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DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN
    #18478595 - 06/27/13 08:54 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN
Nationwide enforcement actions target dangerous new and emerging class of chemicals from overseas

EMBARGOED UNTIL 3 PM EASTERN

WASHINGTON – The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) and its law enforcement partners today announced enforcement operations in 35 states targeting the upper echelon of dangerous designer synthetic drug trafficking organizations that have operated without regard for the law or public safety.



These series of enforcement actions included retailers, wholesalers, and manufacturers. In addition, these investigations have uncovered the massive flow of drug-related proceeds back to countries in the Middle East and elsewhere.



Since Project Synergy began in December of 2012, more than 75 arrests have been made and nearly $15 million in cash and assets have been seized--all leading up to today’s global takedown.  Today, law enforcement executed over 150 arrest warrants and nearly 375 search warrants in 35 states, 49 cities and five countries. During the past three days prior to today, over 550 kilograms of synthetic drugs were seized in a joint operation with Customs and Border Protection aimed at international shipments of synthetic drugs at express consignment facilities. Since February, over 1,000 kilograms of synthetic drugs have been seized at express consignment facilities.



Project Synergy was coordinated by DEA’s Special Operations Division, working with the DEA Office of Diversion Control, and included cases led by DEA, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI), FBI, and IRS.  In addition, law enforcement in Australia, Barbados, Panama, and Canada participated, as well as countless state and local law enforcement members.



“Shutting down businesses that traffic in these drugs and attacking their operations worldwide is a priority for DEA and our law enforcement partners,” said DEA Administrator Michele M. Leonhart.  “These designer drugs are destructive, dangerous, and are destroying lives. DEA has been at the forefront of the battle against this trend and is targeting these new and emerging drugs with every scientific, legislative, and investigative tool at our disposal.”



“CBP and DEA enjoy a close working relationship that was further enhanced through the collaboration of the National Targeting Center and CBP officers in the field at express consignment hubs during this operation to target, test and detain shipments of synthetic drugs, as well as precursor herbs used to manufacture synthetic marijuana,” said CBP David Murphy, Acting Assistant Commissioner, Field Operations.



“The criminals behind the importation, distribution and selling of these drugs have scant regard for human life in their reckless pursuit of illicit profits,” said Traci Lembke, HSI Deputy Assistant Director of Investigative Programs.  “For criminal groups seeking to profit through the sale of illegal narcotics, the message is clear: we know how you operate; we know where you hide; and we will not stop until we bring you to justice.”



“The harm inflicted by these designer drugs is matched only by the profit potential for those who sell them,” said Richard Weber, Chief, IRS-Criminal Investigation.  “Today’s enforcement actions are the culmination of a multi-year effort in which IRS-CI worked with its domestic and global law enforcement partners to disrupt the flow of money - the lifeblood that allows these multi-million dollar organizations to proliferate.”



“On behalf of the Australian Government, I congratulate the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration and U.S. Customs and Border Protection on Project Synergy. This is a significant seizure of synthetic drugs and is a terrific result for our respective law enforcement agencies. Australia remains committed to sharing intelligence with its U.S. partners to combat transnational crime across international borders. This is a win for our collective communities,” Australia’s Acting Ambassador to the United States, Graham Fletcher, said.


Background on designer synthetic drugs



Designer synthetic drugs are often marketed as herbal incense, bath salts, jewelry cleaner, or plant food, and have caused significant abuse, addiction, overdoses, and emergency room visits. Those who have abused synthetic drugs have suffered vomiting, anxiety, agitation, irritability, seizures, hallucinations, tachycardia, elevated blood pressure, and loss of consciousness. They have caused significant organ damage as well as overdose deaths.



Smokable herbal blends marketed as being “legal” and providing a marijuana-like high have become increasingly popular, particularly among teens and young adults, because they are easily available and, in many cases, they are more potent and dangerous than marijuana.  These products consist of plant material that has been impregnated with dangerous psychoactive compounds that mimic THC, the active ingredient in marijuana. Synthetic cannabinoids are sold at a variety of retail outlets, in head shops and over the Internet.  Brands such as “Spice,” “K2,” “Blaze,” and “Red X Dawn” are labeled as incense to mask their intended purpose. In 2012, a report by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) reported 11,406 emergency department visits involving a synthetic cannabinoid product during 2010. In a 2013 report, SAMHSA reported the number of emergency department visits in 2011 involving a synthetic cannabinoid product had increased 2.5 times to 28,531. The American Association of Poison Control Centers reported 5,205 calls related to human exposure of synthetic cannabinoids.



For the past several years, there has also been a growing use of, and interest in, synthetic cathinones (stimulants/hallucinogens) sold under the guise of “bath salts” or “plant food.” Marketed under names such as “Ivory Wave,” “Purple Wave,” “Vanilla Sky,” or “Bliss,” these products are comprised of a class of dangerous substances perceived to mimic cocaine, LSD, MDMA, and/or methamphetamine. Users have reported impaired perception, reduced motor control, disorientation, extreme paranoia, and violent episodes. The long-term physical and psychological effects of use are unknown but potentially severe. The American Association of Poison Control Centers reported 2,656 calls related to synthetic cathinone (“bath salts”) exposures in 2012 and overdose deaths have been reported as well.



These products have become increasingly popular, particularly among teens and young adults and those who mistakenly believe they can bypass the drug testing protocols of employers and government agencies to protect public safety.  They are sold at a variety of retail outlets, in head shops, and over the Internet. However, they have not been approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for human consumption or for medical use, and there is no oversight of the manufacturing process.



Controlled Substance Analogue Enforcement Act



While many of the designer drugs being marketed today that were seized as part of Project Synergy are not specifically prohibited in the Controlled Substances Act (CSA), the Controlled Substance Analogue Enforcement Act of 1986 (AEA) allows many of these drugs to be treated as controlled substances if they are proven to be chemically and/or pharmacologically similar to a Schedule I or Schedule II controlled substance.  A number of cases that are part of Project Synergy will be prosecuted federally under this analogue provision, which is being utilized to combat these new and emerging designer drugs.



DEA has used its emergency scheduling authority to combat both synthetic cathinones (the so-called “bath salts” with names like Ivory Wave, etc.) and synthetic cannabinoids (the so-called incense products like K2, Spice, etc.), temporarily placing several of these dangerous chemicals into Schedule I of the CSA. Congress has also acted, permanently placing 26 substances into Schedule I of the CSA in 2012.



For more information about this operation and synthetic designer drugs, visit www.dea.gov.



B-roll from Project Synergy is available at:

http://www.dvidshub.net/video/294719/cbp-dea-project-synergy-b-roll



Photos from Project Synergy available at www.dea.gov

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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: Novartis] * 1
    #18478766 - 06/27/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Boy, these law enforcers really lash out whenever they feel powerless.

A word to the wise: if they are not scheduled, they can only be charged if the products were intentionally sold for human consumption, regardless of their status as an analogue. If the prosecutors can't prove this, they'll probably get off scott free. The (unscheduled) products can be legitimately sold as research chemicals, among other things, despite the DEA conveniently calling these terms "euphemisms" for the sake of propaganda. Sigma Aldrich, for instance, sells these chemicals, or at least many that are similar to them, and they never seem to have the DEA accusing them of selling 'designer drugs'.

If a man sells kitchen knives for culinary purposes, why should they get in trouble when a buyer decides to cut himself with one? It doesn't make any sense.

Of course, I don't know what is involved with these particular cases. I am just here to educate.


Edit: clarification

Edited by Terratic (06/27/13 12:55 PM)

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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: Novartis]
    #18478779 - 06/27/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

So I guess there'll be a bunch of smaller vendors pop up? Cause they sure as shit can't shut down the Chinese labs. There are no laws there against any of this stuff.


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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: Novartis] * 1
    #18478874 - 06/27/13 10:16 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Futile counter offensive, looks like more of a publicity exercise than anything. The sooner they admit defeat the better

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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: Terratic] * 2
    #18478970 - 06/27/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Sigma Aldrich and similar companies operate as a de facto part of the DEA. The fact is the narco swine are lazy and stupid, if it wasn't for bust being spoon fed to them by Aldrich there would be a lot fewer busts.


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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #18479066 - 06/27/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

So they busted prepackaged spice and bathsalts big deal. Most rc users buy their shit pure with a nfhc tag written on everything. Oooo they really disrupted the scene and they know where we hide. Gimme a break. Wanna stop the scene DEA? Make chemistry and the internet illegal. What a joke.

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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: Odum]
    #18479200 - 06/27/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Wanna stop the scene DEA? Make chemistry and the internet illegal



I actually wouldnt doubt that they would attempt to do that.

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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #18479615 - 06/27/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

Odum said:
Wanna stop the scene DEA? Make chemistry and the internet illegal



I actually wouldnt doubt that they would attempt to do that.



at first at laughed when he said that, but than i was like, wait don't give them any ideas.


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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: theonlysun81]
    #18479745 - 06/27/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

log jam all over again

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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: Ogla]
    #18479836 - 06/27/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

They just gotta publish crap like this to justify us pouring money into the war on semi-legal/illegal drugs. We did fiance a war against ourselves that is unwinnable. What a mind fuck.

On a side note the mail just arrived with my perfected legal mind altering substances, my neighbor called and said he got new kush in, my coworkers take narcotic pills on a regular basis, and I drive by a project everyday where cocaine is sold in the open.


They sure are winning.

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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: Odum] * 2
    #18479927 - 06/27/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

looking forward to the illegalization of 25i


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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: Sheekle]
    #18480047 - 06/27/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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looking forward to the illegalization of 25i


keep up the good work boys




That won't get rid of it, unfortunately. People from the source labs will continue to synthesize it, and scammers will continue to import it (via you-know-what) as a cheap mimic of LSD, despite its illegality.

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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: Sheekle]
    #18480048 - 06/27/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks DEA for bumping up the profit these people will make and motivating them to sell more. All this is going to do is lead to more RC in America. Fucking idiots.

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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: Sheekle] * 2
    #18480349 - 06/27/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Sheekle said:
looking forward to the illegalization of 25i


keep up the good work boys




Feel free to rat on the operations selling pre laid blotters. That's human consumption, no one is selling gel caps of RC's.
Personally I don't really care, its like screaming for a ban on one of the ingredients of fake X pills. Banning stuff won't improve peoples access to real drugs or make a dent in the fake market.
Its wrong to cheer on the drug war just because they are banning something you don't like. You don't like your rights being taken away, so don't take others peoples rights away. There are people who like and enjoy this substance, don't blame them if you can't get real acid.

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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: my3rdeye]
    #18480486 - 06/27/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

it's funny, log jam went down almost a year ago and on a Thursday also

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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: Ogla] * 6
    #18480694 - 06/27/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

If you pay attention to the subtleties of the language, you can discern the massive ego trip that is involved with law enforcement:

TAKEDOWN!

SEIZURE!

LARGEST EVER!


For more info, see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micropenis


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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: Talib]
    #18481080 - 06/27/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

That B-Roll footage was awesome!!


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    #18481901 - 06/27/13 10:20 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: Greendreams]
    #18482142 - 06/27/13 11:32 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

THEY TOOK ER JOBS

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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: Jvells]
    #18482323 - 06/28/13 12:35 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

It appears that Congress will not rest until every substance known to man has been "scheduled." :boo:


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    #18482463 - 06/28/13 01:50 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

I know, I wouldn't be surprised if vitamin concentrates were scheduled and controlled.

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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: Ruca32]
    #18482515 - 06/28/13 02:10 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Great work.


LOL at all the noobs and phony hippies ITT who lash against DEA/LEO trying to put an end to the bullshit.

The only time i've had bad trips was from assholes irresponsible with RC's.

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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: Rumblefishtwist] * 1
    #18482674 - 06/28/13 04:05 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Great work.


LOL at all the noobs and phony hippies ITT who lash against DEA/LEO trying to put an end to the bullshit.

The only time i've had bad trips was from assholes irresponsible with RC's.




I'm not particularly fond of cathinones, synthetic cannabinoids or N-benzyl derivatives. Still, it's their controlling mentality and intolerance that keeps the conflict going, resolving very little in the process. Don't ban psychoactives just because people can't manage themselves; banning them obviously won't get rid of the problem—it hasn't. We can cheer at the DEA for punishing the "enemies" that cultivate and distribute the RCs, but what does that actually solve? Nothing. The problem will always remain until they decide to do the right thing, and revise their strategies.

If traditional psychoactives were (strictly) regulated and decriminalized, I doubt we'd have as many people using these other substances, whether willingly or unexpectedly. It's just common sense.

I suspect that politicians have under-the-table arrangements with private prison owners, and that might be why any sensible revision is being opposed.

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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: Terratic]
    #18482783 - 06/28/13 05:28 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Why do other countries bow down to our bullshit?  If a government organization from a foreign country came to the USA and tried to arrest people, they'd be thrown the fuck out (or worse).  Fuck these pussy countries that allow the DEA to apprehend their citizens.  Don't cry about how America brutalizes the world if you don't have the balls to tell us "no". 

Furthermore, they have no right to arrest smokeshop owners unless their products test positive for scheduled compounds.  Simply having "Spice" or "plant food" in your store is not grounds for arrest.  Those packets could contain powdered sugar for all they know. 

If they don't test positive for illegal drugs, these business owners should sue for lost profits, pain and suffering and anything else they can think of.  Even if they don't do prison time, they're losing thousands of dollars on confiscated product, lawyer fees and seized profits.  Not to mention the bad publicity.  The DEA should pay for that if they're found innocent.


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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: GettinPsilly]
    #18482839 - 06/28/13 06:05 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

I was trying to get an e-cig in charlotte, nc on wednesday, and there were cops at 2 locations of High Life smoke shop, stores closed.  Pretty damn sure they are related to this

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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: fungiamongi3]
    #18483060 - 06/28/13 08:21 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

I will never understand anyone's want to try a rc that is just suppose to replicate a tryed,tested and true drug.

At first I thought they took down a bunch of natural oil exporters....

that would have sucked.


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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: Terratic]
    #18483438 - 06/28/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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A word to the wise: if they are not scheduled, they can only be charged if the products were intentionally sold for human consumption, regardless of their status as an analogue. If the prosecutors can't prove this, they'll probably get off scott free. The (unscheduled) products can be legitimately sold as research chemicals, among other things, despite the DEA conveniently calling these terms "euphemisms" for the sake of propaganda. Sigma Aldrich, for instance, sells these chemicals, or at least many that are similar to them, and they never seem to have the DEA accusing them of selling 'designer drugs'.






That used to be true, but isn´t so much the case any more.  They have been charging people who sell chemicals that could be used as drugs, even without evidence of consumption.  Some of these people might get off in court, $100,000 in lawyer fees later, if the judge is in a good mood. 

If you have a lot of a RC, good luck convincing a judge that it wasn´t for consumption.  They know that no one cleans their toilet with methoxetamine.

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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #18483528 - 06/28/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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That used to be true, but isn´t so much the case any more.  They have been charging people who sell chemicals that could be used as drugs, even without evidence of consumption.  Some of these people might get off in court, $100,000 in lawyer fees later, if the judge is in a good mood. 

If you have a lot of a RC, good luck convincing a judge that it wasn´t for consumption.  They know that no one cleans their toilet with methoxetamine.




I don't mean to sound confrontational, but I request that you provide citations.

There is often a lack of ambiguity, usually with the person possessing blotter paper or other paraphernalia; I mean, these are smart shops selling the psychoactives as "plant food" and "incense." These are the only instances I have heard of. However, while I have heard of vendors being harassed by law enforcement officers for no good reason, I haven't heard of them being successfully convicted without sufficient evidence. LE aren't able to dictate what another person's intentions are; they legally require proof of intent.

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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: Terratic]
    #18483653 - 06/28/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't mean to sound confrontational, but I request that you provide citations.




I don´t have a link for you and I have to go get lunch now, but I think there was a methoxetamine vendor busted a few months ago that was charged without any evidence of use.

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LE aren't able to dictate what another person's intentions are; they legally require proof of intent.




If you read the analogue act, you´ll see that the language is kind of vague and open to interpretation.  How should a judge decide if a substance is intended for human consumption?  If it is a substance that is commonly used as a drug, and being sold from a shady website, then a judge might (correctly) conclude that it is intended for human consumption, even if there is no other evidence of drug use found at the site.  Especially if there is more than one RC found, and sketchy customers/payment methods, and maybe a weed pipe or previous drug convictions, it might be really hard to convince a judge that you didn´t intend for anyone to use the chemicals as drugs.

They need to show intent for a conviction, but they certainly don´t need it to charge you.  You would need to go to trial to get off, which is really expensive, and you would always have a felony arrest on your record.

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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #18483787 - 06/28/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

If you can find the article, that'd be much appreciated. I'll try to nitpick to see where they may have went wrong.

Operation Web Tryp/Ismene helped to set the standard at which these companies can operate without being held liable. Most of these companies require that you agree to their TOS—this includes legitimate chemical suppliers—stating that you do not intend to consume them. The majority of the folks who were arrested in that fiasco were never convicted, notwithstanding being shut down.

The limitation of products is certainly worthy of suspicion, narrowing down what their intentions could be. There are no laws stating that you have to sell this, that or the other thing. They can simply claim that there was a moral obligation, since the psychoactive chemicals are unresearched and in circulation, or that there was a popular demand, among other things.

The analogue act is very vague, indeed, but that also makes it a double-edged sword. Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat.

Edit: An arrest record is an inevitable stain, though; it's best to start with a clean record. Also, money should be set aside in case of a lawsuit. You can't be tried twice.

Edited by Terratic (06/28/13 01:03 PM)

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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: Terratic]
    #18484205 - 06/28/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Intent?  They have to prove the packet has an illegal analogue in it first!  What happens if those bath salt packets contain pure cane sugar?  (Unlikely, but humor me here).  Would they be charged with selling a look-alike of an analogue of an illegal drug? 

Point being: how can they arrest people for selling packets of something without verifying what's in it?


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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: GettinPsilly]
    #18484398 - 06/28/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

I think they can.

Let's say you tell someone that you're selling them LSD, but you're really selling an NBOMe chemical (or even sugar), you can technically be charged with selling LSD. It's also fraud. Even if that's not the case, if they find that you possess a vial of white powder—it could be anything, really—they can arrest and detain you until the test results come back. Laws might vary throughout different states and countries, though.

If it's just a look-alike of an analogue, that's a bit tricky! What if it's actually bath salts?

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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: Terratic]
    #18484759 - 06/28/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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That used to be true, but isn´t so much the case any more.  They have been charging people who sell chemicals that could be used as drugs, even without evidence of consumption.  Some of these people might get off in court, $100,000 in lawyer fees later, if the judge is in a good mood. 

If you have a lot of a RC, good luck convincing a judge that it wasn´t for consumption.  They know that no one cleans their toilet with methoxetamine.




I don't mean to sound confrontational, but I request that you provide citations.

There is often a lack of ambiguity, usually with the person possessing blotter paper or other paraphernalia; I mean, these are smart shops selling the psychoactives as "plant food" and "incense." These are the only instances I have heard of. However, while I have heard of vendors being harassed by law enforcement officers for no good reason, I haven't heard of them being successfully convicted without sufficient evidence. LE aren't able to dictate what another person's intentions are; they legally require proof of intent.







Alan is correct here. It does not matter what the analog act says. They are no longer really respecting the "human consumption" clause.

What does matter, is that so far all the government has to do is charge someone with a billion counts of selling a "controlled substance analog" explain to them that if they lose a jury trial they will be facing 20 years to life for major drug trafficking, and then sit back and watch as their lawyer scrambles for a plea deal. That has happened in just about every major RC bust I've heard of so far (with the exception of a few of the storefront vendors, some of whom I think may have gotten off a little lighter for vending out of a legal business-- which is kinda bullshit, if you ask me.)


The only exception to this I've seen so far is Charles Carlton and his partner (formerly "Motion Research") who are planning to go to trial the last I heard....



When they were busting all the people in logjam (I think that's when this was) the DEA released a document in which they more or less called substances X, Y, Z, etc "controlled substance analogs," flat-out, with no mention of "human consumption" being necessary. I think they even explicitly stated that the suspects denied any knowledge of people abusing their products. I'll see if I can dig this document up, but it might take a while.


I can also point to one vendor, specifically. He used to go by the name "East Coast Chems" before he changed the business name to "Simflux Resources" or something like that. This guy was very careful as far as I knew. He never talked HC, and he tried to keep his business as professional and on-the-level as he could. Perhaps this was why, according to him, he was surprised when he got busted around the time of log jam. (Making that even stranger, was the fact that logjam mostly went after not only storefronts, but mainly people who were selling "herbal incense" blends and bath salt blends-- neither of which ECC/Simflux took part in).



I can pretty much assure you, that if you get caught with any quantity of these chems by the feds, especially a larger amount, you will likely face charges. They will not have to prove human consumption-- they will only have to threaten you with losing between 2 decades and the rest of your life in federal prison. If that's not enough to scare you into a plea, you probably will get fucked by a jury. I don't really want to believe that, and I'm not trying to be a pessimist here, but let's face it:  80-90% of potential jurors out there have probably already been "poisoned" (aka made biased) due to the heavy sensationalistic reports about "bath salts zombies" and people going to the ER because of smoking "fake pot."

All they have to do is tell Mr. And Mrs. Average Dutiful Citizen of the jury that the chemicals you were caught with are the very same chemicals they've heard about in "bath salts" and you're pretty much fucked.


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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #18486861 - 06/29/13 04:19 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

In the court cases that were associated with Operation Web Tryp/Ismene, as mentioned above, they had a very difficult time determining certain chemicals as analogues, such as the similarities between AET and DMT; in many cases, they often weren't able to convince the jury. Under threat, most voluntarily decided to shut down their operations, had all of their money seized, and one had to pay restitution. Of the many who were arrested—not only the distributors, but some buyers were tracked down—5 out of the 10 people who were involved with vending were convicted (plea bargain), and the majority of buyers were let off the hook, most evading custodial sentences. Their practices and diligence should be called into question, however.

Under the CSAEA, the analogues they were selling were not strictly prohibited when used/distributed in accordance to certain provisions. A handful of them had incriminating evidence against them, i.e., one guy was caught distributing the RCs at a rave, while simultaneously selling them online. That's a big no-no.

I am not debating that vendors get harassed and threatened by LE—even overseas, they have issues with law enforcement, credit card companies, and so forth—but if certain fellows are willing to duke it out, provided that they are careful about how they present their company and distribution/use policies (stating intended use, passing all onus onto the buyer), it would be very difficult to convict them, despite the jural predisposition. If they were to survive that ordeal, LE can't try them again for the same crime. If they decide to cave in under pressure, well, that's their choice. I can empathize with that decision.

I'm not disagreeing with Alan; he's raising some very good points. However, I feel obligated to disaffirm certain assumptions and elaborate on the vendors' wrongdoings and mistakes, that of which made their actions easier to criminalize. There are some North American vendors that remain functional, regardless of disputes.

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Re: DEA ANNOUNCES LARGEST-EVER SYNTHETIC DRUG TAKEDOWN [Re: Terratic]
    #18494404 - 06/30/13 08:35 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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In the court cases that were associated with Operation Web Tryp/Ismene, as mentioned above, they had a very difficult time determining certain chemicals as analogues, such as the similarities between AET and DMT; in many cases, they often weren't able to convince the jury. Under threat, most voluntarily decided to shut down their operations, had all of their money seized, and one had to pay restitution. Of the many who were arrested—not only the distributors, but some buyers were tracked down—5 out of the 10 people who were involved with vending were convicted (plea bargain), and the majority of buyers were let off the hook, most evading custodial sentences. Their practices and diligence should be called into question, however.

Under the CSAEA, the analogues they were selling were not strictly prohibited when used/distributed in accordance to certain provisions. A handful of them had incriminating evidence against them, i.e., one guy was caught distributing the RCs at a rave, while simultaneously selling them online. That's a big no-no.

I am not debating that vendors get harassed and threatened by LE—even overseas, they have issues with law enforcement, credit card companies, and so forth—but if certain fellows are willing to duke it out, provided that they are careful about how they present their company and distribution/use policies (stating intended use, passing all onus onto the buyer), it would be very difficult to convict them, despite the jural predisposition. If they were to survive that ordeal, LE can't try them again for the same crime. If they decide to cave in under pressure, well, that's their choice. I can empathize with that decision.

I'm not disagreeing with Alan; he's raising some very good points. However, I feel obligated to disaffirm certain assumptions and elaborate on the vendors' wrongdoings and mistakes, that of which made their actions easier to criminalize. There are some North American vendors that remain functional, regardless of disputes.









Tell that to all the vendors currently facing criminal charges. I'm sure they'll feel deeply comforted by it.

But I'll remind you that the tryptamines that were the focus of webtryp:


1- Were not highly addictive stimulants and cannabinoids that had numerous documented emergency room visits associated with them in just a few short years....

2- ...after an absolute explosion of widespread use. Chemicals via the internet were a much more obscure phenomenon back then...

3- were not repeatedly demonized ih the media...

4- ...and were not tied to a few handfuls of recent deaths.



Very different situation, and if you consider those (and similar) points, I think you'll see that.


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    #18581474 - 07/19/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

So who all got busted over this?

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