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State must turn off the alcohol tap
    #18559343 - 07/14/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

July 15, 2013 - 10:39AM

TONY SARA

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It's not unusual to wake on a weekend morning to hear of another innocent young person fighting for their life in a Sydney hospital following an alcohol-fuelled assault. The latest man to fall victim to a random act of violence on our streets is 33-year-old Matthew Blackmore.

As a father and as a brother, attacks like these strike a chord with me. But as someone who worked in emergency services for many years, as shocking and tragic as the assaults are, they don't come as a real surprise.

Every weekend our paramedics, police, doctors and nurses are faced with the tragic consequences of alcohol-fuelled violence. Every weekend we're forced to pick up the pieces, phone parents and even deal with becoming the victims of violence and abuse ourselves. Every weekend we deal with the knowledge that another heart-breaking case will be just around the corner.

What does surprise me now is not that these attacks continue to occur. It is that our politicians seem content to sit back and let tragic events like this take place without acting.
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It's certainly not due to a lack of knowledge as to what course of action would help prevent further attacks like the one on Mr Blackmore; the evidence showing what works to reduce the violence has been sitting on the desks of politicians for years.

Reduced trading hours, lock-outs and restrictions on high alcohol-content drinks: that's the suite of measures that have been proven to work to reduce alcohol-fuelled assaults.

Since those measures were introduced in Newcastle, there's been a 37 per cent decrease in late night assaults and a 26 per cent decrease in emergency department admissions in the area.

If we knew of a way to reduce the number of heart attacks by 37 per cent or the road toll, politicians would be jumping all over themselves to announce the new measures. Unfortunately however, whatever the reason, our politicians seem determined not to introduce the measures that we know work.

After the tragic death of Thomas Kelly in Kings Cross just over a year ago there were mumblings from the State Government about taking action in the Cross – and while there have been some measures announced there, we're yet to see the reduced trading hours and lock-outs we need.

The key to curbing the carnage on our streets is stopping it at the source – reducing the access and availability of alcohol.

Every weekend, our emergency service workers are tied up dealing with the impacts of alcohol-fuelled violence. It costs the state a fortune in police time and hospital beds but, more importantly, it costs lives.

But despite lives being torn apart, it seems the State Government doesn't care. Rather, it appears more intent on keeping some in the alcohol industry happy than in keeping our community safe.

Innocent young people have been left fighting for their lives as a result of alcohol-fuelled violence. It's time the government stepped up to the plate and took the action that it knows we need to see.

Dr Tony Sara is the president of the Australian Salaried Medical Officers Federation and Last Drinks coalition spokesperson.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/state-must-turn-off-the-alcohol-tap-20130715-2pz0i.html


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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Simplepowa]
    #18559485 - 07/14/13 09:39 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

"Reduced trading hours, lock-outs and restrictions on high alcohol-content drinks..."

The last thing we need are more laws that limit what little freedom we have left. On the contrary, it's time for people to claim responsibility for their own actions and quit blaming substances for their own frustrations that are expressed through their violent behaviour (often as a result of an increasingly oppressive society, might I add). It is also time to stop mystifying psychoactive substances and have an openness and HONEST discourse about them. 
By the way, I might add that most north Americans don't know how to drink. They are raised to drink milk at the dinner table
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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Freedreamer]
    #18559809 - 07/14/13 11:03 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Freedreamer, by your attitude i'm assuming you've never had a loved one or friend killed or injured by a drunk/impaired driver.  It happens more often than you realize.  Enough said.

Increasingly repressive?  It seems that as we progress in time society is actually advancing, the shift is seen every day in my area, its at an all-time high like never before, things are changing.

What little freedom we have left?  What the hell are you talking about?  Do you live in America?  If so what state?  I'm curious to know which section of the country you would have to question having all the freedom in the damn world.

Alcohol is shit, and is no good for anyone.  I don't know anyone in my limited amount of time here on earth that CAN handle being drunk.  Alcohol makes you an even bigger idiot than you were previously, which to the majority of the population is already pretty damn high.  Shit, i'm Irish and German and still turn into a complete idiot when drinking.  Let the state turn off the tap, this shit (alcohol) doesn't need to be accessible by the general idiot public IMO.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Rumblefishtwist]
    #18559917 - 07/14/13 11:38 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Your attitude is surprising considering this is the Shroomery after all. I am for individual freedom and the responsibility that comes with it. Prohibition is no solution and we know what kind of shit it leads to (we can see it with uncontrolled illicit drugs, and we did see it before with the alcohol prohibition that also lead to deaths related to crime and tampered alcohol). If you can't handle yourself when drunk, then I don't want to imagine how you handle yourself on shrooms :um:
I, for one, have no impulse to insult, beat or murder people when drunk, and neither do those I've gotten drunk with. If you can't handle your shit, then don't drink, simple as that, but let live those who can enjoy it (same goes for other drugs).

The proper way of going about drugs and alcohol is to give out correct information, highlight the good & the bad, lay out the risks, and from then on, lay the responsibility on the people. Stop the finger pointing, the external causes for stupid behaviour and take control over your own damn ass.


I will not disclose my place of residence on this website for legal reasons. I'll say this though: there's a serious liberty problem when you can't even grow a motherfucking plant in your own home.

By the way, alcohol was in fact proven to be healthy when consumed in moderate quantities. And for the love of humanity, this furiously anti-alcohol, holier-than-thou attitude must stop. You don't want alcohol to be made available to the public while you are on the Shroomery? WTF? I don't get it. What joy is there to life if you can't even have a little wine with your dinner or have some beers on a warm summer night? Crazy shit.


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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Freedreamer]
    #18560766 - 07/15/13 06:29 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Alcohol just leads to bad shit sometimes.

You ever go to a party school and see the flyers they hand out about violence and sexual abuse percentages?:lol:

They shouldn't even make alcohol past 20% BAC anymore. If it bothers you that much you can make your own.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Konyap]
    #18560979 - 07/15/13 07:58 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Though it is likely just coincidence, my only violent offense and or outbursts involved lots of alcohol. :shrug:

i don't drink more than a beer any more and i haven't gotten into a fight in years.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Apostle]
    #18561134 - 07/15/13 08:59 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

i think everyone goes through that point in their life where they drink alcohol to get fucked up and they regret it the next day in the bathroom.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Konyap]
    #18561159 - 07/15/13 09:07 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

some people  never learn from it.

At least when i black out on dope i am just a comatose borderline dead bother to no one.

On alcohol i go on auotpilot and that's dangerous.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Apostle]
    #18561161 - 07/15/13 09:08 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

:lol:

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Apostle]
    #18561187 - 07/15/13 09:18 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Hologram said:
some people  never learn from it.

On alcohol i go on auotpilot and that's dangerous.

:getstoned:




This.  Very dangerous situations have arrived from this happening to me.  On a lighter note my cousin told me a story of how he was super drunk and 'came to' walking down the streets of Seattle with a pack of hobo's .. they were all rambling to each other while he casually was walking along with them, they didn't question his presence or anything.  Listen to the song 'Wonderful Wino' by Frank Zappa to get an idea of what alcohol can do to you lol.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Rumblefishtwist]
    #18561200 - 07/15/13 09:25 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

It's because alcohol is a depressant but it packs a lot of carbohydrates and simple sugars so you're completely hammered and sort of wired at the same time.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Rumblefishtwist]
    #18561241 - 07/15/13 09:44 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

i used to drink 211's with bums when i was in my alcoholic phase.


i switched from H to alcohol and it was the worst decision of my life, lol.

pretty sure i ended up in jail.


Anyways, yea the street bum alchys are alright in my book.
It's the frat boy fags and drunk drivers that suck.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Freedreamer]
    #18561863 - 07/15/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

What's wrong with milk at dinner? I'm confused


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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: huffinglue]
    #18562279 - 07/15/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

"What's wrong with milk at dinner? I'm confused"

:scat: Americans are crazy.

Drink wine, for fucks sake.


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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Freedreamer]
    #18563178 - 07/15/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

I'm an alcoholic that's been clean for a year this month, thank you very much. So what should I drink? Grape juice?


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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: huffinglue]
    #18563193 - 07/15/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

No joke, i would go with water. Grape juice would end up making me want wine, i would think.  or is it not that bad?

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Apostle]
    #18563757 - 07/15/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

I usually only drink water. I can drink juice. The taste doesn't make me crave... I just drank for the effects, not the taste. I used to drink over a liter of burbon a day, without sharing, for about 15 years. Ug. WAY outta controll. But yeah, it'll be a year this month. I stopped a month before my son was born.


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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: huffinglue]
    #18563764 - 07/15/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Congratulations on the kid and on your commitment to ensuring you are sober and in the best mind state to handle any situation.


I mean that.

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    #18563767 - 07/15/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry for the double post, but I've been to the hospital twice since I've been sober, and they said my liver and kidneys were 100% healthy.... couldn't belive it


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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: huffinglue]
    #18563788 - 07/15/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

The human body appreciates a break and knows how to thank you for it.

That's even better than i could have guessed.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Freedreamer]
    #18564721 - 07/15/13 11:17 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Your attitude is surprising considering this is the Shroomery after all




This is seen pretty regularly here. The Shroomery loves drugs, but only the ones illegal for them to have.
Alcohol and cigarettes are worse than infanticide and Hitler around here.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: something super extreme]
    #18564848 - 07/15/13 11:56 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

that's not really fair to Hitler, cigarettes are pure evil.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Apostle]
    #18564990 - 07/16/13 01:00 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

If milk is what he wants to drink for dinner then he can very damned well have his milk. Milk is a nutritious natural drink!

College drinking actually killed it for me. Nasty plastic handles of pure lighter fluid. I wake up the next morning feeling like death. I take a shit and it is the nastiest vilest piece of stinking crap ever. I appreciate alcoholic beverages for their taste and palate. I enjoy craft IPAs and the like. I do not drink to get shitfaced drunk waiting for shenanigans to happen.

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The proper way of going about drugs and alcohol is to give out correct information, highlight the good & the bad, lay out the risks, and from then on, lay the responsibility on the people. Stop the finger pointing, the external causes for stupid behaviour and take control over your own damn ass.




Moderation is key but many people do not get that, even though there have been programs (albeit they are lacking) in place to educate people.

I went to a party school, pretty much lived in a small college town with a population of 15000 college kids. There have been numerous drug/alcohol programs put in place by both the school and county. Every weekend there are still alcohol fueled brawls, people passed out from alcohol poisoning, and ambulance calls.

Look at these stats. I'll highlight a couple for brevity.
http://www.ncadd.org/index.php/learn-about-alcohol/alcohol-and-crime
Alcohol is attributed to:
37% of rapes and sexual assaults
15% of robberies
27% of aggravated assaults, and
25% of simple assaults
40% of homicides :eek:

and now look at how much this Alcohol problem is costing us.
http://www.alcoholpolicymd.com/alcohol_and_health/costs.htm

Annual health care expenditures for alcohol-related problems - $22.5 billion
Annual total cost of alcohol problems - $175.9 billion :eek:

This amount of money makes me freak out. WE ARE ALL PAYING. :frown:

And marijuana actually has a pretty good record of helping people get off drinking and onto something FAR less toxic and violent. LSD has also been used in clinical trials to manage alcoholism with success. The issue of harm reduction cannot be overlooked. We need all the help we can get. Sometimes we can find them from pot, mushrooms, and LSD :smile: LEGALIZE!!!

Edited by blitzd (07/16/13 01:02 AM)

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: blitzd]
    #18565268 - 07/16/13 04:09 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Iced Tea ftw

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Konyap]
    #18565270 - 07/16/13 04:12 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

I know you go to a party school and I'm not saying it isn't possible cause I'm sure it is where I live on the east coast, but those sexual abuse numbers are inflated, in some cases you can't even have sex with a person if they're drunk.

In my state it can be taken that way if they say no or they don't say anything.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Apostle]
    #18572451 - 07/17/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks man. For real. I thought when I quit everyone would be all like "ah, you quitter. Couldn't handle your fuckin alcohol etc.. blah blah blah". But everyone I've talked to about it has been very encouraging and not negative at all. Pretty sweet.


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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: huffinglue]
    #18574830 - 07/18/13 06:33 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

IDK those numbers look even lower than what you would think alcohol would be responsible for.  I'd argue even half or more rape/sexual assault is alcohol related.  Think about what goes along with it (people putting date rape in alcohol / drugging alcohol etc.).  Not just 'ohh i'm drunk and hope I don't get raped or taken advantage of'.  Alcohol is no good and have seen it ruin a couple of my friends lives directly and indirectly.  Can anyone here think of ONE good thing alcoholism (not enjoying a craft IPA once in a while) has done for you??  Alcohol is a depressant and makes you depressed as fuck in the long run if you go on a spree or bingle, trust me.

This past winter was one of the most depressing times of my life because all my girlfriend and I did was DRINK, every day for months.  Every night we would buy a 6-12 pack of malt liquor tall boys and watch TV... I was miserable looking back on it.  Glad i've got help now, ive been going to AA daily and it's been a God send.  I highly recommend it to anyone struggling with alcoholism/drug addiction that wants to get clean & sober.  Huffinglue there is nothing wrong with wanting to get your head back on straight, that is very respectable in my book!  Good job buddy.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Rumblefishtwist]
    #18575235 - 07/18/13 09:33 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Alcohol is no good and have seen it ruin a couple of my friends lives directly and indirectly.




You can make this weakly-worded argument for any drug you happen not to like.
Here, let me show you:

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Rumblefishtwist said:
Alcohol LSD is no good and have seen it ruin a couple of my friends lives directly and indirectly.




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Rumblefishtwist said:
Alcohol Mushrooms are no good and have seen it ruin a couple of my friends lives directly and indirectly.





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Alcohol Marijuana is no good and have seen it ruin a couple of my friends lives directly and indirectly.




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Alcohol Jenkem is no good and have seen it ruin a couple of my friends lives directly and indirectly.




Sounds pretty stupid, doesn't it?
Instead of avoiding placing blame where it belongs, try this; blame stupid users for the dumb shit they do or allow to happen while under the influence of a substance. I'm tired of this double-standard set all because hippies seem to dislike alcohol for some reason.



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Think about what goes along with it (people putting date rape in alcohol / drugging alcohol etc.).



So alcohol is now responsible for other drugs? That sounds pretty stupid.

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Rumblefishtwist said:Can anyone here think of ONE good thing alcoholism




Can you think of any addiction that is wholly beneficial?
It's hardly limited to alcoholism, and once again it comes to the poor decisions of the user, not the substance itself.

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Rumblefishtwist said:Alcohol is a depressant



So are opioids, barbiturates, benzodiazepines, sedatives, dissociatives, and hypnotics. What are you getting at?

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and makes you depressed as fuck in the long run if you go on a spree or bingle, trust me.




Right, and so will any of the above, if used with a marked lack of self-control.
See example:
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all my girlfriend and I did was DRINK, every day for months.


 

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I was miserable looking back on it.




And were you an alcoholic because of your misery, or vice-versa? I don't know too many heavy drinkers, including myself, who just decided drinking a gallon of whiskey a day sounded like a lot of fun.
Once again, don't blame alcohol for your personal problems or lack of control; blame yourself, as there's no other suitable recipient for your blame.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: something super extreme]
    #18575286 - 07/18/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Alcohol is a drug accepted by mainstream culture therefore a lot of negative shit happens with main stream idiots.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Konyap]
    #18575305 - 07/18/13 10:00 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

A lot of negative shit happens with virtually any imaginable substances, regardless of its status in mainstream culture.
What I do see is an inordinate amount of hatred for alcohol among counter-culture, seemingly for no other reason than disdain for the fact that society has a preference for one substance over another.
You can try to hide that behind as many morally-indignant tirades about the perceived uselessness and potential for damage of alcohol as you want, but that's not changing the truth of the matter.

Someone else worded the fact of the matter almost flawlessly in another thread:



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CidneyIndole said:
Come on, guys. Leave your drug bias / elitism at the door. Sometimes it makes me quite sad (and other times quite angry) how many drug users take on this elitist "my drug is better than your drug" attitude.

"Those drugs ruin lives-- my drugs are special and magical and only make lives better!"

Drugs are tools. That means they are neutral. And sure-- it is true that due to the extreme nature / effects of certain drugs, some drugs (although neutral) are more prone to abuse, trouble, and harm. But those are products of the user the user's habits and behavior (their choices) and even society. 

You drug elitists do realize that some people take psychedelics and deeply regret it right?  Certain psychedelics have killed some people, or influenced a persons actions in such a way that harm or death resulted?  Some people take psychedelics and have really bad psychological reactions. I've heard from people who only dosed once or twice and felt that their experience permanently changed them for the worse.  And yes, these effects are considerably less common than harm from hard drugs. But it happens-- and psychs are also less commonly used.

Even marijuana can be particularly harmful for some. It does impact cognition, and emotions, and thus has had influence (not always positive) on the choices of a lot of young men and women still in their developmental phase. The old "gateway drug" claim is way over-exaggerated, but there is some measure of truth to it.






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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: something super extreme]
    #18575312 - 07/18/13 10:02 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I'm sure if mainstream started using psychedelics we'd hear about people going to the er and dying all the time.

Oh wait, no we wouldn't.:themoreyouknow:

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Konyap]
    #18575318 - 07/18/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I'm positive that you'd hear about it with much more frequency than you do now.
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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: something super extreme]
    #18575335 - 07/18/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)


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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: something super extreme]
    #18576727 - 07/18/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I'm sorry the shitbird made me fucking laugh, didn't expect it.

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Cidney and sVs got good points, I like it :heart:


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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Simplepowa]
    #18580837 - 07/19/13 01:17 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Just want to chime in because i read "the gateway drug" thang a few posts up.


I believe all drugs are gateway drugs, it just depends which one you try first...


Most people i know it's alcohol/tobacco. Myself included. I'd say alcohol and marijuana are the top two but who knows, it's probably a regional thing.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Apostle]
    #18583870 - 07/20/13 07:11 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

sVS true, but admit it, alcohol is the worse drug because so many people have the genetic potential for addiction.  NO other substance has been used historically in such large proportions within essentially every culture of the world.  Many cultures of the world are genetically predisposed to alcoholism.  I don't know many people or cultures who are genetically predisposed to taking LSD or psychedelic mushrooms everynight and getting in car accidents, killing people, or starting fights, all the other bullshit that goes along with the inflated ego/personality that alcohol seems to give most people. 

-I'm not gonna try and rebuttle every point you made in responding to me because I have shit to do today but:

-Alcohol is a depressant and makes you a fucking idiot, if you try arguing that, then you are a fucking idiot. 

-You must either be an alcoholic yourself defending it like that (or have never had loved ones injured/killed by drunk idiots) or a troll with a lot of time on your hands (Registered: 10/29/12
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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Rumblefishtwist]
    #18584031 - 07/20/13 08:48 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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sVS true



I know.

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Rumblefishtwist said:
but admit it



No, because that's nothing but stupid bullshit, as I have already explained clearly.

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-I'm not gonna try and rebuttle every point you made in responding to me because I have shit to do today but:



Because you can't, not because you can't spare the extra 45 seconds out of your undoubtedly busy day.

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-Alcohol is a depressant 




When did anyone say otherwise, and how is this relevant?

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and makes you a fucking idiot, if you try arguing that, then you are a fucking idiot.



Idiots are already predisposed to idiocy regardless of alcohol. Nothing "makes" you an idiot besides poor self-control and stupid decisions.
I don't quite understand your need to get personal because of your inability to reason like a normal human, but it's pretty pathetic.

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-You must either be an alcoholic yourself defending it like that (or have never had loved ones injured/killed by drunk idiots) or a troll with a lot of time on your hands



I have a shred of common sense, an iota of self control, and a marked disdain for stupid bullshit.

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(Registered: 10/29/12
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Peace.




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Peace.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: something super extreme]
    #18584062 - 07/20/13 09:05 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Alcohol fucks up everybody's life. Heroin fucks up young peoples life. Cigarettes fuck up older peoples lives.

The only reason mushrooms were banned in Europe was cause some girl in france freaked out and jumped off a bridge. How many sober people do that a year in San Francisco? To top it out I watch vice and one company was  producing 8,000 pounds a year at least. That's half a million doses every single year.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Konyap]
    #18584111 - 07/20/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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How many sober people do that a year in San Francisco?




About twenty-four, according to the coroner's report.
Ban bridges.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: something super extreme]
    #18584169 - 07/20/13 09:37 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

No ones saying that, but you see why they shouldn't sell alcohol after certain times of day I hope.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Konyap]
    #18589169 - 07/21/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm sure if mainstream started using psychedelics we'd hear about people going to the er and dying all the time.

Oh wait, no we wouldn't.:themoreyouknow:




Um, yeah, you would. Some psychedelics are just physically dangerous, like 25x for example. Others can put people into bad situations due to set, setting, irresponsible dosing, whatever. Did you see what happened to people in the 60s when acid became widespread? Psychedelics aren't for everyone.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: setb]
    #18589835 - 07/21/13 01:17 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Charles Manson?

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Konyap]
    #18589875 - 07/21/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Pre-existing madness, invalid penis.

i mean pole


i mean "poll".

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