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Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs
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Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs July 18, 2013
Washington—Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), chairman of the Senate Caucus on International Narcotics Control, today introduced the Protecting Our Youth from Dangerous Synthetic Drugs Act of 2013 to combat synthetic drugs designed to mimic the effects of controlled substances and circumvent existing federal drug laws. These so-called controlled substance analogues are currently unregulated.
The bill is co-sponsored by Senators Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.).
Many of the estimated 200 controlled substance analogues on the market today are designed to mimic the effects of hallucinogenic drugs like ecstasy, PCP and LSD, as well as THC, the principal chemical in marijuana.
“Traffickers of dangerous synthetic drugs continue to circumvent federal law by altering the chemical structure of their products and finding new markets for distribution, particularly among young people.” said Senator Feinstein.
The Obama Administration has conducted two nationwide operations targeting the importation, manufacture and distribution of designer synthetic drugs – Operation LogJam in July 2012 and Operation Synergy in June 2013.
These operations resulted in the seizure of $93 million in cash and assets; the removal of at least 10 tons of synthetic drugs from the supply chain; 318 arrests; and the execution of 681 search warrants, including at least 29 for drug manufacturing facilities.
Feinstein added, “This bill gives law enforcement the necessary tools to prosecute and bring to justice individuals who produce and distribute unregulated synthetic drugs.”
The Protecting Our Youth from Dangerous Synthetic Drugs Act of 2013:
- Establishes an inter-agency committee of scientists headed by the Drug Enforcement Administration and responsible for establishing and maintaining an administrative list of controlled substance analogues.
- Makes it illegal to import a controlled substance analogue unless the importation is intended for non-human use. (Virtually all substance analogues arrive in bulk from outside the United States).
- Directs the U.S. Sentencing Commission to review, and if appropriate, amend the federal sentencing guidelines for violations of the Controlled Substances Act pertaining to controlled substance analogues.
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: Ythan]
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God damn it, now I'll have to import drugs illegally.
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: Ythan]
#18581241 - 07/19/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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They really have no plan to stop prohibition at all eh...
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: Simplepowa]
#18581431 - 07/19/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: weshroom]
#18581665 - 07/19/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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im thrilled. every time they wage war on substance, it gets better , stronger and more plentiful.
let fienstien wave the flag for the RC 500!
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: anne halonium] 2
#18581788 - 07/19/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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In other news, Mexico is celebrating the opening 20 new research laboratories and 65 production facilities along the US border.
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: lazyfingers]
#18582024 - 07/19/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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My rats Buster and Theodore intend to use them (AL-LAD).
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: blitzd]
#18582063 - 07/19/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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One thing is for sure., the war on drugs is being won and the demand is down. The world is becoming a safer place.
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: Ogla]
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: Ythan]
#18582423 - 07/19/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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anne halonium said: im thrilled. every time they wage war on substance, it gets better , stronger and more plentiful.
let fienstien wave the flag for the RC 500!
Did you even read the OP, or just fail to grasp the implications?
If this goes through, I can almost guarantee you this will be the end of the RC scene as we know it. This is the "big one" I knew was coming, for a long time. Fucking hell.
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Ythan said: Establishes an inter-agency committee of scientists headed by the Drug Enforcement Administration and responsible for establishing and maintaining an administrative list of controlled substance analogues.
That, IMHO is the important point. What it means (assuming I'm interpreting this correctly) is that the DEA will now have a group of scientists whose job it will be to decide which chemicals are considered analogs. The way it works presently (theoretically-- though it hasn't worked this way in practice for many who are intimidated into taking plea deals) some of these chemicals are illegal if they share a substantial structural similarity, and it can be proven that your intent was for human consumption. Theoretically this would be decided in a court case. But if this goes through, a DEA panel will decide on a "list of analogs." Forget courts, and having it decided by a jury of your peers whether or not you violated the necessary points for an analog conviction-- these are the drugs we call analogs-- possess them and you are guilty of a crime, flat-out, point blank, do not pass go, do not collect $200....
I hope I'm interpreting that wrong, but it seems like it's what they're going for. That would be a far more ideal situation for them in guaranteeing convictions. I can almost guarantee if it ends up that way, they will begin going after some end-customers, instead of just vendors....
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: CidneyIndole]
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Why are they complaining about the substances being unregulated? Can they not think of a solution? It would clearly make their children safer if they did decide to properly regulate them, but they're still taking the same ineffectual approaches that they have for decades. They either have ulterior motives, touting that their ideologies and efforts are for the greater good (they clearly have the parents fooled), or they're just so isolated from the populace that they don't fully understand the consequences of their actions.
Either way, they're not acting on behalf of the American people, but for their own selfish interests. With that said, moral and fiscal persuasion has never been enough to stop them, and the disgruntled populace is too passive to take action, so it's obviously going to get worse before it gets better.
The problems with marijuana prohibition seem to be slowly improving, however, but other psychoactives aren't given similar consideration.
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: Terratic]
#18583097 - 07/19/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Way to go. Pump more scarce money into this hopeless campaign, throw more people into overcrowded jails, spend even more money hiring DEA airheads that do little more than sit around and spread their worthless egos around. The existence of a DEA agent is one that is hopeless beyond salvation and undeserving of ANY type of compassion or kindness.
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: Ythan]
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: mrckb] 3
#18583350 - 07/20/13 12:50 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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This fucking stupid 80-year-old (yes, she was born in 1933) cunt just can't do enough to make Nixon and Nancy Reagan proud. Why can't she just have a fucking stroke or aneurysm and wind up face down on her desk twitching and convulsing? SOOOOOO fucking sick of this stupid cunt faced whore deciding policy. Yep, I'm part of her constituency, and between her and Boxer I just can't believe how much of a dynasty politics can become. GET THE FUCK OUT ALREADY YOU TIRED FUCKING CUNT WHORE.
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: dokunai]
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Ythan said: Protecting Our Youth from Dangerous Synthetic Drugs Act of 2013
Im glad someone is thinking of the children.
This.
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RAGE. U mad bro? Bisco fan detected...
I'm pretty sure 100% of RC's are created for the sole purpose of profit, there is no 'love' or 'compassion' or 'unity' etc. or any of the hippie/ fake-hippie shit that goes along with some of the real drugs that have been around awhile. At this expense of profit you sacrifice health, mental and physical. Do you know whats going to happen to you in 15 years because of that RC binge you had? No... no one does. I know a girl that is AFOAF with permanent (so far) brain damage of sorts (everything is too loud/bright) because of ONE 2ci or 2ce trip years ago. This shit is dangerous, we don't know how it effects our brain chemistry in the long run. There have been a ton of shroomerites writing about feeling brain-fried after 25i 'brain sizzling', 'burntout' etc. does that sound healthy to you??? enough said.
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: Rumblefishtwist] 1
#18583899 - 07/20/13 07:33 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure most RCs were created during the course of legitimate research. Later to be appropriated by profit motivated individuals.
Do you think any clandestine LSD/MDMA/etc. production operation has a wholly altruistic motive?
How about instead of taking these compounds, sight unseen, out of the hands of researchers we take a cautious, evidence based approach to drug control.
Banning something always removes it from free scientific investigation, never removes it from the black market and invariably makes the drug more dangerous than it would have been.
Hey, this shit has worked so well for the first decades of the drug war, lets double down!
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: CidneyIndole]
#18584492 - 07/20/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, after a little more digging it's looking like I was right. They are attempting to amend the Controlled Substances Act. This is THE END of "Research Chemicals" as we know them, if this passes. And I think we all know this is going to pass.
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ALB13608 S.L.C.
S. ll To address the continued threat posed by dangerous synthetic drugs by amending the Controlled Substances Act relating to controlled substance analogues.
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
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Mrs. FEINSTEIN introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on llllllllll
A BILL
To address the continued threat posed by dangerous synthetic drugs by amending the Controlled Substances Act relating to controlled substance analogues.
1 Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representa2 tives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, 3 SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. 4 This Act may be cited as the ‘‘Protecting Our Youth 5 from Dangerous Synthetic Drugs Act of 2013’’. 6 SEC. 2. ENFORCEMENT. 7 (a) IN GENERAL.—The Controlled Substances Act 8 (21 U.S.C. 801 et seq) is amended—
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(1) in section 102(32), by striking subparagraph (A) and inserting the following: ‘‘(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (C), the term ‘controlled substance analogue’ means— ‘‘(i) a substance whose chemical structure is substantially similar to the chemical structure of a controlled substance in schedule I or II—
‘‘(I) which has a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II; or
‘‘(II) with respect to a particular person, which such person represents or intends to have a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II; or
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‘‘(ii) a substance designated as a controlled substance analogue by the Controlled Substance Analogue Committee in accordance with section 201(i).’’; and
(2) in section 201, by adding at the end the following: ‘‘(i)(1) The Attorney General, in consultation with the Secretary of Health and Human Services, shall establish an interagency committee, to be known as the Controlled Substance Analogue Committee (referred to in this subsection as the ‘Committee’).
‘‘(2) The Committee shall be— ‘‘(A) headed by the Administrator of the Drug Enforcement Administration; and ‘‘(B) comprised of scientific experts in the fields
of chemistry and pharmacology from— ‘‘(i) the Drug Enforcement Administration; ‘‘(ii) the National Institute on Drug Abuse; ‘‘(iii) the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention; and
‘‘(iv) any other Federal agency determined by the Attorney General, in consultation with the Secretary of Health and Human Services, to be appropriate.
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‘‘(3)(A) The Committee shall convene, on an as needed basis, to establish and maintain a list of controlled substance analogues.
‘‘(B) A substance may be designated as a controlled substance analogue by the Committee under this subsection if the substance is determined by the Committee to be similar to a Schedule I or II controlled substance in either its chemical structure or its predictive effect on the body, in such a manner as to make it likely that the substance will, or can be reasonably expected to have a potential for abuse.
‘‘(C) Evidence of human consumption by an individual or the public at large is not necessary before a substance may be designated as a controlled substance analogue under this subsection.
‘‘(D) The Attorney General shall, through rule- making, establish procedures of operation for the Committee.
‘‘(4)(A) Not later than 30 days before each meeting of the Committee, the Attorney General shall submit to the Secretary of Health and Human Services a notice of the meeting of the Committee, which shall include—
‘‘(i) a list of the substances to be considered by
the Committee during the meeting for designation as
a controlled substance analogue; and
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‘‘(ii) a request for the Secretary of Health and Human Services to make a determination of whether an exemption or approval for each substance listed under clause (i) is in effect under section 505 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 355). ‘‘(B) Not later than 30 days after the date on which
the Secretary of Health and Human Services receives notice under subparagraph (A), the Secretary shall submit to the Attorney General a written response to the request described under subparagraph (A)(ii). The Committee shall consider the response submitted by the Secretary of Health and Human Services in determining whether to designate a substance considered by the Committee at the meeting as a controlled substance analogue.
‘‘(5)(A) The Attorney General shall publish in the Federal Register any designation made by the Committee under this subsection.
‘‘(B) The Administrator of the Drug Enforcement Administration shall publish, on the website of the Drug Enforcement Administration, a description of each designation made by the Committee under this subsection, which shall include—
‘‘(i) the chemical and common name of the controlled substance analogue;
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‘‘(ii) the effective date of the determination, as
described in paragraph (6)(A); and
‘‘(iii) any Schedule I or II controlled substance
that the Committee has determined a substance is
an analogue of.
‘‘(6) A designation made by the Committee under this subsection shall take effect on the date that is 30 days after the date on which the designation is published in the Federal Register under paragraph (5)(A).
‘‘(7) If a substance designated as a controlled substance analogue by the Committee under this section is subsequently scheduled through a rulemaking proceeding under subsection (a), (d), or (h), the substance shall be automatically removed from the controlled substance analogue list.
‘‘(8) If a defendant challenges the designation of a controlled substance analogue made by the Committee under this subsection the issue shall be considered a question of law.’’.
(b) FUNDING.—Section 111(b)(2)(B) of Public Law 102–395 (21 U.S.C. 886a(2)(B)) is amended by inserting ‘‘controlled substance analogues,’’ after ‘‘substances,’’. ALB13608 S.L.C.
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SEC. 3. IMPORTATION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE ANALOGUES.
Section 1002 of the Controlled Substances Import and Export Act (21 U.S.C. 952) is amended—
(1) by redesignating subsections (c) through (e) as subsections (d) through (f), respectively; and (2) by inserting after subsection (b) the following: ‘‘(c) It shall be unlawful to import into the customs territory of the United States from any place outside thereof (but within the United States), or to import into the United States from any place outside thereof, any controlled substance analogue designated pursuant to section 201(i) of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 811(i)) unless the controlled substance analogue is imported pursuant to such notification or declaration as the Attorney General may by regulation prescribe.’’.
SEC. 4. DIRECTIVE TO SENTENCING COMMISSION.
(a) IN GENERAL.—Pursuant to its authority under section 994 of title 28, United States Code, the United States Sentencing Commission shall review and, if appropriate, amend the Federal sentencing guidelines and policy statements to ensure the guidelines and policy statements provide adequate penalties for any offense involving the unlawful manufacturing, importing, exporting, or trafficking of controlled substance analogues under part D of ALB13608 S.L.C.
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the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 841 et seq.) or part A of the Controlled Substances Import and Export Act (21 U.S.C. 951 et seq.) and similar offenses, including unlawful possession, possession with intent to commit any of the foregoing offenses, and attempt and conspiracy to commit any of the foregoing offenses.
(b) COMMISSION DUTIES.—In carrying out this section, the Sentencing Commission shall— (1) ensure that the sentences, guidelines, and policy statements relating to offenders convicted of these offenses are appropriately severe and reasonably consistent with other relevant directives and other Federal sentencing guidelines and policy statements; (2) make any necessary conforming changes to the Federal sentencing guidelines; and (3) assure that the guidelines adequately meet the purposes of sentencing as set forth in section 3553(a)(2) of title 18, United States Code.
http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/files/serve/?File_id=4f0e4d31-38fd-4d58-a93f-f11f7e8b03fa
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: CidneyIndole]
#18584584 - 07/20/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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anne halonium said: im thrilled. every time they wage war on substance, it gets better , stronger and more plentiful.
let fienstien wave the flag for the RC 500!
Did you even read the OP, or just fail to grasp the implications?
If this goes through, I can almost guarantee you this will be the end of the RC scene as we know it. This is the "big one" I knew was coming, for a long time. Fucking hell.
As we know it....yes.
Banned RC's are still in the streets though and to my suprise purity levels have remained high.
Heroin purity is also at a high point.
Now we just need to stop buying shitty coke(shitty H never lasts on the market because the users NEED a potent product) and perhaps the purity of that will rise as well.
All that being said, this is some pretty shitty news.
The worst part is how they just raided and seized these peoples shit.
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: Rumblefishtwist] 1
#18584594 - 07/20/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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dokunai said: This fucking stupid 80-year-old (yes, she was born in 1933) cunt just can't do enough to make Nixon and Nancy Reagan proud. Why can't she just have a fucking stroke or aneurysm and wind up face down on her desk twitching and convulsing? SOOOOOO fucking sick of this stupid cunt faced whore deciding policy. Yep, I'm part of her constituency, and between her and Boxer I just can't believe how much of a dynasty politics can become. GET THE FUCK OUT ALREADY YOU TIRED FUCKING CUNT WHORE.
RAGE. U mad bro? Bisco fan detected...
I'm pretty sure 100% of RC's are created for the sole purpose of profit, there is no 'love' or 'compassion' or 'unity' etc. or any of the hippie/ fake-hippie shit that goes along with some of the real drugs that have been around awhile. At this expense of profit you sacrifice health, mental and physical. Do you know whats going to happen to you in 15 years because of that RC binge you had? No... no one does. I know a girl that is AFOAF with permanent (so far) brain damage of sorts (everything is too loud/bright) because of ONE 2ci or 2ce trip years ago. This shit is dangerous, we don't know how it effects our brain chemistry in the long run. There have been a ton of shroomerites writing about feeling brain-fried after 25i 'brain sizzling', 'burntout' etc. does that sound healthy to you??? enough said.
Hell yeah, he's mad. And so am I. And dokunai is right-- this rotting geriatric bitch needs to catch the cancer, or hopefully something a little quicker-- like a heart attack, or an aneurism, or maybe even a car accident on those dangerous Cali roads.
This bill, like most prohibitionist legislation is not entirely for the public good. And this is a somewhat complicated case. Look, I'll be the first to admit that some of the "research chemicals" that have come out are more dangerous than they should be. Hell, I bet you that I want to see 25i banned worse than the bitch sponsoring this bill. That stuff never should have made it to the market-- and I guarantee you that 25i and the deaths and hospitalizations associated with 25i are a BIG part of the reason we're seeing this legislation proposed. (So thanks a lot to all the assholes vending 25i, and doubly so for those dealing it on the street as a drug. With a note of "thanks" for the runners up-- those making / selling "smoking blends" and "bath salts"... you guys are "aweome"(ly stupid) too!)
But it's not all black and white. Let me explain to you what I see here.
This does not only protect the kids, and uneducated users, and unscrupulous vendors / dealers from getting their hands on dangerous "research chemicals" (if it even does that much)... It also prevents responsible, educated people from getting them, for one. (Or at least, makes it harder for them to get, and increases legal penalties if they do get their hands on them-- as if more people in jail cells is really what this country needs-- as if that is really the best thing for the public)....
But it also may prevent smaller "independent" researchers and "amateur" experimenters from conducting research and furthering human knowledge and understanding People who don't have millions / billions of dollars or a Big Pharma company, or university backing them. Sure, it probably won't prevent larger, more influential groups from doing research. But Big Pharma already has a green light from the DEA to experiment on pretty much anything that isn't crack or heroin. (I exaggerate, of course-- but not by much.)
But what I really see in this bill that frightens and disgusts me is this-- The likely potential for corruption.
We have a group, an organization, whose very existence is predicated on drug laws, and drugs being illegal, and busting people for drugs. An organization whose funding in large part comes from the seizure of money and assets from so-called "drug crimes." We have this organization, now put in charge of deciding which new chemicals may now be considered "illegal drugs" and therefore within their jurisdiction to enforce. So this group can now create new business for themselves. New criminals, with newly seizeable assets-- based solely on their say-so.
That absolutely reeeks of the stench of corruption so bad I want to vomit just thinking of it.
Does anybody know if any of the head hacks at the DEA, or this Feinstein, or Schumer, or any of these other assholes (or all of them) hold stakes / interests in the privatized prison industry? That would not surprise me at all.
This shit needs to stop. Sure, we need a solution to 25i and others like it-- but they are trying to take the power to decide criminal cases out of the hands of a jury of your peers, and handing it over to the corrupt DEA. And the corrupt DEA is being given greater powers to decide what is and is not illegal. Again, this shit really needs to be blocked.
Hey dokunai-- do you happen to have a truck?
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: CidneyIndole]
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Very well put, i live in a constant state of fear of my country 
Real shit.
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: Apostle]
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quite shitty. atleast in most likely a decade a lot of these outdated/corrupt/ignorant old timers will drop dead. leaving us to inherit the future!? i hope
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: Ketakitty]
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Makes it illegal to import a controlled substance analogue unless the importation is intended for non-human use. (Virtually all substance analogues arrive in bulk from outside the United States).
This is some good news in the bad news^
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Ketakitty said: quite shitty. atleast in most likely a decade a lot of these outdated/corrupt/ignorant old timers will drop dead. leaving us to inherit the future!? i hope
They have raised many drones to fall in line. Optimism certainly doesn't hurt though, i hope "we" do take over. The thing is so many of "us" are defeated and demoralized drug addicts due to the current war on drugs and this prevents us from access to "positions of power".
HOWEVER, i am optimistic that a very big change will occur once the baby boomers die out. No offense, i know some of them are "cool", but the vast majority are still very anti-"whatever drugs I don't like".
we'll see
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ShroomzWeedLsd
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: Apostle]
#18584759 - 07/20/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah this bill is bad, but it hasn't passed yet and some of our congress men aren't crazy prohibitionist ass holes so this bill might not pass. And even if it did RCs will never stop. There are still vendors that sell currently illegal chems; why would they stop once this bill passes? They will just try to create new chemicals that are even further from the structure of scheduled substances or they'll just say fuck it and import illegal ones.
I'm sure almost all of us at some point order an illegal substance on the internet, and I'm sure some of us already know vendors that still sell illegal research chemicals.
I doubt this will really get bad until a couple years after it passes and the DEA has scheduled everything.
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: Ythan]
#18584782 - 07/20/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Better stock up on your favorite rc's while you still can!
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: Apostle]
#18584824 - 07/20/13 12:53 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Makes it illegal to import a controlled substance analogue unless the importation is intended for non-human use. (Virtually all substance analogues arrive in bulk from outside the United States).
This is some good news in the bad news^
Unfortunately, the DEA has been ignoring the "not for human consumption" messages on the packaging for quite some time.
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: Ythan]
#18584904 - 07/20/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey guys, here is how you can contact Senator Dianne Feinstein:
https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/e-mail-me
Please be nice, but politely ask her to stop this bill. Being rude won't get you anywhere, so be nice.
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Simplepowa
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: nooneman]
#18584913 - 07/20/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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^What he said
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Carl Sagan - "Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people." --- Robert Pirsig - "When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." --- Brian Cox - "[One] problem with today’s world is that everyone believes they have the right to express their opinion AND have others listen to it. The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense."
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: nooneman]
#18584948 - 07/20/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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I feel like if if I do that i'll get put on a list somewhere. If i'm not on one already.
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Apostle
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: RockyRaccoon]
#18584973 - 07/20/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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One cannot fear standing up for what they believe in.
I will likely rot in a prison for my decision to continue to use, so be it.
If you do not want to risk being "listed" that is a respectable decision.
"God" Bless Everyone.
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Rumblefishtwist
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: Apostle]
#18585172 - 07/20/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Rot in a prison for some shitty RC? To me this seems if RC's are banned for human consumption (which in reality has nothing to do with the importation of things anyway - the sites will just have a disclaimer) REAL drugs may be considered further for medicinal / studied use.
I believe we are progressing towards a country-wide legalization of medicinal cannabis or at least decriminalization. That is if Obama ever 'changes' anything. Our population is so apathetic however that this may take awhile .. the zombie apocalypse is here. It's the people sitting at home after work, drinking beer and mindlessly watching mass-media television. THAT is the zombie apocalypse. That is what we need to overcome for 'CHANGE'.
It has been proven time and time again that cannabis in its various forms can combat and ease the pain of real deal illnesses like cancer and chronic pain. Why add a bajillion obscuro random-ass synthetic versions of a natural cancer curing rite into the mix? I thought hippies were only into organic shit? This reminds me of the college hippy meme 'only consumes natural food ... smokes brand cigarettes.'
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Apostle
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: Rumblefishtwist]
#18585288 - 07/20/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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i am not going to rot in a prison for some shitty RC
i am going to rot in a prison for abusing heroin and marijuana
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Rumblefishtwist
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: Apostle]
#18585425 - 07/20/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Apostle
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: Rumblefishtwist]
#18585451 - 07/20/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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i ain't never been scared and this fucked up system isn't going to be the one to put the fear in me.
It's going to take someone who is stronger than me and who wants to do harm to me.
i pray that i never meet that man.
in the mean time i will train myself to be stronger and more survival motivated than my next potential enemy.
Fuck the worlds with an aids dick.
lol.
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Jvells
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Re: Feinstein Introduces Bill to Combat Dangerous Synthetic Drugs [Re: Apostle]
#18589989 - 07/21/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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I doubt this will pass and all its doing right now is probably pushing more people to try them right now lmfao
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