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Offlinemattch1
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non nutritious casing?
    #1855408 - 08/27/03 05:31 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

What is the advantage of using a non-nutritious casing besides the fact that there is less chance of contamination? Seems as if some TEKs say to use just verm while some say to use coco-coir, peat moss, etc. Seems as thou flushes would be more and bigger with a nutritious casing as long as contams were controlled....
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Re: non nutritious casing? [Re: mattch1]
    #1855425 - 08/27/03 05:37 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

If you're new then do youself a favor and use only verm. I will work well and you will get some success under your belt. Not that the others aren't good but in my experience they are easier to get contams.


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Re: non nutritious casing? [Re: mattch1]
    #1855436 - 08/27/03 05:43 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

yea, non nutrient casings are where its at


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Re: non nutritious casing? [Re: mattch1]
    #1855808 - 08/27/03 07:26 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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What is the advantage of using a non-nutritious casing besides the fact that there is less chance of contamination?




It's not a question of advantage. Casings are NEVER nutritious. The goal of a casing is to make a hospitable environment for your target organism (the mycelium) and at the same time make an inhospitable environment for your potential contamination vectors (bacteria, competing fungi, worms, flies, whatever).

By the time you're ready to case your substrate, the mycelium already has plenty of food and has, for the most part, surrounded that food so that competitors can't get at it. It's also had a chance to grow and become strong and well-established so it's fairly well able to fight off contamination. This is why you can take the substrate out of its sterile jar and expose it to the environment once it's 100% colonized.

Now, remember that the casing should be friendly to mycelium but hostile to everything else. To do that, you have to leave out any trace of nutrients; the mycelium doesn't need it, it's got substrate to eat and only contamination vectors would benefit from nutrition in the casing. Adjusting the pH to one favoragle to mycelium also helps.

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Seems as if some TEKs say to use just verm while some say to use coco-coir, peat moss, etc. Seems as thou flushes would be more and bigger with a nutritious casing as long as contams were controlled....




None of the above, verm, peat, or coir have any significant nutritional value. That's why they work. If you added food to the casing, I promise you will be unable to control contamination short of killing the entire casing including the mycelium. It would be like leaving a dead fish in your living room and hoping to keep it from smelling bad by controlling the bacteria that would love to eat it; you wouldn't stand a chance.

Hope this makes sense...

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Re: non nutritious casing? [Re: Diploid]
    #1856079 - 08/27/03 08:52 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

In my casings I used 50/50 Peat Moss w/Vermiculite Ph balanced w/hydrated lime. I am a newbie even though I grew some in my closet when I was a teenager once, but they were my older brother's. I have a little understanding of shrooms through personal experience, hunting, and mass trippin'. To me it seems that a casing will be successful if the conditions are met for it's survival and productivity. By that I mean create outdoors indoors. What is soil made of? Tons of things! You can try a lot of different TEKS with success, but with what I've read and seen, 50/50 casing, millet seed, straw and dung are the best componets for a casing. I think people trip on the TEK too much. It's a guide line to be followed by the Newbie from the veteran. Read the posts, stick to the TEK and save the trippin' for after ingestion! My opinion, what do U vetz think?


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Re: non nutritious casing? [Re: Diploid]
    #1858316 - 08/28/03 10:19 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Nice explanation, Diploid :wink:



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