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Bush sweating in his shoes
    #1857312 - 08/28/03 01:46 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Rebuilding Iraq will cost tens of billions of dollars in next year alone, US admits
By Justin Huggler in Baghdad
28 August 2003


In a startling admission that the cost of occupying Iraq is spiralling out of control, the US administrator in the country, Paul Bremer, said yesterday that rebuilding Iraq would need "several tens of billions of dollars" in the next year alone.

President George Bush's administration is reportedly preparing to ask Congress for a "huge" new injection of cash for Iraq, even as it is preparing to post a record budget deficit of $480bn (?300bn) next year.

The predictions were made as two American soldiers were killed in separate attacks in Iraq, a day after George Bush vowed America would not retreat from the country in the face of a guerrilla insurgency and terror attacks.

Just to fix the constant power cuts in Iraq and meet current electricity demand will cost $2bn, Mr Bremer said in an interview with The Washington Post. He said Iraq's economic needs were "almost impossible to exaggerate". Providing clean water across the country alone will cost $16bn over the next four years.

This is on top of the $1bn a week the Pentagon says it costs to keep numbers of US soldiers in Iraq at their current levels. And this is the occupation that was supposed to pay for itself, with revenues from Iraq's vast oil reserves. But Mr Bremer said yesterday that Iraqi revenues would not be enough. US efforts to get Iraq's oil flowing are not going well, plagued by sabotage, looting and the power shortages.

Under US occupation, Iraq is only producing about 1.7 million barrels per day, Mr Bremer admitted, far less than its output of 2.5 to 3 million bpd before the war. And Mr Bremer does not expect to get oil production back to pre-war levels by October next year.

It means that Mr Bush will have to justify spending billions of American money in Iraq as he seeks re-election in 2004. Washington wants to get foreign governments to help pay the bill for Iraq, and is preparing for a donors' conference in Madrid in October. But the US may get the same answer it is getting from foreign governments to its requests for soldiers to serve in occupation forces: not unless the United Nations is given a say in running Iraq. Mr Bremer is sticking to the US line, however. "What ... makes things better if the UN is in charge of reconstruction?" he asked.

Meanwhile, the US will have to find the $13bn that Mr Bremer said engineers need to fix Iraq's antiquated power grid over the next five years. He called electric power "in many ways the key to reconstruction".

Power cuts have slowed progress in pumping oil and have led to severe fuel shortages. The power cuts and fuel shortages have added to growing resentment of the occupation.

Iraq is producing about 3,330 megawatts a day, says Mr Bremer, less than the 4,000mw a day under Saddam Hussein and well short of the 6,000mw needed to meet demand. The US administration has ordered a 400mw generator for Baghdad but does not expect to meet demand until next year.

"I keep reading stories about how it's a country in chaos," Mr Bremer said. "This is simply not true. It's not a country in chaos."

Events yesterday did little to support his case. The killing of the two US soldiers brings to 64 the number killed in combat since President Bush declared on 1 May that the war was over. The total now exceeds the number of US troops killed during the main combat phase of the invasion.One of the soldiers was killed in Fallujah, a town 30 miles west of Baghdad that has become a main resistance centre. Witnesses said a convoy drove over landmines planted in the road. Three other soldiers were wounded in the incident. Another American soldier was killed in an attack on a US convoy in Baghdad.

Several attacks are believed to take place every day, but the occupation forces only confirm those in which their soldiers die. They will not confirm those in which soldiers are injured or failed attempts.

In another incident three civilians and two Iraqi police officers were killed in a shoot-out with criminals in Kahramaneh Square in the centre of Baghdad. Witnesses said the Iraqi police caught the criminals in the middle of a robbery and when they tried to stop them a gunfight ensued.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=437775


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Re: Bush sweating in his shoes [Re: Xlea321]
    #1857339 - 08/28/03 01:52 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Bush isn't sweating in his shoes. He obviously doesn't give a fuck or else things wouldn't have gotten this far in the first fucking place. Bush is an idiot and he had no clue this is what would happen. I guess you can't blame a baby for soiling itself......


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Re: Bush sweating in his shoes [Re: the universe]
    #1857359 - 08/28/03 01:55 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

You've got a point. As long as the corporations get their cut from the rebuilding deals what does he care how much it costs.


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Re: Bush sweating in his shoes [Re: Xlea321]
    #1858611 - 08/28/03 12:44 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

You're right, Bush doesn't give a shit as long as the companies that he and his cronies have interests in are getting the contracts and his poll ratings stay up enough to get re-elected.


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Re: Bush sweating in his shoes [Re: Autonomous]
    #1858618 - 08/28/03 12:46 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, it is so wrong for some American companies to recieve some of our taxpayer dollars for rebuilding Iraq. There is no reason Americans should get part of their own money back. :rolleyes:


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Re: Bush sweating in his shoes [Re: Xlea321]
    #1858635 - 08/28/03 12:52 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

*yawn*


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Re: Bush sweating in his shoes [Re: shakta]
    #1858680 - 08/28/03 01:14 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The real problem is that the government is confiscating wealth from all taxpayers to benefit a few select companies. I will see no benefit from this, along with the majority of Americans.


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Re: Bush sweating in his shoes [Re: Autonomous]
    #1858821 - 08/28/03 01:54 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

That all depends. How about the people that work for these companies? What about the effect it will have on the economy? I am just saying the portion of our tax money that will be used to pay these companies, may as well go back into our economy instead of someone elses.


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Re: Bush sweating in his shoes [Re: shakta]
    #1859192 - 08/28/03 03:57 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

There is no reason Americans should get part of their own money back

Don't you think it's a trifle obscene bombing a country back into the stone age and then making a killing rebuilding bits of it?


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Re: Bush sweating in his shoes [Re: Xlea321]
    #1859205 - 08/28/03 03:59 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I think we should use their money rebuilding it, and Bush should wear socks. It helps.


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Re: Bush sweating in his shoes [Re: Xlea321]
    #1859214 - 08/28/03 04:02 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Alex123 said:
There is no reason Americans should get part of their own money back

Don't you think it's a trifle obscene bombing a country back into the stone age and then making a killing rebuilding bits of it?




Well if we had done anything close to bombing them 'back to the stone age' I might agree. We are going to have to fix all the damage the terrorists are doing now. We are also going to have to fix all the neglect Saddam's regime has done. Your assumption that we will be 'making a killing' is laughable. Most of the money invested will be spent on materials to rebuild the country. That means it will definately be a losing proposition. We aren't there for money.


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Re: Bush sweating in his shoes [Re: shakta]
    #1859284 - 08/28/03 04:21 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

We are also going to have to fix all the neglect Saddam's regime has done.

That a medieval genocidal sanctions policy and 12 years of bombing have done you mean.

That means it will definately be a losing proposition. We aren't there for money.

Who do you think is running these massive corporations? Jesus Christ? I got news for you, if there wasn't money to be made they wouldn't be there. Don't kid yourself.





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Re: Bush sweating in his shoes [Re: Xlea321]
    #1859301 - 08/28/03 04:23 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The companies will make money, but the US as a whole will definately lose plenty. Don't kid yourself.


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Re: Bush sweating in his shoes [Re: shakta]
    #1859360 - 08/28/03 04:34 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

You wern't expecting anything else were you? Were you thinking Bush was going to plough the profits back into the american environment or helping the disabled or cleaning up a few ghettos?

Of COURSE the only people to see the profit will be corporations.


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Re: Bush sweating in his shoes [Re: Xlea321]
    #1859376 - 08/28/03 04:37 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Who makes up corporations Alex? People do. American people. My point is why should we pay say a French or German company to fix Iraq when an American company can do it? If we end up getting help from the rest of the world, then I would say that it be opened up to foreign countries. Until we are not bearing the load, I don't see why we should allow anyone else to profit off of our money.


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Re: Bush sweating in his shoes [Re: Xlea321]
    #1859472 - 08/28/03 04:57 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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That a medieval genocidal sanctions policy and 12 years of bombing have done you mean.



Perhaps the billion or so the troops have found might have helped a bit had Saddam not pocketed it.

And 12 years of bombing? Before the war, what did we bomb besides missle sites?


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Re: Bush sweating in his shoes [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1859534 - 08/28/03 05:12 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Fiber optic lines between SAM radar site that the Chinese were installing.

Rotsa Ruck spliceing those back together :smile:


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Re: Bush sweating in his shoes [Re: wingnutx]
    #1859557 - 08/28/03 05:19 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

So... a part of the missle sites.

Any infrastructure targets?


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Re: Bush sweating in his shoes [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1859581 - 08/28/03 05:27 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Does a 'baby milk factory' count as infrastructure?


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Re: Bush sweating in his shoes [Re: wingnutx]
    #1859682 - 08/28/03 05:55 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Does a 'baby milk factory' count as infrastructure?



Did they ever decide if that was indeed a milk factory? I remember the story but not the resolution.

The reason I'm asking this is in response to Alpo's 12 years of bombing claim. Now unless there are more than one factory, baby milk or otherwise, I don't see any major impact to the infrastructure of Iraq other than neglect.


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