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Re: Leader of Mexico's Zetas drug cartel captured, officials say [Re: mylfgur]
    #18567043 - 07/16/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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This guys a bum. Where's El Chapo?



El Chapo Guzmán leads the Sinaloa cartel, not the Zetas.




Ummm yeah I know that

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Re: Leader of Mexico's Zetas drug cartel captured, officials say [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #18567142 - 07/16/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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I propose the US legalizes all drugs and monopolizes the trade within its borders. If they don't overdo it with taxes, they will take the cartels out of business over night




That will never happen because the govt makes more money through the cia bringing the drugs in illegaly


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Re: Leader of Mexico's Zetas drug cartel captured, officials say [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #18567522 - 07/16/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

damn. big news. ...job opening.

To those who said drug prohibition doesn't fuel these guys - whatever is illegal is going to increase in value. so you can do little work, and get high returns for things like prostitution, gambling, guns, and drugs. Say money from pot pays for a $1M tunnel across the boarder, all of those other money making ventures will now be increased. So prohibition only really outsources control. And you've just put a massive profit motive on penetrating our boarders.

pot really doesn't have all that much value. The place I live now, they planted a bunch for WW2. It took over a decade for them to kill all the plants after it was made illegal. It's a weed :shrug:

I'd be selling dandelion buds if only they made it illegal.


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Re: Leader of Mexico's Zetas drug cartel captured, officials say [Re: LiquidGlass] * 1
    #18567940 - 07/16/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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That will never happen because the govt makes more money through the cia bringing the drugs in illegaly





I don´t think that is actually the case.  There has been no recent evidence to support that theory.  It´s a very popular rumor, however the proof isn´t there.

The evidence that the CIA brings in drugs is summarized here:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_trafficking

One reason I doubt that the CIA sells drugs under the table is that kind of thing is taken very seriously in our government.  To say that these CIA people would lose their security clearance is a huge understatement.

The best evidence for CIA drug smuggling is the 1996 "dark alliance" series of articles published in the San Jose Mercury News.  However those stories were based on unreliable shady sources, and hard evidence is lacking.   

When the IG heard about it they formed a 17 member investigative team and found nothing.  https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/cocaine/overview-of-report-of-investigation-2.html

If the question is "has the CIA ever smuggled drugs?" the answer is probably.  However I think that these were rogue agents using CIA airplanes to make themselves rich, not to fund black ops.

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Re: Leader of Mexico's Zetas drug cartel captured, officials say [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #18568094 - 07/16/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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That will never happen because the govt makes more money through the cia bringing the drugs in illegaly





I don´t think that is actually the case.  There has been no recent evidence to support that theory.  It´s a very popular rumor, however the proof isn´t there.

The evidence that the CIA brings in drugs is summarized here:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_trafficking

One reason I doubt that the CIA sells drugs under the table is that kind of thing is taken very seriously in our government.  To say that these CIA people would lose their security clearance is a huge understatement.

The best evidence for CIA drug smuggling is the 1996 "dark alliance" series of articles published in the San Jose Mercury News.  However those stories were based on unreliable shady sources, and hard evidence is lacking.   

When the IG heard about it they formed a 17 member investigative team and found nothing.  https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/cocaine/overview-of-report-of-investigation-2.html

If the question is "has the CIA ever smuggled drugs?" the answer is probably.  However I think that these were rogue agents using CIA airplanes to make themselves rich, not to fund black ops.




I believe the basic idea behind CIA involvement with drug traffic activities boils down to the fact that they are heavily involved with foreign assets that make money off the drug trade. Add in private contractors, rogue agents/soldiers, unstable governments and the clandestine/covert nature of intelligence gathering...

The CIA is an extremely machiavellian organization that has all the contacts, networks, infrastructure, manpower, immunity and authority it needs to pull the strings behind the scenes. I ask anyone who doubts their involvement in illegal activities to take a closer look.

The United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence is a joke. They are the same shady, manipulative, deceitful cunning individuals watching over people just like them. How often is the CIA (or any intelligence organization) held accountable for anything?

So much goes on behind the scenes it would be impossible for the average person to even begin to grasp. :tinfoil:

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Re: Leader of Mexico's Zetas drug cartel captured, officials say [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #18568105 - 07/16/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
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LiquidGlass said:
That will never happen because the govt makes more money through the cia bringing the drugs in illegaly





I don´t think that is actually the case.  There has been no recent evidence to support that theory.  It´s a very popular rumor, however the proof isn´t there.

The evidence that the CIA brings in drugs is summarized here:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_trafficking

One reason I doubt that the CIA sells drugs under the table is that kind of thing is taken very seriously in our government.  To say that these CIA people would lose their security clearance is a huge understatement.

The best evidence for CIA drug smuggling is the 1996 "dark alliance" series of articles published in the San Jose Mercury News.  However those stories were based on unreliable shady sources, and hard evidence is lacking.   

When the IG heard about it they formed a 17 member investigative team and found nothing.  https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/cocaine/overview-of-report-of-investigation-2.html

If the question is "has the CIA ever smuggled drugs?" the answer is probably.  However I think that these were rogue agents using CIA airplanes to make themselves rich, not to fund black ops.



Good summary. I've always found the theory that the CIA has a policy of profiting from drug sales kind of ridiculous. They already have a huge sum of money from the defense budget allocated, why would the institution need to go out of its way to earn funds to operate? All you have to do is let Congress give it to you.


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Re: Leader of Mexico's Zetas drug cartel captured, officials say [Re: MidnightCity]
    #18568604 - 07/16/13 08:33 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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I believe the basic idea behind CIA involvement with drug traffic activities boils down to the fact that they are heavily involved with foreign assets that make money off the drug trade. Add in private contractors, rogue agents/soldiers, unstable governments and the clandestine/covert nature of intelligence gathering...

The CIA is an extremely machiavellian organization that has all the contacts, networks, infrastructure, manpower, immunity and authority it needs to pull the strings behind the scenes. I ask anyone who doubts their involvement in illegal activities to take a closer look.





That is why they get accused of drug smuggling, however in reality I don´t think that is how they operate.  They currently have a huge budget, and they would be risking everything by being corrupt to the core by funding black ops with drug money.  They have plenty of black ops, but they more or less get them approved by the people who fund them. 

I don´t see any reasonable reason to assume that the CIA smuggles drugs.

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