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Offlinekaleidiscope
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Requesting an ID (Picture included)
    #1855012 - 08/27/03 03:26 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Hi, this is a pretty old picture of some shrooms that were found this past May (late May) and I was unsure if they were shrooms or not. Obviously I didn't keep them or eat them, but I do remember where I found them.

Habitat: Cow pasture growing out of cow dung
Gill characteristics: can be seen in picture
Measurements: rather small, 3-9" tall, 3mm thick (approx)
Stem: hollow, thin, white (as seen in picture)
Cap: can be seen in picture
Spore print color: This is where I want to kick myself. Since I had doubts at the time and was only there for a day, I never took spore prints. All mushrooms found that day were thrown away.
Brusing color: Did not seem to bruise

These shrooms look an awful lot like the Copelandia cyanescens shown here: www.shroomery.org/images/23488/70977-good_cope.jpg .

I am just needing an ID to see if these really are them, or just a look-alike. Thanks.

Here is the pic:



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Re: Requesting an ID (Picture included) [Re: kaleidiscope]
    #1855132 - 08/27/03 04:08 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Whoa mama, that is a nice Copelandia photo you linked;




The ones in your image here;

-They are not Copelandia cyanescens.
-It looks like a mixed collection, at least 2 species in there;
-And most of them are definately a type of Panaeolus mushroom..
-What state did you find them in?
-Typically subbalteatus do not grow often from cow dung, they prefer horse dung.
-It looks like one of the mushrooms (at the bottom of the picture 6 o?clock) has some bluing at the base of the stems mycelium.
-They could be Panaeolus subbalteatus (if that bluing on that one stem is true blue), a second guess would be the non-active Panaeolus papilionaceus.

Keep shroomin,
GGreatOne234


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Re: Requesting an ID (Picture included) [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #1855173 - 08/27/03 04:20 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i found them in the mountains of NC in a cow pasture... i'm not sure if horses graze there as well, but I didn't see any. They weren't really growing straight out of cow patties, but were around it a lot, and some of them were just growing out of the grass (but a few were found in manure). And you are right, there is bluing present - something I never really noticed before. There is also some blueing on the stem on the bottom right (or so it seems). What would the chances be that these are hallucinogenic and edible?


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Re: Requesting an ID (Picture included) [Re: kaleidiscope]
    #1855197 - 08/27/03 04:26 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Well i see at least 2 other mushrooms mixed into the collection and they are not even appearing to be Panaeolus mushrooms;
-So, when people come in with mixed collections of mushrooms, none of them should be considered psychoactive, yet, until they learn to seperate the species, otherwise it is just a shot in the dark.

Yeah, i think ya got subbies there though;

Lizard King is our subb expert.

Keep shroomin,
GG


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Re: Requesting an ID (Picture included) [Re: kaleidiscope]
    #1855203 - 08/27/03 04:27 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The two other mushrooms could be potentially toxic.
-do you see which 2 i'm talking about?


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Re: Requesting an ID (Picture included) [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #1855377 - 08/27/03 05:19 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Which ones are you talking about? The only ones I see that may be different are the ones with whiter caps than the rest of them.


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Re: Requesting an ID (Picture included) [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #1855383 - 08/27/03 05:21 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The ones he's refering to are on the bottom, with top of caps showing. Theres 3 on the very bottom with their caps showing, the one in the middle is like the rest, the 2 shrooms beside it look different. The one on the left has a pure white stem, and the one on the right is laying gill side down, no stem showing. There seems to be bluing on the edjes of one of the caps.. GreatOne are these the 2 mushrooms you are refering to?


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Re: Requesting an ID (Picture included) [Re: kaleidiscope]
    #1855806 - 08/27/03 07:25 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Most of the mushrooms (The ones with the darker stalks) look to be Panaeolus subbalteatus....Which are active.

There is 2-3 mushrooms which are a different species in there.

It appears that the darker mushrooms which could possibly be subbalteatus have a slightly bluish hue to the mycelium at the base of the stem.

Id go back sometime after some rains and see if you can find them again, and take some pictures.


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Re: Requesting an ID (Picture included) [Re: angryshroom]
    #1855947 - 08/27/03 08:14 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I think I know which ones you are talking about... I will have to go back to this field sometime and check things out again... I checked the Active Shrooms listed on this site, and it seems as though the subbalteatus aren't very potent... Has anyone else tried them, and if so, what is the trip like?


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Re: Requesting an ID (Picture included) [Re: kaleidiscope]
    #1856899 - 08/28/03 12:03 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

the only 2 muhrooms i see in that picture which i cannot promise you are active pans are the mushroom in the lower lift quadrant on its side, and the one cap-up in the lower right.
the rest are all active pans, i do beleive with little doubt that the rest are a single speceis, ive found these many times, i find they vary in structure and substrate makedly from panaeolus subbaltaetus, they also are more grey in the caps when they are still banded as opposed to the fawn/indian red warmth of pan subbs, the gills also appear more grey and blotchy.
heres some examples of the phenomenon im describing

here they are on the right, pan subb on the left, the subbs were from composted stable shavings, the others were on dung

heres the big one on dung

two )these particular one grew on stable shavings many months later and miles away

in the hand

three distinct speceis. the first speceis (also unidentified) is below  these are innactive, at least in the large-sscale bioassay sense, take my word for it.





now compare to genuine pan subbs picked several yards away the same day on different substrate.





the grey species differ in that the stems are lighter, the gills more spaced, the (of course) lack of red pigment, the gills (not shown) are lighter, blotchy even, and this mushroom is almost always on dung.

it IS active, but noticably weaker than pan subb. ive eaten alot, i know.  im pretty sure its a different speceis.

and since when is lizardking our subb guy? hes already the weilii guy, let someone else be the sub guy :smile: like me maybe :smile:


remember THIS? :smile:


nudge nudge :smile:


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Re: Requesting an ID (Picture included) [Re: Mitchnast]
    #1858470 - 08/28/03 11:39 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Well that about says it all. Looks like you found yourself some good panaeolus subbalteatus,,, or like mitchnast said a similar active species of pann... Hope you remember how to get back to the spot... good luck....

Those 2 light colored ones are pretty distinctly not of the same species as the rest....


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Re: Requesting an ID (Picture included) [Re: Mitchnast]
    #1858528 - 08/28/03 12:10 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Mitchnast, i am so sorry,  :smile:, you're the subb-guy,
-The lizard is the weilii-guy,
-I'm the copelandia-guy :lol:
-We're all fun-guys,
-Sorry man, my bad, i forgot about ya :grin:

Keep shroomin,
GG :heartpump: :heartpump: :heartpump: :heartpump: 


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