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1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival
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QUINCY, Wash. -- One person died and more than 100 people were hospitalized after apparently overdosing on drugs during a music festival at the Gorge Amphitheatre over the weekend.
Officials said someone at the Paradiso Festival was peddling a drug promoted as ecstasy, but was actually "Molly," a powerful form of ecstasy sometimes mixed with other drugs.
Many of the people who took the drug overdosed, and local hospitals were overwhelmed with patients.
Sarina Fahrner, the chief nursing officer at Quincy Valley Medical Center, said the hospital treated more than 100 overdose patients from the concert, all of whom took the drug Molly.
"When you have cocaine and LSD and meth all mixed together, it just does terrible things to your body," she said. "Your heart doesn't tolerate it very well, your breathing does not tolerative it very well."
She said the overdose patients ranged in age from 18 to 26 years old.
Fahrner said Quincy Valley Medical Center is the closest hospital to the Gorge Amphitheatre, so they often treat people who overdose on drugs during concerts. But this weekend was the worst they've seen as far as the number of patients, she said.
She said several of the patients were critically ill and had to be sent to other hospitals for treatment in intensive-care units.
Shawn Wertman, the supervisor at Central Washington Hospital in Wenatchee, said his hospital received the most seriously-ill patients, including a young man who died early Sunday of an apparent overdose.
The name of the man who died has not been released.
Officials with the Gorge Amphitheatre and Live Nation Entertainment could not be reached for comment on Sunday.
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"When you have cocaine and LSD and meth all mixed together, it just does terrible things to your body," she said. "Your heart doesn't tolerate it very well, your breathing does not tolerative it very well."
Can i quote this again?
Edit* Link http://www.komonews.com/news/local/1-dead-dozens-hospitalized-after-drug-overdoses-at-Paradiso-Festival-Gorge-Amphitheatre-213783041.html?tab=video&m=y&smobile=y
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: MrHill]
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Damn, that is alot.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: MrHill]
#18497126 - 07/01/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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i like this part
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Officials said someone at the Paradiso Festival was peddling a drug promoted as ecstasy, but was actually "Molly," a powerful form of ecstasy sometimes mixed with other drugs.
i thought molly referred to mdma, and extacy was the notoriously unpure one?
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: weshroom]
#18497130 - 07/01/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fuck these unintelligent news articles on another note sending positive energy to those hospitilized and to the family of the deceased
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: MrHill]
#18497141 - 07/01/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Damn horrible thing to hear about, but also some very ignorant people cocaine, lsd, and meth MIXED together? Like cmon, more likely a RC
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: squeakyclean]
#18497146 - 07/01/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've never got cocaine and LSD in my Molly, sounds obsurd. What a bunch of idiots
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: Blackghost420]
#18497151 - 07/01/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's what I was thinking kids trying to eat multiple rolls end up od'ing on a nbome would be my first guess
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: Icepic] 5
#18497154 - 07/01/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wish I'd get some LSD in my molly.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: MrHill]
#18497285 - 07/01/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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ya i was just thinking, who would waste lsd on a e pill
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: hidenseek1]
#18497321 - 07/01/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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pmma maybee??
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: MrHill] 5
#18497364 - 07/01/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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"... We're not talking about too much drinking or smoking a little marijuana."
Too much drinking is hella safe.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: hidenseek1]
#18497379 - 07/01/13 02:25 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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I lol'd hard when I read this article... And then I cried because I knew people out there are eating it up and imposing earlier curfews on their children.
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Officials said someone at the Paradiso Festival was peddling a drug promoted as ecstasy, but was actually "Molly," a powerful form of ecstasy sometimes mixed with other drugs.
i thought molly referred to mdma, and extacy was the notoriously unpure one?
Not even. Back in the day ecstasy was just MDMA. It's about as impure as "molly", people just think that because they can see their little white crystals that it makes it real. So essentially they just rotated 3 different terms for the exact same drug as if it was some kind of big dangerous mixup.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: MrHill]
#18497451 - 07/01/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#18497453 - 07/01/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Another example of the dangers perpetuated by the war on drugs. If MDMA was legal people could buy the real deal and know what a safe dose is. Instead people have to resort to buying from people who may be selling an obscure RC as MDMA and taking a potentially lethal dose because they do not have the means to gauge what an appropriate dose is.
Then to top it off you have these ignorant ass journalist spewing disinformation about what these substances even are.
Journalism has lost all integrity.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: MrHill]
#18497483 - 07/01/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Jesus christ...
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: MrHill]
#18497504 - 07/01/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Parrott said: "When you have cocaine and LSD and meth all mixed together, it just does terrible things to your body," she said. "Your heart doesn't tolerate it very well, your breathing does not tolerative it very well."
Hmm I know that line sounds sketchy, but I've had ecstasy that was cut with Ketamine and Heroine before so maybe this isn't so hard to believe.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: DesykaLamgeene]
#18497532 - 07/01/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is fucked up, yet again. Test kits should be more widely available, especially at festivals. Just like condoms.
On a side note, I remember getting what felt like LSD in an Ecstasy pill way back in the '90s. It was wonderful.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: igCorcaigh]
#18497564 - 07/01/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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this might be related, but I've read somewhere that the amount of MDMA contained in pills has doubled on average recently. I can't cite a source for this, but it makes sense. They were saying that people who aren't used to the dosages were ODing alot more.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: screamphilling]
#18497581 - 07/01/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's interesting... It would still be pretty hard to OD on MDMA alone, wouldn't it?
Also, doesn't Cocaine cancel out the effects of MDMA, or is it the other way around?
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: screamphilling]
#18497591 - 07/01/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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a bunch a friends went to this, thankfully they all had trusted sources for their substances.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: MrHill]
#18497627 - 07/01/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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I reckon the mdma that hospitalized those 100 was mixed with something very dangerous even in small doses; it would be a pretty unusual coincidence if 100 people were to all overdose on something that isn't dangerous in small doses at the same festival
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: gulper2323]
#18497636 - 07/01/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm betting PMA/PMMA. Test kits should be available cheaply and encouraged, just like condom use is encouraged.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: igCorcaigh]
#18497756 - 07/01/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Test your shit! Very few OD deaths can be linked to pure MDMA or LSD without a pretty extreme dose. Almost certainly something else was being passed around as ecstasy.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: igCorcaigh]
#18497763 - 07/01/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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a bunch of people i know went to this, im kind of not that suprised this happened though
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: el_barto]
#18497848 - 07/01/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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A bunch of people I know went to. It really is sad that this is pushed out of the media rather than "Hey, test your fucking drugs"
I woke up this morning, and my mom started rambling about this article, and I had to give her an awkward morning breakfast about the use and abuse of MDMA, and what RC's are, and how there's test kits. I had to explain that no one is going to die off of MDMA alone, and no one will sure as hell lace their molly with lucy. I think i ended that convo with "People actually care about their health. Or some of them at least.."
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: The Lizard King]
#18497860 - 07/01/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hmm I know that line sounds sketchy, but I've had ecstasy that was cut with Ketamine and Heroine before so maybe this isn't so hard to believe.
Not saying that you are wrong, but heroin in e-pills is like mescaline in e-pills....rare, if even in existence.
An oral dose is like 100mg, which you could get high as balls off of like 10 times if injected.
From Erowid: "Rumors about heroin in ecstasy are mostly unfounded and untrue. As ecstasy users seek to explain the differences in experiential qualities of the often adulterated, misbranded ecstasy pills they take, heroin (as a dangerous bugbear lurking in the shadows) is often included in the list of substances that might be in ecstasy pills. Although heroin has been detected in a couple of ecstasy pills since the late 1990s, and fentanyl was detected in two pills in 2005, there is no reason to believe that heroin or related opiates are present in enough ecstasy pills to warrant the concerns expressed by some inexperienced ecstasy users."
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: tothemoon]
#18497872 - 07/01/13 04:33 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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The Lizard King said:
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Parrott said: ""
Hmm I know that line sounds sketchy, but I've had ecstasy that was cut with Ketamine and Heroine before so maybe this isn't so hard to believe.
Not saying that you are wrong, but heroin in e-pills is like mescaline in e-pills....rare, if even in existence.
An oral dose is like 100mg, which you could get high as balls off of like 10 times if injected.
From Erowid: "Rumors about heroin in ecstasy are mostly unfounded and untrue. As ecstasy users seek to explain the differences in experiential qualities of the often adulterated, misbranded ecstasy pills they take, heroin (as a dangerous bugbear lurking in the shadows) is often included in the list of substances that might be in ecstasy pills. Although heroin has been detected in a couple of ecstasy pills since the late 1990s, and fentanyl was detected in two pills in 2005, there is no reason to believe that heroin or related opiates are present in enough ecstasy pills to warrant the concerns expressed by some inexperienced ecstasy users."
I concur. Did it test positive for H??? I've had some really strong rolls that have made me feel like I'm about to nod off. I'm in this sleepy, relaxed haze of awesomeness.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: MrHill]
#18497901 - 07/01/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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8 people have died in recent days in N. Ireland due to "Ecstasy tablets", more than likely containing adulterants like PMA/PMMA.
Yet, there is no public campaign to encourage testing, no test kits sold at festivals, no debate, nothing.
I make the comparison to condoms, because I remember installing condom machines in pubs and clubs here in the early '90s when it was illegal to do so, and people were dying from HIV. The argument then was availability of condoms would encourage people to have sex.
And so, I see something similar happening right now. I think MDMA should be legal and regualted. Failing that, we need a public information campaign, with widely and cheaply available testing kits, especilly in clubs and at festivals. Because what is happening right now is tragic and insane.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: MrHill]
#18497910 - 07/01/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've had some really strong rolls that have made me feel like I'm about to nod off. I'm in this sleepy, relaxed haze of awesomeness.
That's what a high dose of MDMA does to me...
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: igCorcaigh]
#18497918 - 07/01/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think it will come with due time my friend. The public can't poison them selves for ever.. 
And exactly my point, the MDMA experiences feels quite dopey in a way.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: MrHill]
#18497954 - 07/01/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yep, dealer did it right in front of me because I (and the dealer as well) wanted to know what was in them.
However, I didn't notice any Heroine or Ketamine like effects (which I can't attest to because I've never done either by themselves) that stuck out from the roll.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: The Lizard King]
#18498555 - 07/01/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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It was probably people buying bags of mdma, and having no clue what dosage to take they took to much to much.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: Morel Guy]
#18498775 - 07/01/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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I feel really bad for the family and friends of the person who died and the others that were injured, but I have to admit I used(what do I mean used to my source just dried up) love MDMA even though I'm pretty sure it was never pure sometimes it was real speedy other times it was real mellow I liked the mellower ones the best but this was back in the 90's. And as igCorcaigh said About the lsd ones i also had them and totally agree on those being wonderful. Sometimes we'd get some shit that when u were peaking ur eyes would shake and everything would be shaking psychedelically back and forth. Those were probably the best, it was a fucking crazy awesome feeling. Never had molly thought. Man I miss that shit I swear it was like a four to 6 hour orgasm,no shit!
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: redeyesmj]
#18499180 - 07/01/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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that thought crossed my mind too. find it hard to believe so many people overdosing on Molly. gotta be a catch somewhere
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: Ogla]
#18499559 - 07/01/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sounds like RC's
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: Rumblefishtwist]
#18499678 - 07/01/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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The average person would have to eat towards a gram of good mdma to experience any adverse effects such as those being described, yet alone death. The LD50 is extremely high. 110% sure this is not MDMA people are getting hurt with. To the posters talking about the different away of rolls back in the 90's etc, the psychedelic feel could most likely of come from MDA, or a 2c-x compound (most likely 2c-b). It's highly unlikely anyone would press pills with LSD, and you would know because you'd be tripping a good 6 hours + after your roll has ended.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: MrHill] 1
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The first thing I thought of was the weather. I've been to Gorge a few times and it's fucking hot. Especially after a full day of being in the sun at temps around 100 degrees. Even if it wasn't an RC and was actually MDMA, anybody would be pretty wrecked in those conditions if they weren't careful.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: PhlockingOutside]
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: fatchillin]
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: MrHill]
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NEVER TAKE molly once I popped one was ballin my eyes out. MDMA on the other hand good stuff just smashed too much eeeh.
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#18500652 - 07/02/13 02:44 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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They're the same thing.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: The Lizard King]
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the gorge got really hot over the weekend. many people were dehydrated. oh yeah and sketchy drugs. BAD COMBO.
apparently the "hydration stations" weren't doing a very good job at hydrating the masses either.
Every article I have read about this just makes me facepalm, ignorance everywhere.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: Krongdawg] 1
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Last I checked, molly is supposed to be pure MDMA.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#18501040 - 07/02/13 06:51 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Molly is SUPPOSED to be MDMA....but I know in my area that RC's are getting sold as molly ALL THE TIME. I just assume anytime someone tries to sell me molly, that it isn't mdma. Even when I know the person knows what molly is, and they think its mdma, don't trust em till I test it. But, especially when they follow it up with "it's like ecstacy but stronger". Then I don't even bother testing it.
$10 bucks says this was an RC being sold as molly, and not mdma with pmma in it. And people didn't know which RC so they didn't know how much to dose.
Also, no one had any mdma with heroin in it. For one, an oral dose of heroin needs to be really high for you to feel it(especially if you are rolling at the time), and it wouldn't be profitable to sell it that way. And two, since the oral dose of heroin needs to be so high, and heroin is so impure, and the pills would still need binders in them, the pills would have to be HUGE.
Anyways, point I was trying to make is that usage defines meaning. And I definitely see us heading to a point where for the uneducated drug using masses, "molly" is used to refer to any emphathogenic substance in crystal/powder form.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: Coolwhip]
#18501073 - 07/02/13 07:03 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thank god they didnt mix acid with lsd....ive heard that mix leads to instant death..oh and dont forget, if you mix psychedelic mushrooms with magic mushrooms it almost always leads to a bad trip. **SARCASM**

Frankly this article is shit, but besides that i sure hope these ravers recover well.
I always thought ecstasy fell into the thizzle/smacker/stacker category while molly was the real deal if mdma was your drug of choice..but i guess that dont matter cause when you buy off the streets the dealer can call it whatever the fuck they want.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: 2bakednate]
#18501321 - 07/02/13 08:44 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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You guys should read the other article it's more detailed of course people were hospitalized heat stress ontop of drugs alcohol doesn't feel good...
And they aren't sure it's even Molly they are assuming it is. No tests have been done
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: natzyshroomer] 1
#18501369 - 07/02/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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People who test their product (TLC, MP, reagent) are far less likely to suffer detrimental consequences that result from occasional misrepresentation. If you want to set yourself apart from the stereotype that claims, "drug users are engaging in risky behaviour; they're ingesting dirty, adulterated chemicals, and don't even know what they're really taking," you should be more prudent. Many of these substances seem to be too useful and beneficial to let the drug war put a damper on your interests, clearly. So, for the time being, until they become regulated and quality controlled, you'll have to take matters into your own hands.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: Terratic]
#18501821 - 07/02/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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(i realize this first part is re-hashing what many have already said, but it goes on from there. i ramble, so feel free to look over this post =) good thing this journalist did their research in finding out what "molly" really is, and what the 'main' ingredient in ecstasy (molly/mdma), and didn't just rely on the quote given by another uneducated lazy ass who also didn't do their research. here's the scary part: it was the CHIEF NURSING OFFICER, whose title would lead one to believe that she was treating these people for overdoses. wouldn't you want to know what chemical someone overdosed on before treating it?? anyone who works in a hospital and who's bound to end up dealing with cases involving street drugs MUST be knowledgeable on the subject. i'm not saying they should know every reference; and maybe they just hadn't heard the term 'molly' used before. but i guarantee you, a lot of the patients there could've told them "uh, no, it's not LSD combined with cocaine and meth."
I will say this, to try to give her a bit of reprieve. it's possible (and i hope true) that they did thorough toxicology analyses of these patients; so maybe when they thought they were getting E tablets, they were really getting the combination quoted above. either way, it's just sad all around. sad that someone died. sad regarding what this says about the state of affairs in our hospitals, and sad to know that some dipshit was going around handing out some obviously heavy-duty shit and most likely not warning people to be careful or "just start off with a half," but rather just taking their money and moving on. it makes me wonder how many of those hospitalized were minors, or first time users of this drug..
sorry for my ramblings, but there are a few things about this story that just upset me, and part of it is just because of past experiences with close friends..
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: eriatarka]
#18506929 - 07/03/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wow, here's an update guys Bam
It turns out he died from a brain hemorrhage due to dehydration.
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A Facebook post by one of the relatives of the deceased festivalgoer provides another perspective: “Times like these I hate the news. My second cousin died at paradiso this weekend due the fact that he was dehydrated and on Molly he didn’t od. Yes drugs are bad and I don’t condone them but people need to be properly educated. If your going to do a drug any drug make sure there is other things in your system including food and most importantly water. The lack of H2O in his system caused a brain hemorrhage reaction that turned fatal. I just want people to know this wasn’t just some dumb kid. He had just graduated college and was on track for a high paying job a Boeing and has a large loving family. He was Not some dead beat druggie.”
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: MrHill]
#18507597 - 07/03/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pressies are bad news. After the last time I got pipe'd I just won't fuck with them any more. Hours and hours of hell, but I am admittedly very sensitive in a bad way to piperazines. I miss the 90s. They were so
I was deep in the rave scene as a techno producer and real L and real molly were widely available. There were (fake) rumors the lucy was mixed with strychnine, and I did get some VERY speedy XTC pressies a few times, but we didn't have too much else to worry about. People still died at raves back then too, and in car wrecks driving home all fucked up, but it was usually very clear what they did wrong. I may be wrong or misinformed but I don't remember adverse events of this scale ever happening. The DOx substances were present, and I knew some people who got more than they bargained for, but our worries were nothing like what they are today.
Sadly there seems to be a bifurcation around this issue. I see many people happy to see those selling RCs as more traditional substances get caught in the gears of the drug war machine. I am stuck with a bit of cognitive dissonance here. While I think NBOMes are bad in general, the whole reason we have NBOMes causing problems is because of prohibition of less dangerous, more traditional psychedelics and empathogens. As much as I agree that selling NBOMes or other RCs as traditional psychedelics is a dick move and should be punished by prohibitive laws, I also think that prohibitive laws are what lead us to this mess. I don't think that jailing people for selling NBOMes is the answer, but at the same time I don't really have a better solution for preventing people from coming in contact with dangerous molecules... other than full legalization of lsd, mescaline, et al., which seems like an impossibility given current political mores.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: Coolwhip]
#18508545 - 07/03/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Coolwhip said: Molly is SUPPOSED to be MDMA....but I know in my area that RC's are getting sold as molly ALL THE TIME. I just assume anytime someone tries to sell me molly, that it isn't mdma. Even when I know the person knows what molly is, and they think its mdma, don't trust em till I test it. But, especially when they follow it up with "it's like ecstacy but stronger". Then I don't even bother testing it.
$10 bucks says this was an RC being sold as molly, and not mdma with pmma in it. And people didn't know which RC so they didn't know how much to dose.
Could be the case. I have seen methylone sold as "molly" in my area. I suppose it's also possible someone was selling something like 6-APB as "molly." IMHO that might be the more dangerous of the two. Reason being doses for a good hit of 6-APB are a bit lower than with MDMA. 80-100mg of pure 6-APB can give a pretty respectable roll. 120mg feels like rolling your nuts off (with a bit less lovey empathy). I know someone who said 120-140mg they experienced something like tachycardia (feeling like the heart skips a beat, followed by an unusually hard "knock" or two, before returning to normal) aside from it being strong, and the stimmy feeling was pretty strong at that dose....
God only knows what would happen if someone dropped 200-300mg of APB like it was MDMA....
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Coolwhip said: Also, no one had any mdma with heroin in it. For one, an oral dose of heroin needs to be really high for you to feel it(especially if you are rolling at the time), and it wouldn't be profitable to sell it that way. And two, since the oral dose of heroin needs to be so high, and heroin is so impure, and the pills would still need binders in them, the pills would have to be HUGE.
If I'm remembering correctly, presses have been found with heroin in them. More rare than ketamine, but it's been seen.
Also, your post above is riddled with bad assumptions and misinformation. First of all, oral bioavailability isn't as poor as you make it out to be. I believe I read it's higher than morphine, which is prescribed as an oral medication. Second of all, that's not necessarily a disadvantage even if the bioavailability is a bit lower. You don't want people overdosing. If you're adulterating your pill with an active, you're putting it in for added effect. And even a very small dose of heroin would be felt by an opiate naive person.
Third, heroin is not always as impure as you make it sound. Powder heroin can actually has a respectable purity. It's been found in bags at up to 75% (though it's true that the average is a good deal lower than this.) However, that doesn't matter because
FOUR: if MDMA pills were being adulterated with heroin, chances are it's being done by someone a tad higher in the "food chain" so to speak, and therefore is more likely to have access to considerably more pure heroin. If you have mid-level connects you can get some insanely pure heroin. I've seen it.
And fifth, like I said-- it would only take a tiny dose of heroin to add a bit extra "glow" to an MDMA experience, particularly for an opiate naive person.
Oh, also... even if you were making it with really cut stamp bag heroin, the pills wouldn't have to be huge, as you suggest. You wouldn't put a whole bag (50-100mg) of dope in one pill. I'd say 10-20mg would be more likely. Even if it were 30-40mg... that much heroin really is not much powder at all.

Just my two cents...
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: igCorcaigh]
#18509922 - 07/04/13 01:38 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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igCorcaigh said: This is fucked up, yet again. Test kits should be more widely available, especially at festivals. Just like condoms.
On a side note, I remember getting what felt like LSD in an Ecstasy pill way back in the '90s. It was wonderful.
MDA is notoriously psychedelic and is often confused with "LSD laced MDMA....."
EDIT: 'Tis true, there is almost never heroin in ecstasy or molly.....
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: The Lizard King]
#18509939 - 07/04/13 01:42 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Krongdawg said: NEVER TAKE molly once I popped one was ballin my eyes out. MDMA on the other hand good stuff just smashed too much eeeh.
They're the same thing.
Sorry for the repeated post, but I had to concur. They are SUPPOSED to be the same thing. I doubt a lot of "molly" out there is actually methylenedioxymethamphetamine......
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: SpawnRun]
#18512504 - 07/04/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Doubtful that he was on a high paying track to a job at boeing. If you take drugs, your probably not going to pass the back ground check, for military contracts.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: Morel Guy]
#18513173 - 07/04/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: Doubtful that he was on a high paying track to a job at boeing. If you take drugs, your probably not going to pass the back ground check, for military contracts.
Not true, there are a lot of military contractors who use drugs. The background check just checks for arrests, and many drug users have not been arrested. A drug arrest does not automatically disqualify someone from a military contractor job either. It doesn´t look good, but it´s not an automatic thing that even convicted drug users can´t work for Boeing.
I used to work for Raytheon on a government contract. They drug tested me once when I was hired, and never again.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#18513927 - 07/04/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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^^Many "professionals" or, as I prefer, sheeple, also use drugs....
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#18517755 - 07/05/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: Doubtful that he was on a high paying track to a job at boeing. If you take drugs, your probably not going to pass the back ground check, for military contracts.
Not true, there are a lot of military contractors who use drugs. The background check just checks for arrests, and many drug users have not been arrested. A drug arrest does not automatically disqualify someone from a military contractor job either. It doesn´t look good, but it´s not an automatic thing that even convicted drug users can´t work for Boeing.
I used to work for Raytheon on a government contract. They drug tested me once when I was hired, and never again.
Piss test when hired has been my experience for those types of jobs as well. You are too expensive to hire or replace, if a clearance is required, for them to want to find any reason to disqualify you after you are in the door. A secret clearance is fucking expensive to achieve, and at some point some employer incurred it. It's like a boy's club.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: dokunai]
#18518032 - 07/05/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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^It's rather funny that they use urinalysis for that line of work. My wife works in a PVC factory and they do hair tests..... Go figure.....
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: screamphilling]
#18518476 - 07/05/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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screamphilling said: this might be related, but I've read somewhere that the amount of MDMA contained in pills has doubled on average recently. I can't cite a source for this, but it makes sense. They were saying that people who aren't used to the dosages were ODing alot more.
I've observed this also.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: Novartis]
#18518796 - 07/06/13 12:59 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anyone have a source for the increase in MDMA in pills/molly? Is it strictly geographical?
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: SpawnRun]
#18518815 - 07/06/13 01:07 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Not enough facepalm for the bad info in that article. Mol E is 9/10 times more likely to be cleaner than a pressed pill, I won't even eat pressies anymore, they are all speed and some garbage research chem. Also 90% of the LSD these days is NOT LSD, they cracked down on the ergot and the one group in GA who were making like 75% of the countries LSD. How the hell is Coke LSD and Meth in Pure Mol E? That all just makes a whole lot of NO sense. Its unfortunate some kids got killed, likely it was some garbach research chem like 2ci or WTF ever the government is testing by releasing it to the masses. Stuff like this is exactly why i switched to my own grown fungus to have my fun.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: Icepic]
#18520776 - 07/06/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Icepic said: I've never got cocaine and LSD in my Molly, sounds obsurd. What a bunch of idiots
Yeah were do I find this at, sounds awesome.
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igCorcaigh said: 8 people have died in recent days in N. Ireland due to "Ecstasy tablets", more than likely containing adulterants like PMA/PMMA.
Yet, there is no public campaign to encourage testing, no test kits sold at festivals, no debate, nothing.
I make the comparison to condoms, because I remember installing condom machines in pubs and clubs here in the early '90s when it was illegal to do so, and people were dying from HIV. The argument then was availability of condoms would encourage people to have sex.
And so, I see something similar happening right now. I think MDMA should be legal and regualted. Failing that, we need a public information campaign, with widely and cheaply available testing kits, especilly in clubs and at festivals. Because what is happening right now is tragic and insane.
OK, rant over 
I tend to bring a dozen or so kits with me to festivals to sell and test peoples drugs for free.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: snoot]
#18521968 - 07/06/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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^^Thank you. Back in the early days of my "rolling," DanceSafe saved my life. After that, I started doing the same as yourself...
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: SpawnRun] 1
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SpawnRun said: ^^Thank you. Back in the early days of my "rolling," DanceSafe saved my life. After that, I started doing the same as yourself...
Its funny some people soon as you mention test kits they get real quiet, and turn away real quick, some people are assholes by choice, and some peoples smiles are turned to frowns when they realize what they bought or are selling, upset as they are they are usually happy to find out what they have and what they are selling.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: snoot]
#18537508 - 07/10/13 12:32 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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SpawnRun said: ^^Thank you. Back in the early days of my "rolling," DanceSafe saved my life. After that, I started doing the same as yourself...
Its funny some people soon as you mention test kits they get real quiet, and turn away real quick, some people are assholes by choice, and some peoples smiles are turned to frowns when they realize what they bought or are selling, upset as they are they are usually happy to find out what they have and what they are selling.
Too true...
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: SpawnRun]
#18537791 - 07/10/13 01:49 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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That article kind of upsets me, as do a few of the replies here.
At least there were some smart people chiming in on this thread, everything I was going to say has already been said.
I really have nothing to add other than if we received real drug education and drugs were legal stuff like this wouldn't happen/would happen less often.
I'm so fed up with our media/laws/politicians stuff like this makes me sad/angry.
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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: TrentBoyett]
#18544783 - 07/11/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sarina Fahrner, the chief nursing officer
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She empties bedpans. Why is she being quoted about chemical composition of a pill? A pill could have anything in it, not likely cocaine or LSD. Most of them seem to be made up of legal and recently banned stuff like:
Mephedrone Methylone Butylone Piperazine mCPP BZP MDPV Also meth and speed big. When there is more than one chemical it gets quite dangerous too. No one really knows how two new drugs interact, putting them in one pill and telling someone its MDMA is deadly.
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