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Ingesting plants risky, CDC warns
    #1848213 - 08/25/03 02:06 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0803/22moonflower.html

Ingesting plants risky, CDC warns
Teens' efforts to get high off moonflower seeds backfire

By DAVID WAHLBERG
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution


Teens trying to get high on a garden plant called the moonflower are ending up in the hospital instead, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Thursday in its weekly report on disease.

The new approach to flower power landed 14 Ohio teens in an emergency room last fall after they ate seeds or drank tea from the seeds of the plant, which blooms at dusk. The teens had dilated pupils, a rapid heart rate, hallucinations and an inability to urinate. They had no long-term effects.

In the past four years, there have been 4,240 reports of poisonings nationwide from a group of toxic plants including the moonflower, said Dr. Martin Belson, a CDC medical toxicologist. That included seven deaths. About 200 of the national total were in Georgia, where officials couldn't say if any involved moonflowers.

Roughly two-thirds of the cases nationwide are likely from intentional ingestion of the plants among teens, Belson said. Many of the incidents involve jimson weed, another plant in the toxic group, which has been known for several years to be abused.

At least 68 of the reports were from moonflower, only recently recognized as a recreational substance. It has large, fragrant flowers and prickly seed pods.

"There may be a perception that if kids abuse a plant instead of a hard-core drug like heroin or cocaine, they'll get a high but that not many problems will come from it," Belson said. "But you can certainly have very undesirable effects, and some may cause hospitalization or potentially death."

At least three plant species are referred to as moonflowers, and two can produce hallucinations.

The Ohio teens, most of them boys, used one called Datura inoxia, which has effects similar to marijuana. The Akron (Ohio) Beacon-Journal reported last fall that one of the teens saw imaginary fire ants crawling on his skin, and another was "talking to a tree, playing cards with it."

Two teens in Georgia, including one found naked in the middle of a street, were taken to the emergency room at Fayette Community Hospital in 1998 after they smoked jimson weed.


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Re: Ingesting plants risky, CDC warns [Re: motaman]
    #1848470 - 08/25/03 03:49 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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The Ohio teens, most of them boys, used one called Datura inoxia, which has effects similar to marijuana




WTF??????  :confused: :mad2: 


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Re: Ingesting plants risky, CDC warns [Re: motaman]
    #1848473 - 08/25/03 03:50 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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The Ohio teens, most of them boys, used one called Datura inoxia, which has effects similar to marijuana. The Akron (Ohio) Beacon-Journal reported last fall that one of the teens saw imaginary fire ants crawling on his skin, and another was "talking to a tree, playing cards with it."



Doesn't sound much like marijuana to me.


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Re: Ingesting plants risky, CDC warns [Re: cybrbeast]
    #1852709 - 08/26/03 10:02 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

That is a fucking irresponsible, and ignorant thing to say.

Kids are going to read that ang go out and try it. Then this guy will have another story to write about.


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Re: Ingesting plants risky, CDC warns [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1853727 - 08/27/03 03:12 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

My herb dealer's dry...Imma go score me a bag of Datura.I mean, it's pretty similar.

Ironically,half the dumbshit kids who try this stuff probably do it because they can't find any weed.


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Re: Ingesting plants risky, CDC warns [Re: monoamine]
    #1854550 - 08/27/03 01:21 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

> The Ohio teens, most of them boys, used one called Datura inoxia, which has effects similar to marijuana.

Thats like saying I wash my hair with paint, which has effects similar to soap.


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Re: Ingesting plants risky, CDC warns [Re: motaman]
    #1854843 - 08/27/03 02:40 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I am going to write a letter to the editor. This guy is a moron, and should lose his job. He is endangering peoples lives.

That's an effect similar to birth.


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Re: Ingesting plants risky, CDC warns [Re: motaman]
    #1854923 - 08/27/03 03:02 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

here is the letter I sent.

Your writers are liable to kill someone with their misinformation.

in this article: http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0803/22moonflower.html

The writer stated that the "The Ohio teens, most of them boys, used one called Datura inoxia, which has effects similar to marijuana."

This is far from true, and in fact, a blatant lie. This misinformation could lead people to assume that is correct information. When in fact Datura Inoxia is considered an Anticholinergenic Deleriant.
They are called anticholinergic because they block the action of acetylcholine, a nerve transmitter substance that controlls the contraction of skeletal muscles and also plays an important role in the chemistry of the brain. They are called deleriants because their effects at high doses include incoherent speech, disorientation, delusions, an halucinations, often followed by depression and amnesia for the period of intoxication.

If someone was to believe your writers misinformation, and attempt to "get high", because they want an effect similar to marijuana, they could easily be in for a horrible life threatening experience. I think this needs to be corrected as soon as possible. I strongly suggest that you do so. I would not imagine any one would like to be held liable for this.

You need to realize that the belladonna alkaloids are so terrifying and incapacitating - the physical effects often so unpleasant, and the loss of contact with ordinary reality so complete - that they are used only with great caution and rarely for pleasure. For the same reasons, ironically, they are not regarded as a drug abuse problem and can be bought in small doses on perscription or in over-the-counter sedatives and pills for asthma, colds, and motion sickness.

Where as we all know that is not the case with Marijuana. The primary effects sought by those using cannabis recreationally are euphoria, relaxation, and changes in perception. Effects vary depending on dosage, with effects at low doses including a sense of well-being, mild enhancement of senses (smell, taste, hearing), subtle changes in thought and expression, talkativeness, giggling, increased appreciation of music, increased appetite, and mild closed-eye visuals. At higher doses, visuals may become more prominent, sense of time is altered, attention span and memory are frequently affected, and thought processes and mental perception may be significantly altered.


PLEASE fix this. I do not want to see anymore articles from that author on kids taking the plants that could kill them, based on his misinformation - telling them they can get high with an effect similar to marijuana. That's horrible.


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Re: Ingesting plants risky, CDC warns [Re: Raadt]
    #1855002 - 08/27/03 03:22 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Me and a friend had some fun on the cannaboards a bit back by playing up a tree moss we made up called Oregon "blue".We posted up a dummy extraction and some fake descriptives of the moss.We also posted that this was a natural relative of BZ with extreme dosage unpredictability with effect ranging from a spacey nausea to full blown reality loss and basicly the typical solanaceous trip X10 and the dose was always different due to fluctuations in the MAO level in each individual.Long story short, we had tons of fun with folks posting how they tried the stuff(WTF?)Could they just sprinkle a bit on a doobie?Even a full blown trip report.Pretty amazing for something which does not exist!
So it seems all one has to say is it will intoxicate as the dangers we outlined were horrific,people running on broken limbs oblivious to their condition,carving off the bugs crawling on them.All Bullshit to the core and yet no matter how terrible we made it sound there was always a post from someone wanting to try it.
I guess what I am getting at is the instinct to intoxicate is often stronger than the survival instinct and there are some folks who WILL
do anything to get "high".
Even after we fessed up to the ruse we continued to get PM's asking for sources and extraction info.
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Re: Ingesting plants risky, CDC warns [Re: whiterasta]
    #1857772 - 08/28/03 04:48 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Those people were pioneers.


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Re: Ingesting plants risky, CDC warns [Re: whiterasta]
    #1858093 - 08/28/03 07:46 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Thats like saying I wash my hair with paint, which has effects similar to soap.




that's a great line.

I too am apalled by the ignorance in that article.


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Re: Ingesting plants risky, CDC warns [Re: Raadt]
    #1858357 - 08/28/03 10:37 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Great letter. I hope someone listens, but I doubt it.

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That's an amazing story. Maybe a bit unethical but great. Can't believe that you even got back a full trip report.


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Re: Ingesting plants risky, CDC warns [Re: Raadt]
    #1858466 - 08/28/03 11:36 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

That is an excellent letter. That's one of the worst things about misinformation, even if it's with good intentions, someone out there is going to use it the wrong way and end up hurt.


I remember seeing a special on MTV once on heroin. At the end of it, they had people ask questions to a "drug addiction specialist". Someone asked if snorting heroin is safer than IV'ing it. His reply was that both are just as bad and the brain can't tell the difference between the two. Awful, incorrect information. While I'm sure he was trying to say that neither route of administration is safe and should be avoided, to anyone who has only snorted it but not IVed, the message is that IV'ing is just as safe as snorting. While that might have been a deterrent to someone who was thinking about only snorting heroin, it's a green light to those who already have but have been afraid of needles.

Let us know if you get any response from the letter.


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Re: Ingesting plants risky, CDC warns [Re: Twirling]
    #1860365 - 08/28/03 09:35 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I remember that MTV thing. That "addictions specialist" should go specialize in something else.


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Re: Ingesting plants risky, CDC warns [Re: monoamine]
    #1862871 - 08/29/03 03:33 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

kinda like the buzz on CP.


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Re: Ingesting plants risky, CDC warns [Re: Seuss]
    #6242912 - 11/03/06 11:49 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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> The Ohio teens, most of them boys, used one called Datura inoxia, which has effects similar to marijuana.

Thats like saying I wash my hair with paint, which has effects similar to soap. 




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