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GreenRabbit
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Please verify these jars!
#18577908 - 07/18/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey guys, I got 5 jars of PE that I'm worried about and 5 more that are fully colonized a I wanted verified before birthing.
Sorry for the mass picture here but these 5 I'm not really worried about
Then there's these
Is this bruising or mold? There's some blue there I'm worried about, the other side is also not completely colonized. Should I let it finish or get rid off it now?
This one also, is this metabolites or contaminant?
These have all been colonizing for a month.
Last one. Is it ok to allow it to colonize?
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bEelzeBosS
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Re: Please verify these jars! [Re: GreenRabbit]
#18577951 - 07/18/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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What do they smell like?
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Re: Please verify these jars! [Re: bEelzeBosS]
#18577962 - 07/18/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah it's definitely okay to let them colonize when you birth them, smell them to see if they are bad. They should smell mushroomy or to some people, "earthy."
Edit: I fear some of those jars are screwed :/
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Edited by Sagescruffy (07/18/13 07:27 PM)
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Re: Please verify these jars! [Re: bEelzeBosS]
#18577966 - 07/18/13 07:28 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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chaotic646 said: What do they smell like?
I've never been able to smell anything without opening a jar. If you can smell them through the jar ho outside and throw the whole jar away lmao.
Otherwise just let em go for a minute. If either is a contam you WILL know. Contams grow fast.
You can always birth them outside and quarantine them away from the others if your not sure after a good smell test.
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GreenRabbit
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Re: Please verify these jars! [Re: DayTripin]
#18577990 - 07/18/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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None of them smell bad. A while ago I noticed a bad smell in the tub they were in but could not identify it or figure out which jar it is
Should I be worried about smelling them directly? I don't want to inhale nasty shit
So if I want to case these can I just break up the good ones and mix them with vermiculite?
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Re: Please verify these jars! [Re: GreenRabbit]
#18578013 - 07/18/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ive only had two contam brf cakes but they were obvious...couldnt see anything but there was a horrible odor coming from the inoc holes.
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GreenRabbit
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Re: Please verify these jars! [Re: bEelzeBosS]
#18578024 - 07/18/13 07:47 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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chaotic646 said: Ive only had two contam brf cakes but they were obvious...couldnt see anything but there was a horrible odor coming from the inoc holes.
I had that happen to the only grow bag I tried. Didn't colonize for 2 months and then smelled terrible through the filter patch.
But, can I simply break up the good cakes and mix them with vermiculite to make a tray?
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DayTripin
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Re: Please verify these jars! [Re: GreenRabbit]
#18578098 - 07/18/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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GreenRabbit said:
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chaotic646 said: Ive only had two contam brf cakes but they were obvious...couldnt see anything but there was a horrible odor coming from the inoc holes.
I had that happen to the only grow bag I tried. Didn't colonize for 2 months and then smelled terrible through the filter patch.
But, can I simply break up the good cakes and mix them with vermiculite to make a tray?
If you want to do a tray you can break the good cakes u and spawn them. I would suggest coir/verm 80/20. Straight Verm will work but its far from ideal.
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GreenRabbit
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Re: Please verify these jars! [Re: DayTripin]
#18578130 - 07/18/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think im just going to run straight verm with this first one.
Can I really just mix the mycelium with vermiculite and let it recolonize?
Ive seen a lot of pasteurization teks, are those for coir only?
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Re: Please verify these jars! [Re: GreenRabbit]
#18578177 - 07/18/13 08:24 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Verm has very little nutritious value for the MYC. It DOES have nutritional values but it's like you or I eating card board. lol
That said you might try to just case the crumbled cakes in verm. I've done that with minor success. The verm is for water retention not food. The MYC will be wasting energy colonizing a (virtually) non-nutritious sub. That's energy it would have been using to make you beautiful moooshies.
To be 100% completely honest, I would say DON'T crumble. Birth as cakes and you will almost undoubtedly get better results.
If you have to crumble go with coir/verm.
If all else fails though, I would pasteurize verm if I were to use it as a bulk sub. The MYC will be VERY slow at colonizing it compared to coir/verm or HP/coir/verm. The contams that might be there will have alot more time to take hold.
Anytime you spawn to bulk it's a race against the contams.
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GreenRabbit
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Re: Please verify these jars! [Re: DayTripin]
#18578245 - 07/18/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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So I should just fruit PE as cakes?
Most people say that PE dont do well on cakes but i have seen pictures to show the opposite. It may have been an isolate though.
I dont want to do cakes for these anyway, i would rather have a tray of 5 cakes
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Re: Please verify these jars! [Re: GreenRabbit]
#18578269 - 07/18/13 08:46 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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GreenRabbit said: So I should just fruit PE as cakes?
Most people say that PE dont do well on cakes but i have seen pictures to show the opposite. It may have been an isolate though.
I dont want to do cakes for these anyway, i would rather have a tray of 5 cakes
Ah shit, I don't know how I missed that. PE do not do well as cakes. I would crumble. TBH PE holds a special place in my heart lol. I would get some coir. It's like 7 dollars. PETCO or PETSMART
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Re: Please verify these jars! [Re: GreenRabbit]
#18578282 - 07/18/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah those are the correct jars.... Hahahaha
Some of em look a tad weird but most questionable cakes go for a flush at least. You could fruit the pe as cakes since...they are cakes...
Regular PE on cakes really can take a long time to fruit so it'd be a good test for the scope of your patience as well as skills
If you do use them as spawn instead, make sure you remove the entire dry verm layer carefully while miraculously keeping handling to a minimum. I would just keep the cakes as they are and move towards grain for bulk ideas , but to each their own
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GreenRabbit
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So I broke them up, and some werent colonized in the middle. They were weird because i used medium grade vermiculite and the 1:1:3 ended up way too wet. I added some extra verm to the mix to dry it out and cooked them.
what do I have to do differently to make the medium grade vermiculite work?
i think im going to toss the other 5 jars too...
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Oeric McKenna
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Re: Please verify these jars! [Re: GreenRabbit]
#18578589 - 07/18/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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I always did 2:1:1 (verm/brf/water) and the mix was perfect. If you use a container about the size of half a coffee can to measure it'll make 12 half pints. Remember, this ratio has a lot of room for user variation and different grades of verm won't matter much as for life or death of this. If its wet, add more of either dry ingredient. Should form a lump when squeezed but no drips
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Re: Please verify these jars! [Re: GreenRabbit]
#18578598 - 07/18/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Medium grade is fine. Bring the sub to field capacity and your fine.
Sounds like you may need to give them a little extra time to colonize from now on.
Around 7 days from full (visual) colonization
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GreenRabbit
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It was like clay when mixed.. Didn't drip but for some reason it was really dense. The cakes smelled like mycelium but some of the jars the mycelium only colonized the outside of the cakes. I think they're all bad really..
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Re: Please verify these jars! [Re: GreenRabbit]
#18578673 - 07/18/13 10:36 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Loosen it with your hands when mixing and pack lightly. Also, like daytripin said^ wait longer. You may have jumped the gun
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GreenRabbit
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Maybe.. But I know the cake consistency wasn't right... The mycelium couldn't get in through the cake at all.
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Oeric McKenna
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Re: Please verify these jars! [Re: GreenRabbit]
#18578910 - 07/18/13 11:56 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Idk man...mycelium can rock through some pretty hard things. You need time. If you slice a cake and the outside is done while the inside is not, there's a very good chance that its simply not finished. Patience or some other projects to help you forget while things are working. Back shelf my man
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GreenRabbit
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It's been over a month though. Some jars did colonize inside some couldn't get through the outside at all..
I broke then all up and mixed with some verm. I think it's doomed now but I covered them with plastic wrap and am going to let it colonize for another week. Hopefully it doesn't contam
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Re: Please verify these jars! [Re: GreenRabbit]
#18580742 - 07/19/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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they look wet and they look like 1/4 not 1/2 quart but try birthing one soaking and rolling it, the worst that's gonna happen is that it takes another week to pin
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GreenRabbit
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Re: Please verify these jars! [Re: Franquixote]
#18581005 - 07/19/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've already broken then up and mixed in some vermiculite. I'm giving it a week to colonize but I'm pretty sure it will just contaminate within a few days
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