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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: Krongdawg] * 3
    #18500652 - 07/02/13 02:44 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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NEVER TAKE molly once I popped one was ballin my eyes out. MDMA on the other hand good stuff just smashed too much eeeh.




They're the same thing.


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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: The Lizard King]
    #18500752 - 07/02/13 03:49 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

the gorge got really hot over the weekend. many people were dehydrated. oh yeah and sketchy drugs. BAD COMBO.

apparently the "hydration stations" weren't doing a very good job at hydrating the masses either.

Every article I have read about this just makes me facepalm, ignorance everywhere.


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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: Krongdawg] * 1
    #18500815 - 07/02/13 04:33 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Last I checked, molly is supposed to be pure MDMA.

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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #18501040 - 07/02/13 06:51 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Molly is SUPPOSED to be MDMA....but I know in my area that RC's are getting sold as molly ALL THE TIME. I just assume anytime someone tries to sell me molly, that it isn't mdma. Even when I know the person knows what molly is, and they think its mdma, don't trust em till I test it. But, especially when they follow it up with "it's like ecstacy but stronger". Then I don't even bother testing it.

$10 bucks says this was an RC being sold as molly, and not mdma with pmma in it. And people didn't know which RC so they didn't know how much to dose.

Also, no one had any mdma with heroin in it. For one, an oral dose of heroin needs to be really high for you to feel it(especially if you are rolling at the time), and it wouldn't be profitable to sell it that way. And two, since the oral dose of heroin needs to be so high, and heroin is so impure, and the pills would still need binders in them, the pills would have to be HUGE.

Anyways, point I was trying to make is that usage defines meaning. And I definitely see us heading to a point where for the uneducated drug using masses, "molly" is used to refer to any emphathogenic substance in crystal/powder form.

Edited by Coolwhip (07/02/13 08:52 AM)

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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: Coolwhip]
    #18501073 - 07/02/13 07:03 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Thank god they didnt mix acid with lsd....ive heard that mix leads to instant death..oh and dont forget, if you mix psychedelic mushrooms with magic mushrooms it almost always leads to a bad trip. **SARCASM**

:smbfacepalm:

Frankly this article is shit, but besides that i sure hope these ravers recover well.

I always thought ecstasy fell into the thizzle/smacker/stacker category while molly was the real deal if mdma was your drug of choice..but i guess that dont matter cause when you buy off the streets the dealer can call it whatever the fuck they want.



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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: 2bakednate]
    #18501321 - 07/02/13 08:44 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

You guys should read the other article it's more detailed of course people were hospitalized heat stress ontop of drugs alcohol doesn't feel good...


And they aren't sure it's even Molly they are assuming it is. No tests have been done


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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: natzyshroomer] * 1
    #18501369 - 07/02/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

People who test their product (TLC, MP, reagent) are far less likely to suffer detrimental consequences that result from occasional misrepresentation. If you want to set yourself apart from the stereotype that claims, "drug users are engaging in risky behaviour; they're ingesting dirty, adulterated chemicals, and don't even know what they're really taking," you should be more prudent. Many of these substances seem to be too useful and beneficial to let the drug war put a damper on your interests, clearly. So, for the time being, until they become regulated and quality controlled, you'll have to take matters into your own hands.

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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: Terratic]
    #18501821 - 07/02/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

(i realize this first part is re-hashing what many have already said, but it goes on from there. i ramble, so feel free to look over this post =)
good thing this journalist did their research in finding out what "molly" really is, and what the 'main' ingredient in ecstasy (molly/mdma), and didn't just rely on the quote given by another uneducated lazy ass who also didn't do their research. here's the scary part: it was the CHIEF NURSING OFFICER, whose title would lead one to believe that she was treating these people for overdoses. wouldn't you want to know what chemical someone overdosed on before treating it?? anyone who works in a hospital and who's bound to end up dealing with cases involving street drugs MUST be knowledgeable on the subject. i'm not saying they should know every reference; and maybe they just hadn't heard the term 'molly' used before. but i guarantee you, a lot of the patients there could've told them "uh, no, it's not LSD combined with cocaine and meth."

I will say this, to try to give her a bit of reprieve. it's possible (and i hope true) that they did thorough toxicology analyses of these patients; so maybe when they thought they were getting E tablets, they were really getting the combination quoted above. either way, it's just sad all around. sad that someone died. sad regarding what this says about the state of affairs in our hospitals, and sad to know that some dipshit was going around handing out some obviously heavy-duty shit and most likely not warning people to be careful or "just start off with a half," but rather just taking their money and moving on. it makes me wonder how many of those hospitalized were minors, or first time users of this drug..

sorry for my ramblings, but there are a few things about this story that just upset me, and part of it is just because of past experiences with close friends..


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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: eriatarka]
    #18506929 - 07/03/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Wow, here's an update guys Bam

It turns out he died from a brain hemorrhage due to dehydration.

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A Facebook post by one of the relatives of the deceased festivalgoer provides another perspective: “Times like these I hate the news. My second cousin died at paradiso this weekend due the fact that he was dehydrated and on Molly he didn’t od. Yes drugs are bad and I don’t condone them but people need to be properly educated. If your going to do a drug any drug make sure there is other things in your system including food and most importantly water. The lack of H2O in his system caused a brain hemorrhage reaction that turned fatal. I just want people to know this wasn’t just some dumb kid. He had just graduated college and was on track for a high paying job a Boeing and has a large loving family. He was Not some dead beat druggie.”




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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: MrHill]
    #18507597 - 07/03/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Pressies are bad news.  After the last time I got pipe'd I just won't fuck with them any more.  Hours and hours of hell, but I am admittedly very sensitive in a bad way to piperazines.  I miss the 90s.  They were so :raveface: :awecid: 

I was deep in the rave scene as a techno producer and real L and real molly were widely available.  There were (fake) rumors the lucy was mixed with strychnine, and I did get some VERY speedy XTC pressies a few times, but we didn't have too much else to worry about.  People still died at raves back then too, and in car wrecks driving home all fucked up, but it was usually very clear what they did wrong.  I may be wrong or misinformed but I don't remember adverse events of this scale ever happening.  The DOx substances were present, and I knew some people who got more than they bargained for, but our worries were nothing like what they are today. 

Sadly there seems to be a bifurcation around this issue.  I see many people happy to see those selling RCs as more traditional substances get caught in the gears of the drug war machine.  I am stuck with a bit of cognitive dissonance here.  While I think NBOMes are bad in general, the whole reason we have NBOMes causing problems is because of prohibition of less dangerous, more traditional psychedelics and empathogens.  As much as I agree that selling NBOMes or other RCs as traditional psychedelics is a dick move and should be punished by prohibitive laws, I also think that prohibitive laws are what lead us to this mess.  I don't think that jailing people for selling NBOMes is the answer, but at the same time I don't really have a better solution for preventing people from coming in contact with dangerous molecules... other than full legalization of lsd, mescaline, et al., which seems like an impossibility given current political mores.

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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: Coolwhip]
    #18508545 - 07/03/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Coolwhip said:
Molly is SUPPOSED to be MDMA....but I know in my area that RC's are getting sold as molly ALL THE TIME. I just assume anytime someone tries to sell me molly, that it isn't mdma. Even when I know the person knows what molly is, and they think its mdma, don't trust em till I test it. But, especially when they follow it up with "it's like ecstacy but stronger". Then I don't even bother testing it.

$10 bucks says this was an RC being sold as molly, and not mdma with pmma in it. And people didn't know which RC so they didn't know how much to dose.







Could be the case. I have seen methylone sold as "molly" in my area. I suppose it's also possible someone was selling something like 6-APB as "molly."  IMHO that might be the more dangerous of the two. Reason being doses for a good hit of 6-APB are a bit lower than with MDMA. 80-100mg of pure 6-APB can give a pretty respectable roll.  120mg feels like rolling your nuts off (with a bit less lovey empathy).  I know someone who said 120-140mg they experienced something like tachycardia (feeling like the heart skips a beat, followed by an unusually hard "knock" or two, before returning to normal) aside from it being strong, and the stimmy feeling was pretty strong at that dose....

God only knows what would happen if someone dropped 200-300mg of APB like it was MDMA....




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Coolwhip said:
Also, no one had any mdma with heroin in it. For one, an oral dose of heroin needs to be really high for you to feel it(especially if you are rolling at the time), and it wouldn't be profitable to sell it that way. And two, since the oral dose of heroin needs to be so high, and heroin is so impure, and the pills would still need binders in them, the pills would have to be HUGE.








If I'm remembering correctly, presses have been found with heroin in them. More rare than ketamine, but it's been seen.

Also, your post above is riddled with bad assumptions and misinformation. First of all, oral bioavailability isn't as poor as you make it out to be. I believe I read it's higher than morphine, which is prescribed as an oral medication. Second of all, that's not necessarily a disadvantage even if the bioavailability is a bit lower. You don't want people overdosing. If you're adulterating your pill with an active, you're putting it in for added effect. And even a very small dose of heroin would be felt by an opiate naive person.

Third, heroin is not always as impure as you make it sound. Powder heroin can actually has a respectable purity. It's been found in bags at up to 75% (though it's true that the average is a good deal lower than this.) However, that doesn't matter because

FOUR:  if MDMA pills were being adulterated with heroin, chances are it's being done by someone a tad higher in the "food chain" so to speak, and therefore is more likely to have access to considerably more pure heroin. If you have mid-level connects you can get some insanely pure heroin. I've seen it.


And fifth, like I said-- it would only take a tiny dose of heroin to add a bit extra "glow" to an MDMA experience, particularly for an opiate naive person.


Oh, also... even if you were making it with really cut stamp bag heroin, the pills wouldn't have to be huge, as you suggest. You wouldn't put a whole bag (50-100mg) of dope in one pill. I'd say 10-20mg would be more likely. Even if it were 30-40mg... that much heroin really is not much powder at all.


:shrug:


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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: igCorcaigh]
    #18509922 - 07/04/13 01:38 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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This is fucked up, yet again. Test kits should be more widely available, especially at festivals. Just like condoms.

On a side note, I remember getting what felt like LSD in an Ecstasy pill way back in the '90s. It was wonderful.




MDA is notoriously psychedelic and is often confused with "LSD laced MDMA....."


EDIT:  'Tis true, there is almost never heroin in ecstasy or molly.....


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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: The Lizard King]
    #18509939 - 07/04/13 01:42 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

Krongdawg said:
NEVER TAKE molly once I popped one was ballin my eyes out. MDMA on the other hand good stuff just smashed too much eeeh.




They're the same thing.



Sorry for the repeated post, but I had to concur.  They are SUPPOSED to be the same thing.  I doubt a lot of "molly" out there is actually methylenedioxymethamphetamine......


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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: SpawnRun]
    #18512504 - 07/04/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Doubtful that he was on a high paying track to a job at boeing.  If you take drugs, your probably not going to pass the back ground check, for military contracts.


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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: Morel Guy]
    #18513173 - 07/04/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Doubtful that he was on a high paying track to a job at boeing.  If you take drugs, your probably not going to pass the back ground check, for military contracts.





Not true, there are a lot of military contractors who use drugs.  The background check just checks for arrests, and many drug users have not been arrested.  A drug arrest does not automatically disqualify someone from a military contractor job either.  It doesn´t look good, but it´s not an automatic thing that even convicted drug users can´t work for Boeing.

I used to work for Raytheon on a government contract.  They drug tested me once when I was hired, and never again.

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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #18513927 - 07/04/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

^^Many "professionals" or, as I prefer, sheeple, also use drugs....


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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #18517755 - 07/05/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Morel Guy said:
Doubtful that he was on a high paying track to a job at boeing.  If you take drugs, your probably not going to pass the back ground check, for military contracts.





Not true, there are a lot of military contractors who use drugs.  The background check just checks for arrests, and many drug users have not been arrested.  A drug arrest does not automatically disqualify someone from a military contractor job either.  It doesn´t look good, but it´s not an automatic thing that even convicted drug users can´t work for Boeing.

I used to work for Raytheon on a government contract.  They drug tested me once when I was hired, and never again.




Piss test when hired has been my experience for those types of jobs as well.  You are too expensive to hire or replace, if a clearance is required, for them to want to find any reason to disqualify you after you are in the door.  A secret clearance is fucking expensive to achieve, and at some point some employer incurred it.  It's like a boy's club.

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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: dokunai]
    #18518032 - 07/05/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

^It's rather funny that they use urinalysis for that line of work.  My wife works in a PVC factory and they do hair tests.....  Go figure.....


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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: screamphilling]
    #18518476 - 07/05/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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this might be related, but I've read somewhere that the amount of MDMA contained in pills has doubled on average recently.  I can't cite a source for this, but it makes sense.  They were saying that people who aren't used to the dosages were ODing alot more.




I've observed this also.

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Re: 1 dead, dozens hospitalized after drug overdoses at music festival [Re: Novartis]
    #18518796 - 07/06/13 12:59 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Anyone have a source for the increase in MDMA in pills/molly?  Is it strictly geographical?


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