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stonesun
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Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures 1
#18582240 - 07/19/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Panaeolus cyanescens/RDU
Small monotub grow. My same universal substrate. 50/50+ casing. Let the photos speak.
Yeah. I hope for some decent prints.
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Tmethyl
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: stonesun]
#18582250 - 07/19/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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LOL, look at that bruising! Well done as always SS. An inspiration you are.
I'm definitely interested in a print.
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: Tmethyl]
#18582254 - 07/19/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wickedly impressive.
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: azur]
#18582259 - 07/19/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Very nice, i will be looking for a print in the marketplace.
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: azur]
#18582261 - 07/19/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Awesome pics!
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stonesun
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: Tmethyl]
#18582267 - 07/19/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: LOL, look at that bruising!
Right? It's ridiculous.
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: Trippy_Penguin] 1
#18582287 - 07/19/13 07:53 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm curious if anyone has actually done any microscopy or DNA sequencing on this RDU variation of Panaeolus. Macroscopically speaking the lammalae structure and spacing is way off the be Panaeolus cyanescens, it looks so much like Gymnopus gills to me. However the spiraling stipe surely says Panaeolus. The faintly lutescent central pileus is also very characteristic of Panaeolus cyanescens. I would love to check these out under my 2000x scope and post some pics of the spores, basidia, etc.
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: Tmethyl]
#18582322 - 07/19/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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FUCK.ME.SWINGING.
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: llama_police]
#18582366 - 07/19/13 08:10 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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would you mind doing a quick breakdown of your printing process, including folding, sealing and storage. looks like those are gonna be small, a job for some nimble fingers.
those fruits are awesome looking btw!! by far the most visually appealing to me of all the "magic" kind. would love to get my hands on a print as well. woohooo, marketplace access tomorrow! it's christmas!
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: llama_police]
#18582392 - 07/19/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm not sure if you know this or not but Panaeolus tend to stop sporulating if they're being suffocated or rapidly drying out. So if you close the tin foil around them or put them in a bag, the prints will be really light or not even visible sometimes (moving air and your relative humidity also play a role).
So what I do to get dark prints is mist the sporulating caps which are on the tin foil, lightly, then put them back into the FC, or GH, or somewhere that has fresh humid air. This has worked very well for me with Panaeolus cyanescens, cinctulus, papilionaceus, foenisecii, cambodginiensis, etc, and all prints using this method were very dark. Beforehand I was just setting them on a shelf (too much moving air, dried out too fast) or wrapping them up inside foil, or a bag (too little air[I'm assuming], wouldn't make spores).
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: Tmethyl]
#18582415 - 07/19/13 08:18 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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top notch info. thanks for sharing!
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: Uhurungus]
#18582466 - 07/19/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Those are sick Stonesun !!
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#18582484 - 07/19/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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As always, absolutely stunning. I'm still jelly.
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: Tmethyl]
#18584460 - 07/20/13 11:05 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: I'm curious if anyone has actually done any microscopy or DNA sequencing on this RDU variation of Panaeolus.
I don't think anyone sequenced it before, but Workman has some microscopy done with it:
I shall do it one of these days, since I've got so many different species to scope. So many specimens, so little time...
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Tmethyl said: Macroscopically speaking the lammalae structure and spacing is way off the be Panaeolus cyanescens, it looks so much like Gymnopus gills to me. However the spiraling stipe surely says Panaeolus. The faintly lutescent central pileus is also very characteristic of Panaeolus cyanescens. I would love to check these out under my 2000x scope and post some pics of the spores, basidia, etc.
Cultivated Panaeolus cyanescens tend to look like this, even the original Australian looked very similar to these fruits. I have others, like Hawaii showing the same characteristics. These are mostly due to environmental factors and the fact that these are overly mature fruits to ensure optimal sporulation. These are poor spore producers, so printing is always a challenge. I'll get you some spores if you'd like.
Hawaii:
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Tmethyl said: I'm not sure if you know this or not but Panaeolus tend to stop sporulating if they're being suffocated or rapidly drying out. So if you close the tin foil around them or put them in a bag, the prints will be really light or not even visible sometimes (moving air and your relative humidity also play a role).
So what I do to get dark prints is mist the sporulating caps which are on the tin foil, lightly, then put them back into the FC, or GH, or somewhere that has fresh humid air. This has worked very well for me with Panaeolus cyanescens, cinctulus, papilionaceus, foenisecii, cambodginiensis, etc, and all prints using this method were very dark. Beforehand I was just setting them on a shelf (too much moving air, dried out too fast) or wrapping them up inside foil, or a bag (too little air[I'm assuming], wouldn't make spores).
I found that actually Panaeolus is pretty easy to print comparing to some Psilocybes, and usually leave a fairly dark sporeprint without much attention. I agree though that you have to maintain a good balance between humidity and air movement. I place the caps on foil and cover them with a glass. Take a paper wedge and slide it between the foil and the edge of the glass to create a very small gap. Depends on the irregularity of the surface you're printing on, or the lip of the glass it might not even needed. You should see a small amount of condensation on the foil and on the glass. No condensation - your caps probably drying out. Too much condensation - you suffocate them. As Tmethyl said, those prints usually suck.
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: stonesun]
#18584491 - 07/20/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Very nice
Btw, never heard of rdu, but judging by the name it's a pan cyan from Oz, amIrite?
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: rulesq]
#18584696 - 07/20/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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most interesting.
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: anne halonium]
#18584950 - 07/20/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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SS, you're an idol of mine for this hobby.
I'm moving into my first grow for pans, today actually, and I have been reading through your threads and looking for threads with your wisdom spread across them because time and time again you produce amazing mushrooms.
One thing I cannot seem to come across is a substrate make-up that you use.
I always tend to see this
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stonesun said: My same universal substrate. 50/50+ casing
I'm addressing the substrate only, I understand the 50/50+ casing tek...
but can't ever find where you establish what this universal substrate is, and what ratio it consists of.
I've read several threads where I get a basic 50/50 with poo/coco, or a poo substrate thats 1:1:1 with poo/coir/verm, but those just seems too basic to produce the kind of mush you do.
If you could be more specific on what goes into your panaeolus substrates, it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks so much, Midnight
Edited by Midnight Cyclone (07/20/13 01:35 PM)
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: Midnight Cyclone]
#18585041 - 07/20/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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rulesq said: Btw, never heard of rdu, but judging by the name it's a pan cyan from Oz, amIrite?
Correct, it's a red spore mutation of an Australian Panaeolus cyanescens.
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Midnight Cyclone said: but can't ever find where you establish what this universal substrate is, and what ratio it consists of.
All of my P. cubensis and the species featuring the "Just As Easy As Cubes" series use the same substrate:
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stonesun said: The bulk substrate is my regular substrate what I use for my cubensis grows as well. It consists horse manure, coir, vermiculite and gypsum (50/30/15/5) and always pasteurized for 2 hours.
Hope it clears it up!
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: stonesun]
#18585077 - 07/20/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok thanks for the info, as soon as I've got a few rounds of succesful cube grows under my belt, I'll definitely try some Pans and stone producers, you make it look so easy
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: stonesun]
#18585134 - 07/20/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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The bulk substrate is my regular substrate what I use for my cubensis grows as well. It consists horse manure, coir, vermiculite and gypsum (50/30/15/5) and always pasteurized for 2 hours.
Hope it clears it up!
Not quite. Are the proportions by weight or by volume?
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: coffeehead]
#18585159 - 07/20/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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I assume volume, since let's say he has 10qt of spawn and he would want to spawn to bulk on a 3:1 ratio etc.
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: rulesq]
#18585213 - 07/20/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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stonesun said: The bulk substrate is my regular substrate what I use for my cubensis grows as well. It consists horse manure, coir, vermiculite and gypsum (50/30/15/5) and always pasteurized for 2 hours.
Hope it clears it up!
It does, thank you!
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Not quite. Are the proportions by weight or by volume?
Ratios are by volume.
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I assume volume, since let's say he has 10qt of spawn and he would want to spawn to bulk on a 3:1 ratio etc.
Yes, although a ratio is generally leading with the 1 since it is the constant. Such as 1:1, 1:2, 1:3, etc. And that is 1 part spawn per 1 part substrate. The spawn is the constant, and you're changing how much substrate you're using; i.e. 1:3 is 1 part spawn for every 3 parts substrate.
Edited by Midnight Cyclone (07/20/13 02:46 PM)
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: Midnight Cyclone]
#18585454 - 07/20/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Midnight Cyclone said:
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stonesun said: The bulk substrate is my regular substrate what I use for my cubensis grows as well. It consists horse manure, coir, vermiculite and gypsum (50/30/15/5) and always pasteurized for 2 hours.
Hope it clears it up!
It does, thank you!
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Not quite. Are the proportions by weight or by volume?
Ratios are by volume.
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I assume volume, since let's say he has 10qt of spawn and he would want to spawn to bulk on a 3:1 ratio etc.
Yes, although a ratio is generally leading with the 1 since it is the constant. Such as 1:1, 1:2, 1:3, etc. And that is 1 part spawn per 1 part substrate. The spawn is the constant, and you're changing how much substrate you're using; i.e. 1:3 is 1 part spawn for every 3 parts substrate.
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: stonesun]
#18585678 - 07/20/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks a lot. I've been planning on Panaeolus cyanescens so the timing for getting your info was just right.
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: coffeehead]
#18587710 - 07/20/13 11:55 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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coffeehead said: Thanks a lot. I've been planning on Panaeolus cyanescens so the timing for getting your info was just right.
No kidding, I was actually planning on mixing today but thought I wasn't going to be able to because I couldn't find a good poo/coir substrate ratio to go by.
But then I got the answer from SS, sat down to do a little math and voila, literally just took my jars out of the pastuerizing pot 5 mins ago to cool overnight. I will be spawning in the morning, YAY!
Feels so damn good to finally get the ball rolling!
I'll be sure to mention you in the instance I have a grow worth showing off.
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: Midnight Cyclone]
#18587975 - 07/21/13 01:42 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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So I'm going to let these print for 36 hours, instead of the regular 24, because of the notorious poor spore production, but noticed that some of the caps has a decent amount of spores underneath them. Here's sneak peek:
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: stonesun]
#18588116 - 07/21/13 02:44 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nice grow stonesun.....as usual.
Let us know when prints are ready to be traded/given away. I'd like to research this mutation if I may. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: stonesun]
#18589280 - 07/21/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Awesome work as usual Stonesun.
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: stonesun]
#18589553 - 07/21/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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stonesun said: So I'm going to let these print for 36 hours, instead of the regular 24, because of the notorious poor spore production, but noticed that some of the caps has a decent amount of spores underneath them. Here's sneak peek:
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#18589577 - 07/21/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Very nice!
Only recently got back into growing, stocked up on AA and APE now just attempting my first ever Pan Cyans. Need a few more posts to start following your grow logs, have a feeling i'll find them most valuable to read .
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#18589601 - 07/21/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Beautiful mushies I have had success with Aussie Pans, get this, with a 2:1 Wheat berry spawn and pasteurized Fox Farm Ocean Forest potting mix Did the grow for shits and giggles from a dirty, wild, Sunshine Coast print straight from a print pal in Queensland Anyway they loved the potting soil and blew up the FC with hundreds of little tiny white mycena looking shrooms
Mine had black/purple spores and made very nice, small 1" or less, but nice, dark prints
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: skippydude]
#18589605 - 07/21/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have to agree - nice work, stonesun!
MND
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: stonesun]
#18593649 - 07/22/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: stonesun]
#18593675 - 07/22/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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juicy
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: stonesun]
#18593685 - 07/22/13 10:02 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Beautiful prints.
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: elasticaltiger]
#18593781 - 07/22/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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You never disappoint ss job well done. I'm sure the ladies say the same thing
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens/Red Down Under - In Pictures [Re: botanicalbishop]
#18594350 - 07/22/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fantastic prints. Don't get a lot better than that.
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