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Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: Nature Boy]
#18545629 - 07/11/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said: Graham Hancock wrote a 720 page book on this very topic called Supernatural. Extremely well researched. He discusses the form constants seen in Paleolithic caves and nearly identical cave art imagery on every continent of the planet.
To me, it is the definitive work on the topic.
N.B.
OK...time to read Food of the God's again And perhaps pick up Graham Hancock's work too...Thanks Nature Boy
( I love this website, especially for conversations like this)
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Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: McNel]
#18545940 - 07/11/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Didn't mckenna have a similar theory? I'm not sure I take terences opinion, however I will say it is an incredible coincidence humans have neural pathways to utilise these chemicals.
That we don't find them toxic at active doses might suggest our brain's adaptability over time. Maybe even gaining an affinity for them.
Whether under dietary stresses as mckenna suggests, or to gain a glimpse in the ineffable, its certainly possible we have evolved alongside nature and her gifts.
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Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: xoanon]
#18546016 - 07/11/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hogwash, this theory is cabbage.
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Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: xoanon]
#18546249 - 07/11/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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McKenna's theory was the Stoned-ape theory.
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Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: McNel]
#18546278 - 07/11/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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the study of psychedelics currently depends entirely on applying to the DEA I believe (or fda?) for a permit to study such. They might as well be awarded arbitarily (i don't know).
Rick Strassman got one easily for his DMT - the Spirit Molecule study by deciding to study simple effects- bloodpressre, heart rate, etc..
It's the psychiatry that has gotten the bad rap due to Tim Leary, etc.... But they are still awarding such permits for end-of-life terminal illness therapy and alcoholism studies.... I've read of a few. It's only for the synthetic ones though - lsd and synthetic psilocybin. The DMT from the spirit molecule was synthetic. If someone could convince them to allow ayahuasca studies that'd be amazing.
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Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: screamphilling]
#18546815 - 07/12/13 12:33 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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what always boggles my mind were the first people to decide to eat mushrooms. some are toxic, some are edible, some are hallucinogenic, boggles my mind how poeple died figuring out what to eat for food and when they realized that psilos are not just food but mind altering 
i guaranty you that when they figure this out, EVERYONE was on the hunt!
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Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: tealeaf]
#18547605 - 07/12/13 06:33 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... *DELETED* [Re: Toe_Jam]
#18547697 - 07/12/13 07:22 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: Sillyputty67]
#18548687 - 07/12/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Any psychedelic that dialates your pupils improves your vision. I have nearly no depth perception. When I take shrooms the world magically becomes 3d because my vision improves.
Personally, any size dose of any psychedelic makes it harder for me to focus for any length of time. Also, it seems to dampen my vision as well, that's why I am skeptical about it.
And anyway, that wasn't the point. The point was that even if the drug does improve vision (and I can say from experience that it doesn't affect all people this way) I seriously doubt that had any kind of impact on evolution, much less the major changes that took place for human consciousness to develop.
And the large pupil theory you just expounded works two ways, in low light situation one may see better than normal, but in full sunlight it would allow way too much light into the eye and your vision would then be hampered, i.e. way too bright.
Nice try though.
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Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... *DELETED* [Re: Toe_Jam]
#18548765 - 07/12/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Edited by Sillyputty67 (07/12/13 01:08 PM)
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Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: Sillyputty67]
#18548830 - 07/12/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Eating handfuls of wet shrooms every other day for a few weeks will do this to you. lol
It also does this to you...
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Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... *DELETED* [Re: Hashfinger]
#18548867 - 07/12/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: Sillyputty67]
#18548886 - 07/12/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Any psychedelic that dialates your pupils improves your vision. I have nearly no depth perception. When I take shrooms the world magically becomes 3d because my vision improves.
False. The outer reaches of the cornea introduce the worst spherical abberation and the central part of the cornea and lens have the best optical performance. Consequently, when your pupil is SMALL and only the center-most portions of these structures contribute to vision is when your visual acuity is at its absolute best. BRIGHT light and small pupils is equal to good vision!!
The phenomena you are describing is a perception which is a product of the visual cortex (brain) NOT the eye.
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Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: Nature Boy]
#18548895 - 07/12/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Im not doubting that. I just know it seems i can see better, day or night.
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Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: Sillyputty67]
#18548911 - 07/12/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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I get that from DMT! Depth perception seems to be far, far deeper than normal, then slowly normalizes. The phenomena you describe is absoultely REAL - it just is not a product of the eye and retina.
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Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: Nature Boy]
#18549180 - 07/12/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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I postulate that if people integrate psychedelic mushrooms in their daily diet, they will stop tripping from them, be less depressed, be more open minded, and also have the immunities of the fungus.
I dont think mushrooms are bad for you at all. Recently I read an article that the cascading patterns of synatpic firing caused by psychedelic chemicals cause new synaptic pathways to be formed. This in essence makes you smarter. I dont wish to argue the point, as this was just the gist of the article.
Seriously these mushrooms being made illegal to us is a breech of our human rights. These chemicals co-evolved with us. The fungus evolved these chemicals to attract our attention, so that we spread its spores.
Just like fruit and birds. Its like telling a bird not to touch that tree.
Just like marijuana and humans.
Now im going to deviate from science to philosophy. Nature provided us these gifts so that we could be more conscious. We are the universe evolving to perceive itself. We are one.
The only reason people freek out while tripping, is because of the lies they believed up to the point the trip told them otherwise.
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Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: Sillyputty67]
#18549990 - 07/12/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'd me more interested about the epigenetic effects on gene expression that regular, widespread, possibly lifelong, dosing of psychedelics could have over many, many generations of a small populace.
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Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: Sillyputty67]
#18550002 - 07/12/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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malicom said: If you say so. I build Linux supercomputers for fun, and host a Vsphere server farm. Build lasers, satellite dishes, and LED arrays. If mushrooms make you , im evidence otherwise. Last i knew a couldnt build an openmosix or beowulf cluster.....
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Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: Coolwhip]
#18550007 - 07/12/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Coolwhip said: I'd me more interested about the epigenetic effects on gene expression that regular, widespread, possibly lifelong, dosing of psychedelics could have over many, many generations of a small populace.
 Loves me some epigenetics.
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#18550015 - 07/12/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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