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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Freedreamer]
    #18564721 - 07/15/13 11:17 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Your attitude is surprising considering this is the Shroomery after all




This is seen pretty regularly here. The Shroomery loves drugs, but only the ones illegal for them to have.
Alcohol and cigarettes are worse than infanticide and Hitler around here.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: something super extreme]
    #18564848 - 07/15/13 11:56 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

that's not really fair to Hitler, cigarettes are pure evil.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Apostle]
    #18564990 - 07/16/13 01:00 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

If milk is what he wants to drink for dinner then he can very damned well have his milk. Milk is a nutritious natural drink!

College drinking actually killed it for me. Nasty plastic handles of pure lighter fluid. I wake up the next morning feeling like death. I take a shit and it is the nastiest vilest piece of stinking crap ever. I appreciate alcoholic beverages for their taste and palate. I enjoy craft IPAs and the like. I do not drink to get shitfaced drunk waiting for shenanigans to happen.

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The proper way of going about drugs and alcohol is to give out correct information, highlight the good & the bad, lay out the risks, and from then on, lay the responsibility on the people. Stop the finger pointing, the external causes for stupid behaviour and take control over your own damn ass.




Moderation is key but many people do not get that, even though there have been programs (albeit they are lacking) in place to educate people.

I went to a party school, pretty much lived in a small college town with a population of 15000 college kids. There have been numerous drug/alcohol programs put in place by both the school and county. Every weekend there are still alcohol fueled brawls, people passed out from alcohol poisoning, and ambulance calls.

Look at these stats. I'll highlight a couple for brevity.
http://www.ncadd.org/index.php/learn-about-alcohol/alcohol-and-crime
Alcohol is attributed to:
37% of rapes and sexual assaults
15% of robberies
27% of aggravated assaults, and
25% of simple assaults
40% of homicides :eek:

and now look at how much this Alcohol problem is costing us.
http://www.alcoholpolicymd.com/alcohol_and_health/costs.htm

Annual health care expenditures for alcohol-related problems - $22.5 billion
Annual total cost of alcohol problems - $175.9 billion :eek:

This amount of money makes me freak out. WE ARE ALL PAYING. :frown:

And marijuana actually has a pretty good record of helping people get off drinking and onto something FAR less toxic and violent. LSD has also been used in clinical trials to manage alcoholism with success. The issue of harm reduction cannot be overlooked. We need all the help we can get. Sometimes we can find them from pot, mushrooms, and LSD :smile: LEGALIZE!!!

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: blitzd]
    #18565268 - 07/16/13 04:09 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Iced Tea ftw

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Konyap]
    #18565270 - 07/16/13 04:12 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

I know you go to a party school and I'm not saying it isn't possible cause I'm sure it is where I live on the east coast, but those sexual abuse numbers are inflated, in some cases you can't even have sex with a person if they're drunk.

In my state it can be taken that way if they say no or they don't say anything.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Apostle]
    #18572451 - 07/17/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks man. For real. I thought when I quit everyone would be all like "ah, you quitter. Couldn't handle your fuckin alcohol etc.. blah blah blah". But everyone I've talked to about it has been very encouraging and not negative at all. Pretty sweet.


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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: huffinglue]
    #18574830 - 07/18/13 06:33 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

IDK those numbers look even lower than what you would think alcohol would be responsible for.  I'd argue even half or more rape/sexual assault is alcohol related.  Think about what goes along with it (people putting date rape in alcohol / drugging alcohol etc.).  Not just 'ohh i'm drunk and hope I don't get raped or taken advantage of'.  Alcohol is no good and have seen it ruin a couple of my friends lives directly and indirectly.  Can anyone here think of ONE good thing alcoholism (not enjoying a craft IPA once in a while) has done for you??  Alcohol is a depressant and makes you depressed as fuck in the long run if you go on a spree or bingle, trust me.

This past winter was one of the most depressing times of my life because all my girlfriend and I did was DRINK, every day for months.  Every night we would buy a 6-12 pack of malt liquor tall boys and watch TV... I was miserable looking back on it.  Glad i've got help now, ive been going to AA daily and it's been a God send.  I highly recommend it to anyone struggling with alcoholism/drug addiction that wants to get clean & sober.  Huffinglue there is nothing wrong with wanting to get your head back on straight, that is very respectable in my book!  Good job buddy.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Rumblefishtwist]
    #18575235 - 07/18/13 09:33 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Rumblefishtwist said:
Alcohol is no good and have seen it ruin a couple of my friends lives directly and indirectly.




You can make this weakly-worded argument for any drug you happen not to like.
Here, let me show you:

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Rumblefishtwist said:
Alcohol LSD is no good and have seen it ruin a couple of my friends lives directly and indirectly.




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Rumblefishtwist said:
Alcohol Mushrooms are no good and have seen it ruin a couple of my friends lives directly and indirectly.





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Rumblefishtwist said:
Alcohol Marijuana is no good and have seen it ruin a couple of my friends lives directly and indirectly.




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Rumblefishtwist said:
Alcohol Jenkem is no good and have seen it ruin a couple of my friends lives directly and indirectly.




Sounds pretty stupid, doesn't it?
Instead of avoiding placing blame where it belongs, try this; blame stupid users for the dumb shit they do or allow to happen while under the influence of a substance. I'm tired of this double-standard set all because hippies seem to dislike alcohol for some reason.



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Think about what goes along with it (people putting date rape in alcohol / drugging alcohol etc.).



So alcohol is now responsible for other drugs? That sounds pretty stupid.

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Rumblefishtwist said:Can anyone here think of ONE good thing alcoholism




Can you think of any addiction that is wholly beneficial?
It's hardly limited to alcoholism, and once again it comes to the poor decisions of the user, not the substance itself.

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Rumblefishtwist said:Alcohol is a depressant



So are opioids, barbiturates, benzodiazepines, sedatives, dissociatives, and hypnotics. What are you getting at?

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and makes you depressed as fuck in the long run if you go on a spree or bingle, trust me.




Right, and so will any of the above, if used with a marked lack of self-control.
See example:
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Rumblefishtwist said:
all my girlfriend and I did was DRINK, every day for months.


 

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Rumblefishtwist said:
I was miserable looking back on it.




And were you an alcoholic because of your misery, or vice-versa? I don't know too many heavy drinkers, including myself, who just decided drinking a gallon of whiskey a day sounded like a lot of fun.
Once again, don't blame alcohol for your personal problems or lack of control; blame yourself, as there's no other suitable recipient for your blame.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: something super extreme]
    #18575286 - 07/18/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Alcohol is a drug accepted by mainstream culture therefore a lot of negative shit happens with main stream idiots.

:themoreyouknow:

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Konyap]
    #18575305 - 07/18/13 10:00 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

A lot of negative shit happens with virtually any imaginable substances, regardless of its status in mainstream culture.
What I do see is an inordinate amount of hatred for alcohol among counter-culture, seemingly for no other reason than disdain for the fact that society has a preference for one substance over another.
You can try to hide that behind as many morally-indignant tirades about the perceived uselessness and potential for damage of alcohol as you want, but that's not changing the truth of the matter.

Someone else worded the fact of the matter almost flawlessly in another thread:



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CidneyIndole said:
Come on, guys. Leave your drug bias / elitism at the door. Sometimes it makes me quite sad (and other times quite angry) how many drug users take on this elitist "my drug is better than your drug" attitude.

"Those drugs ruin lives-- my drugs are special and magical and only make lives better!"

Drugs are tools. That means they are neutral. And sure-- it is true that due to the extreme nature / effects of certain drugs, some drugs (although neutral) are more prone to abuse, trouble, and harm. But those are products of the user the user's habits and behavior (their choices) and even society. 

You drug elitists do realize that some people take psychedelics and deeply regret it right?  Certain psychedelics have killed some people, or influenced a persons actions in such a way that harm or death resulted?  Some people take psychedelics and have really bad psychological reactions. I've heard from people who only dosed once or twice and felt that their experience permanently changed them for the worse.  And yes, these effects are considerably less common than harm from hard drugs. But it happens-- and psychs are also less commonly used.

Even marijuana can be particularly harmful for some. It does impact cognition, and emotions, and thus has had influence (not always positive) on the choices of a lot of young men and women still in their developmental phase. The old "gateway drug" claim is way over-exaggerated, but there is some measure of truth to it.






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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: something super extreme]
    #18575312 - 07/18/13 10:02 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I'm sure if mainstream started using psychedelics we'd hear about people going to the er and dying all the time.

Oh wait, no we wouldn't.:themoreyouknow:

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Konyap]
    #18575318 - 07/18/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I'm positive that you'd hear about it with much more frequency than you do now.
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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: something super extreme]
    #18575335 - 07/18/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)


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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: something super extreme]
    #18576727 - 07/18/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I'm sorry the shitbird made me fucking laugh, didn't expect it.

:ilold:

:lol:

Cidney and sVs got good points, I like it :heart:


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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Simplepowa]
    #18580837 - 07/19/13 01:17 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Just want to chime in because i read "the gateway drug" thang a few posts up.


I believe all drugs are gateway drugs, it just depends which one you try first...


Most people i know it's alcohol/tobacco. Myself included. I'd say alcohol and marijuana are the top two but who knows, it's probably a regional thing.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Apostle]
    #18583870 - 07/20/13 07:11 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

sVS true, but admit it, alcohol is the worse drug because so many people have the genetic potential for addiction.  NO other substance has been used historically in such large proportions within essentially every culture of the world.  Many cultures of the world are genetically predisposed to alcoholism.  I don't know many people or cultures who are genetically predisposed to taking LSD or psychedelic mushrooms everynight and getting in car accidents, killing people, or starting fights, all the other bullshit that goes along with the inflated ego/personality that alcohol seems to give most people. 

-I'm not gonna try and rebuttle every point you made in responding to me because I have shit to do today but:

-Alcohol is a depressant and makes you a fucking idiot, if you try arguing that, then you are a fucking idiot. 

-You must either be an alcoholic yourself defending it like that (or have never had loved ones injured/killed by drunk idiots) or a troll with a lot of time on your hands (Registered: 10/29/12
Posts: 7,623) to rebuttle essentially EVERYONE on the shroomery....either way you come off as a bit annoying and I see why you took your ratings away LOL.

Peace.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Rumblefishtwist]
    #18584031 - 07/20/13 08:48 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Rumblefishtwist said:
sVS true



I know.

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Rumblefishtwist said:
but admit it



No, because that's nothing but stupid bullshit, as I have already explained clearly.

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Rumblefishtwist said:
-I'm not gonna try and rebuttle every point you made in responding to me because I have shit to do today but:



Because you can't, not because you can't spare the extra 45 seconds out of your undoubtedly busy day.

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Rumblefishtwist said:
-Alcohol is a depressant 




When did anyone say otherwise, and how is this relevant?

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and makes you a fucking idiot, if you try arguing that, then you are a fucking idiot.



Idiots are already predisposed to idiocy regardless of alcohol. Nothing "makes" you an idiot besides poor self-control and stupid decisions.
I don't quite understand your need to get personal because of your inability to reason like a normal human, but it's pretty pathetic.

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Rumblefishtwist said:
-You must either be an alcoholic yourself defending it like that (or have never had loved ones injured/killed by drunk idiots) or a troll with a lot of time on your hands



I have a shred of common sense, an iota of self control, and a marked disdain for stupid bullshit.

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(Registered: 10/29/12
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Peace.




:shitbird:

Peace.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: something super extreme]
    #18584062 - 07/20/13 09:05 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Alcohol fucks up everybody's life. Heroin fucks up young peoples life. Cigarettes fuck up older peoples lives.

The only reason mushrooms were banned in Europe was cause some girl in france freaked out and jumped off a bridge. How many sober people do that a year in San Francisco? To top it out I watch vice and one company was  producing 8,000 pounds a year at least. That's half a million doses every single year.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: Konyap]
    #18584111 - 07/20/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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aiyobro said:
How many sober people do that a year in San Francisco?




About twenty-four, according to the coroner's report.
Ban bridges.

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Re: State must turn off the alcohol tap [Re: something super extreme]
    #18584169 - 07/20/13 09:37 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

No ones saying that, but you see why they shouldn't sell alcohol after certain times of day I hope.

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