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Re: Synthetic Drug 'Bath Salts' Trumps Methamphetamine In Addictiveness, Study Finds [Re: Apostle]
    #18562525 - 07/15/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

I like where this is going

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Re: Synthetic Drug 'Bath Salts' Trumps Methamphetamine In Addictiveness, Study Finds [Re: Apostle]
    #18562634 - 07/15/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Well, Kratom is an opiate, but the withdrawal and addiction associated with it are universally described as much less severe than with any of the drugs derived from the opium poppy.

I talk to many opiate users in the WCA thread and they all agree Kratom is extremely gentle compared to "real " opiate withdrawal, and many users report using Kratom daily for months and quitting cold turkey with no withdrawal at all , which is unheard of with opium poppy derived drugs.


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Re: Synthetic Drug 'Bath Salts' Trumps Methamphetamine In Addictiveness, Study Finds [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18562888 - 07/15/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Let me know how it works out for you. In your case i'd be more worried about the etiz but, as i'm sure you know by now, i could care less what anyone ingests.

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Re: Synthetic Drug 'Bath Salts' Trumps Methamphetamine In Addictiveness, Study Finds [Re: Apostle]
    #18563048 - 07/15/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, Kratom doesn't worry me much although I do make sure to take regular days off to prevent dependence.

I'm much more concerned about benzo dependence. For that reason I always wait at least seven full days after using clonazepam before using it or another GABA agonist again. With etizolam I wait at least three days before using it or another GABA agonist again .

The reason the break is shorter with etizolam is because the half life of etizolam is much shorter than the half life of clonazepam , and etizolam is less addicting overall .


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Re: Synthetic Drug 'Bath Salts' Trumps Methamphetamine In Addictiveness, Study Finds [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18563058 - 07/15/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm much more concerned about benzo dependence. 



Ditto.

luckily i don't even enjoy it enough to want to use them daily, or at all really. but if i want a beer or something i'll just pop a benzy or drink a beer. lol.


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Re: Synthetic Drug 'Bath Salts' Trumps Methamphetamine In Addictiveness, Study Finds [Re: Apostle]
    #18563099 - 07/15/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, I use benzos as an alternative to alcohol , like if I'm going to a social event where I know everyone will be drinking, I take clonazepam or etizolam instead. I think alcohol is much harder on the brain and body then benzos  when used occasionally . Benzos on there own (not mixed with alcohol or opiates) are actually very safe except if dependence develops in which case they are extremely dangerous, but alcohol dependence is too.


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