|
screamphilling
Stranger


Registered: 05/30/08
Posts: 212
Last seen: 3 years, 6 months
|
Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory...
#18543205 - 07/11/13 09:20 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory for Why They Might Have Been
Science finds evidence of a biological-hallucinogenic basis for seeing geometric patterns.
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/paleolithic-cave-painters-were-high-psychedelic-drugs-scientists-suggest-using-ingenious
July 8, 2013 | Prehistoric cave paintings across the continents have similar geometric patterns not because early humans were learning to draw like Paleolithic pre-schoolers, but because they were high on drugs, and their brains—like ours—have a biological predisposition to "see" certain patterns, especially during consciousness altering states.
This thesis—that humanity’s earliest artists were not just reeling due to mind-altering activities, but deliberately sought those elevated states and gave greater meaning to those common visions—is the contention of a new paper by an international research team.
Their thesis intriguingly explores the “biologically embodied mind,” which they contend gave rise to similarities in Paleolithic art across the continents dating back 40,000 years, and can also be seen in the body painting patterns dating back even further, according to recent archelogical discoveries.
At its core, this theory challenges the long-held notion that the earliest art and atrists were merely trying to draw the external world. Instead, it sees cave art as a deliberate mix of rituals inducing altered states for participants, coupled with brain chemistry that elicits certain visual patterns for humanity’s early chroniclers.
Put another way, if Jackson Pollock could get drunk and make his splatter paintings while his his head was spinning, primitive men and women could eat pyschedelic plants and commence painting on cave walls—in part, presenting the patterns prompted by brain biochemistry but seen as having super-sensory significance.
“The prevalence of certain geometric patterns in the symbolic material culture of many prehistoric cultures, starting shortly after the emergence of our biological species and continuing in some indigenous cultures until today, is explained in terms of the characteristic contents of biologically determined hallucinatory experience,” the researchers hypothesize.
Of course, you can’t just posit that cave painters were doing prehistoric drugs without raising a few questions, such as why they gravitated—and kept gravitating—to the same kinds of shapes? The scientists start by citing decades-old research exploring drug use in indigenous cultures that suggest some hallucinations are induced by the brain seeing “neural” patterns—literally the cellular structure of brains.
“Researchers also generally claim that the geometric hallucinations experienced by the subject are mental representations of these neural patterns,” they write. “However, while these neural models are capable of reproducing some of the geometric patterns that are found in prehistoric art and non-ordinary visual experiences, their range remains severely limited.”
So brain biology plays a role, but it’s not enough to account for ancient pop art taste and trends! The brain might be generating the same kinds of patterns, but the early artist-shamans went further. Like many consciousness-exploring humans today, apparently they not only liked what they saw and created rituals to inspire their art, but they also believed that what they saw was more special than than the grind of their daily lives.
“We speculate that the self-sustaining dynamics may account for why these geometric hallucinations were experienced as more significant than other phenomena, and that at the same time their underlying neural dynamics may have served to mediate and facilitate a form of imaginary sense-making that is not bound to immediate surroundings,” the scientists say.
Translated, that knotty sentence comes down to this: The cave painters had rituals that involved taking drugs (undoubtedly plants) that they consumed in a frenzy to get to this creative state. This behavior and the same results were noted by 1960s-era academics studying the effects of peyote, a hallucinogenic cactus found in North America.
“The non-ordinary visual experiences were often characterized by similar kinds of abstract geometric patterns, which he classified into four categories of form constants: (1) gratings, lattices, fretworks, filigrees, honeycombs, and checkerboards; (2) cobwebs; (3) tunnels and funnels, alleys, cones, vessels; and (4) spirals,” they write, citing peyote research. “Intriguingly, these form constants turned out to resemble many of the abstract motifs that are often associated with prehistoric art from around the world, including Paleolithic cave art in Europe.”
But why would people across continents and cultures be drawn to record the same shapes?
“Of course, it still remains to be explained why these particular motifs were highly regarded by the artists and how these people became artists capable of symbolic expression in the first place,” they write. “It makes sense to investigate whether the biological mechanisms underlying the production of these visual phenomena is amenable to an analysis in terms of Turing instabilities [a scientific name for biochemical reaction in the brain that ties it to a propensity for certain patterns].”
The paper gets very technical, but the images that are said to be generated by specific neural centers tied to images do resemble the templates for lots of 1960s poster artists, such as Peter Max and San Francisco’s psychedelic rock scene.
Why did they gravitate to these patterns? Because the imagery was seen or sensed while having a super-sensory experience and therefore seemed to be imbued with cosmic significance. Put another way, people who are high as kites tend to find magic in simple details.
“When these visual patterns are seen during altered states of consciousness they are directly experienced as highly charged with significance,” they posit. “In other words, the patterns are directly perceived as somehow meaningful and thereby offer themselves as salient motifs for use in rituals.”
The scientists admit that straighter-laced science is not quite ready for this explanation.
“Clearly, neurophenomenology is currently not advanced enough to explain the particular content of these experiences, but it does successfully explain why the experiences are characterized by such an intensely felt significance,” they write.
The paper is fascinating. For one, if it’s true—and why not?—one can posit that humanity has evolved. All one needs to do is open a book on the art from the ongoing Burning Man festivals in the Nevada desert. Much of the expression there seems to be a consequence of a deliberate process of consciousness-expanding ritual and subsequent creartivity. And compared to cave walls, it’s a bit more diverse and rarified.
Edited by screamphilling (07/11/13 09:24 AM)
|
tealeaf
Just Touch It


Registered: 09/21/06
Posts: 2,907
|
Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: screamphilling]
#18543273 - 07/11/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
so the theory is that they got gonzo spun out and then instinctily began creating art 
Quote:
“The non-ordinary visual experiences were often characterized by similar kinds of abstract geometric patterns, which he classified into four categories of form constants: (1) gratings, lattices, fretworks, filigrees, honeycombs, and checkerboards; (2) cobwebs; (3) tunnels and funnels, alleys, cones, vessels; and (4) spirals,” they write, citing peyote research.
as i read it, the researchers took a bunch of peyote, recognized geometric patterns, and then are hypothesizing that these paleolithic dudes were trying to recreate their hallucinations on cave walls?
i think its a mix of them trying to recreate what they saw around them and also record experienced that happened to them. i dont doubt that early humans tripped all over the world, you would have to be ignorant of nature to not see that, its not like cactus and mushrooms developed their species in the last 1000 years
Edited by tealeaf (07/11/13 09:58 AM)
|
Hashfinger
Nippy Wiffle



Registered: 07/10/12
Posts: 4,775
Loc: Georgia
Last seen: 5 years, 11 months
|
Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: tealeaf]
#18543450 - 07/11/13 10:40 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
They should look at what substances the culture(s) were using to produce the art. I feel like each substance has its own signature that can be seen in its visuals which would carry into artistic patterns.
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
|
McNel


Registered: 09/03/10
Posts: 311
Last seen: 1 day, 12 hours
|
Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: Hashfinger]
#18544034 - 07/11/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Possible cover to bypass laws for studying psychedelics?
I mean i know it's more about the neurological side of things and honestly I don't have a clue how the laws work when it comes to substance study, but who knows, maybe they found a loop-hole. could be cool.
|
Nature Boy
Stranger than most



Registered: 07/09/07
Posts: 8,246
Loc: Samsara
Last seen: 2 months, 5 days
|
Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: screamphilling]
#18544575 - 07/11/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
This proposal / theory has been around for decades. Every once in a while, it gets "re-discovered". Personally, I subscribe to the theory, I'm just surprised every time it comes around, seemingly as a new idea.
N.B.
-------------------- All submitted posts under this user name are works of pure fiction or outright lies. Any information, statement, or assertion contained therein should be considered pure unadulterated bullshit. Note well: Sorry, but I do not answer PM's unless you are a long-time trusted friend. If you have a question, ask it in the appropriate thread.
|
my3rdeye



Registered: 08/10/12
Posts: 4,354
Loc: Canada
Last seen: 3 years, 16 days
|
Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: Nature Boy]
#18544666 - 07/11/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
It would be awesome if they discovered a cave fractal.
|
ELP420
Stranger


Registered: 10/23/12
Posts: 56
Last seen: 10 years, 3 months
|
Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: my3rdeye]
#18544888 - 07/11/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
very crazy, not sure if i believe it all but worth the watch. maybe the drawings have something to do with our elevated consciousness?
--------------------
|
Mushie23
Entheogens



Registered: 11/19/10
Posts: 789
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 8 years, 1 month
|
Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: ELP420]
#18545118 - 07/11/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Terence Mckenna's "Food of the God's" book gives some good insight on this...
-------------------- Eat Mushrooms----plug into life and nature.
|
Toe_Jam
Bluefoot Bandit



Registered: 04/15/10
Posts: 3,693
Loc: Around some corner...
|
Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: Mushie23]
#18545376 - 07/11/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Mushie23 said: Terence Mckenna's "Food of the God's" book gives some good insight on this...
Food of the Gods is an interesting read. Complete bullshit, but interesting.
T.M. Claims that the evolutionary processes that started human consciousness were catalyzied by Psilocin, from Psilocybe Cubensis in particular. He makes wild claims like low amounts of Psilocin improve eyesight (have no idea why he thought this) and so those who ate some mushrooms would make more successful hunters, therefor they would be more likely to procreate and pass on their trippy ass genes... Yeah...
Also in that book he claims all religion more or less stems from an original "mushroom cult".

Interesting though. I do have some respect for the man who pretty much figured out the earliest version of "PF tek", don't get me wrong. He was batshit insane sometimes though.
But back to the topic, can anyone say that the people who made this ancient Irish monument had never eaten some P. Semilanceata?
|
Hashfinger
Nippy Wiffle



Registered: 07/10/12
Posts: 4,775
Loc: Georgia
Last seen: 5 years, 11 months
|
Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: Toe_Jam]
#18545460 - 07/11/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Toe_Jam said:
Quote:
Mushie23 said: Terence Mckenna's "Food of the God's" book gives some good insight on this...
Food of the Gods is an interesting read. Complete bullshit, but interesting.
T.M. Claims that the evolutionary processes that started human consciousness were catalyzied by Psilocin, from Psilocybe Cubensis in particular. He makes wild claims like low amounts of Psilocin improve eyesight (have no idea why he thought this) and so those who ate some mushrooms would make more successful hunters, therefor they would be more likely to procreate and pass on their trippy ass genes... Yeah...
Also in that book he claims all religion more or less stems from an original "mushroom cult".

Interesting though. I do have some respect for the man who pretty much figured out the earliest version of "PF tek", don't get me wrong. He was batshit insane sometimes though.
But back to the topic, can anyone say that the people who made this ancient Irish monument had never eaten some P. Semilanceata?

Look up the Phaistos (sp.?) disk. I think the celts were Lib eaters. Lol
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
|
deadohiosky
1x


Registered: 01/30/06
Posts: 136
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
|
Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: ELP420]
#18545494 - 07/11/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Only watched 25 mins of the video,but it was right up my alley
-------------------- Making my pupils grow wider to see through you.
|
Mushie23
Entheogens



Registered: 11/19/10
Posts: 789
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 8 years, 1 month
|
Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: Toe_Jam]
#18545517 - 07/11/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Toe_Jam said:
Quote:
Mushie23 said: Terence Mckenna's "Food of the God's" book gives some good insight on this...
Food of the Gods is an interesting read. Complete bullshit, but interesting.
T.M. Claims that the evolutionary processes that started human consciousness were catalyzied by Psilocin, from Psilocybe Cubensis in particular. He makes wild claims like low amounts of Psilocin improve eyesight (have no idea why he thought this) and so those who ate some mushrooms would make more successful hunters, therefor they would be more likely to procreate and pass on their trippy ass genes... Yeah...
Also in that book he claims all religion more or less stems from an original "mushroom cult".

Interesting though. I do have some respect for the man who pretty much figured out the earliest version of "PF tek", don't get me wrong. He was batshit insane sometimes though.
But back to the topic, can anyone say that the people who made this ancient Irish monument had never eaten some P. Semilanceata?

Not sure about complete bullshit. Not enough research has been done on the mushroom. The more it gets researched, the more Terence may no longer be "complete bullshit". I don't know of anyone else that has put the amount of time into psilocybin mushrooms like Mckenna has... I'd trust Terence's word over any of the bullshit that the media feeds us about mushrooms.
-------------------- Eat Mushrooms----plug into life and nature.
|
Toe_Jam
Bluefoot Bandit



Registered: 04/15/10
Posts: 3,693
Loc: Around some corner...
|
Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: Mushie23]
#18545538 - 07/11/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Mushie23 said:
Not sure about complete bullshit. Not enough research has been done on the mushroom. The more it gets researched, the more Terence may no longer be "complete bullshit". I don't know of anyone else that has put the amount of time into psilocybin mushrooms like Mckenna has... I'd trust Terence's word over any of the bullshit that the media feeds us.
Have you ever read True Hallucinations?
T.M. and Dennis try to reach another plane of existing by bringing a pile of cow shit with a live cube on it into their sleeping area and humming at different frequencies.
Can you honestly say you believe Psilocin was the catalyst for human consciousness? If so, I daresay you are greatly underestimating Homo Sapiens.......
-------------------- God lay his finger at the Mouth of the Serpent March 1984   A pleasing land of drowsy head it was, Of dreams that wave before the half-shut eye, And of gay castles in the clouds that pass, For ever flushing round a summer sky. -Castle of Indolence
|
Hashfinger
Nippy Wiffle



Registered: 07/10/12
Posts: 4,775
Loc: Georgia
Last seen: 5 years, 11 months
|
Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: Mushie23]
#18545541 - 07/11/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Terence was quoting a scientist when he said sub-threshold doses of Psilocybin induce visual acuity. I forget his name, but he was definitely quoting another source. Also, it was John Allegro who came up with the original theory about mushroom cults and how religions and Man's sense of spirituality stemmed from the use of entheogens. His claim lay heavily upon the Soma sacrament and Fly Agaric use by the Aryans, but I think Terence really took something from his ideas about the origins of religion and mysticism.
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
|
Toe_Jam
Bluefoot Bandit



Registered: 04/15/10
Posts: 3,693
Loc: Around some corner...
|
Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: Hashfinger]
#18545564 - 07/11/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Hashfinger said: Terence was quoting a scientist when he said sub-threshold doses of Psilocybin induce visual acuity. I forget his name, but he was definitely quoting another source. Also, it was John Allegro who came up with the original theory about mushroom cults and how religions and Man's sense of spirituality stemmed from the use of entheogens. His claim lay heavily upon the Soma sacrament and Fly Agaric use by the Aryans, but I think Terence really took something from his ideas about the origins of religion and mysticism.
I'm sure he had sources, I don't doubt that. But can you say you actually believe most of the stuff he said?
He was a genius, but in an idiot savant kind of bumbling way.
He was hardheaded and idealistic, not realistic.
Too big a pill for me to swallow. I'm sure Psilocin influenced religion, it didn't start it. As for the brief period where one's eyesight would be "improved" affecting the overall genepool, well.... Mushrooms aren't always around. I don't think they would help enough to influence evolution.
-------------------- God lay his finger at the Mouth of the Serpent March 1984   A pleasing land of drowsy head it was, Of dreams that wave before the half-shut eye, And of gay castles in the clouds that pass, For ever flushing round a summer sky. -Castle of Indolence
|
Hashfinger
Nippy Wiffle



Registered: 07/10/12
Posts: 4,775
Loc: Georgia
Last seen: 5 years, 11 months
|
Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: Toe_Jam]
#18545590 - 07/11/13 07:30 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Toe_Jam said:
Quote:
Hashfinger said: Terence was quoting a scientist when he said sub-threshold doses of Psilocybin induce visual acuity. I forget his name, but he was definitely quoting another source. Also, it was John Allegro who came up with the original theory about mushroom cults and how religions and Man's sense of spirituality stemmed from the use of entheogens. His claim lay heavily upon the Soma sacrament and Fly Agaric use by the Aryans, but I think Terence really took something from his ideas about the origins of religion and mysticism.
I'm sure he had sources, I don't doubt that. But can you say you actually believe most of the stuff he said?
He was a genius, but in an idiot savant kind of bumbling way.
He was hardheaded and idealistic, not realistic.
Too big a pill for me to swallow. I'm sure Psilocin influenced religion, it didn't start it. As for the brief period where one's eyesight would be "improved" affecting the overall genepool, well.... Mushrooms aren't always around. I don't think they would help enough to influence evolution.
I love what Terence was in his time... Such a character. Wish I could have met him in person because I feel like a lot of his messages either get blown out of proportion or are taken the wrong way. I have my own questions I'd love to ask him! But no, I don't believe half of what he says, but the other half is so true in many aspects that you can't just label him crazy and dismiss the man... We can all sit back with a doobie and appreciate some of what he's got to say. Also, check out Dennis McKenna. I like that he had a brother. Kind of balances out the mind of Terence when you have his antithesis, Dennis, and his more grounded logic. Terence was very spacey but went where many just couldn't handle to go... Into the weirdness.
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
|
Nature Boy
Stranger than most



Registered: 07/09/07
Posts: 8,246
Loc: Samsara
Last seen: 2 months, 5 days
|
Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: screamphilling]
#18545592 - 07/11/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Graham Hancock wrote a 720 page book on this very topic called Supernatural. Extremely well researched. He discusses the form constants seen in Paleolithic caves and nearly identical cave art imagery on every continent of the planet.
To me, it is the definitive work on the topic.
N.B.
-------------------- All submitted posts under this user name are works of pure fiction or outright lies. Any information, statement, or assertion contained therein should be considered pure unadulterated bullshit. Note well: Sorry, but I do not answer PM's unless you are a long-time trusted friend. If you have a question, ask it in the appropriate thread.
|
Hashfinger
Nippy Wiffle



Registered: 07/10/12
Posts: 4,775
Loc: Georgia
Last seen: 5 years, 11 months
|
Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: Nature Boy]
#18545611 - 07/11/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Nature Boy said: Graham Hancock wrote a 720 page book on this very topic called Supernatural. Extremely well researched. He discusses the form constants seen in Paleolithic caves and nearly identical cave art imagery on every continent of the planet.
To me, it is the definitive work on the topic.
N.B.
Hey thanks man I was just talking to someone about GH. I need to get my hands on more of his stuff.
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
|
Toe_Jam
Bluefoot Bandit



Registered: 04/15/10
Posts: 3,693
Loc: Around some corner...
|
Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: Hashfinger]
#18545613 - 07/11/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Nature Boy said: Graham Hancock wrote a 720 page book on this very topic called Supernatural. Extremely well researched. He discusses the form constants seen in Paleolithic caves and nearly identical cave art imagery on every continent of the planet.
To me, it is the definitive work on the topic.
N.B.
Heh, my Drug Nerd colors are showing, read that one too.
Also very interesting.Quote:
Hashfinger said:
Quote:
Toe_Jam said: I love what Terence was in his time... Such a character. Wish I could have met him ... I have my own questions I'd love to ask him! ... I don't believe half of what he says, but the other half is so true in many aspects that you can't just label him crazy and dismiss the man... We can all sit back with a doobie and appreciate some of what he's got to say. ... Terence ...went where many just couldn't handle to go... Into the weirdness.
Definitely, pretty much sums up my view of him, I have mad respect for him, don't get me wrong. He just had some wild ass theories, I mean, we all have them to some extent I think (especially on this site), but yeah, exactly, he was brave enough to be called a crazy mofo to try to find out the truth.
I'm pretty sure he got closer than most.
-------------------- God lay his finger at the Mouth of the Serpent March 1984   A pleasing land of drowsy head it was, Of dreams that wave before the half-shut eye, And of gay castles in the clouds that pass, For ever flushing round a summer sky. -Castle of Indolence
|
Hashfinger
Nippy Wiffle



Registered: 07/10/12
Posts: 4,775
Loc: Georgia
Last seen: 5 years, 11 months
|
Re: Were Paleolithic Cave Painters High on Psychedelic Drugs? Scientists Propose Ingenious Theory... [Re: Toe_Jam]
#18545626 - 07/11/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Toe_Jam said:
Quote:
Nature Boy said: Graham Hancock wrote a 720 page book on this very topic called Supernatural. Extremely well researched. He discusses the form constants seen in Paleolithic caves and nearly identical cave art imagery on every continent of the planet.
To me, it is the definitive work on the topic.
N.B.
Heh, my Drug Nerd colors are showing, read that one too.
Also very interesting.Quote:
Hashfinger said:
Quote:
Toe_Jam said: I love what Terence was in his time... Such a character. Wish I could have met him ... I have my own questions I'd love to ask him! ... I don't believe half of what he says, but the other half is so true in many aspects that you can't just label him crazy and dismiss the man... We can all sit back with a doobie and appreciate some of what he's got to say. ... Terence ...went where many just couldn't handle to go... Into the weirdness.
Definitely, pretty much sums up my view of him, I have mad respect for him, don't get me wrong. He just had some wild ass theories, I mean, we all have them to some extent I think (especially on this site), but yeah, exactly, he was brave enough to be called a crazy mofo to try to find out the truth.
I'm pretty sure he got closer than most.
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
|
|