doing a job, and most of them are trying to do right by people. even Bush...
it's just politics are so stupid to discuss with people, because people take it all so personally.
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