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Project Mastermind- Are you in? * 2
    #18470677 - 06/25/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

What is Project Mastermind?




The goal of project mastermind is to catapult human performance from its current level to a much higher level within a short period of time. The timeframe of project mastermind is four months. By following the program for four months, one will achieve happiness, excellent physical, mental and emotional health, greatly improved intelligence and cognitive function, excellent dream recall and frequent lucid dreams, better strength, balance, flexibility, endurance and coordination, inner peace and enlightenment.

The project has the following platforms

1. Diet
2. Supplements
3. Yoga
4. Meditation
5. Brain training exercises
6. Nootropic Drugs
7. Things to avoid
8. Dreaming
9. Psychedelics


I will now elaborate on each platform:

1. Diet:

The mastermind diet is based on first eliminating refined sugars. Candy, donuts, icecream, cake- all these kinds of things are absolutely out.

Next, eliminates heavily processed foods with many additives such as preservatives. Pizza pops, frozen instant meals, potato chips- all that kind of heavily manufactured unnatural food is out.

Third, the diet aims to heavily limit carbohydrate intake. For the most part pasta, bread, and white rice are all out. The diet is basically no wheat, no refined simple carbohydrates. Only a small amount of complex high fiber all natural carbohydrates will be eaten, specifically oatmeal.

Fourth, the diet is very high in fresh , uncooked fruits and vegetables. A wide variety of fresh fruits and vegetables will be eaten every day, raw.

Fifth, the diet Is very high in protein. However, only specific forms of protein are eaten. The diet emphasizes elk, bison, turkey and freshwater fish for protein. Ocean fish such as sardines and anchovies may be eaten (but not tuna or salmon). Beef, chicken and pork will not be eaten.

The diet will emphasize superfoods. The following superfoods will be eaten daily: Spinach, broccoli, raw garlic, raw cacao, hemp oil, coconut oil, olive oil, spirullina, white tea, kombucha, chlorella, apple cider vinegar, raw miso, vega all in one and vega protein.

2. Supplements:

The following supplements will be taken daily : Vitamin C, B vitamin complex, Norwegian kelp, milk thistle, N acetyl L Cysteine, Reishi mushroom, Chagga mushroom, cordyceps mushroom, Fish oil, Coenzyme Q10, S adenosyl Methionine (SAMe), melatonin, creatine and vitamin D.
These are not necessarily taken all at once, but five or six of these will be taken at a time, then cycle to a different set for a while.

3. Yoga will be practiced for between one hour and ninety minutes a day. For the most part this will be Moksha style hot yoga, but various other forms of yoga will occasionally be included. The yoga will be done shortly after waking up, before work and the other duties of the day. The yoga will be under professional instruction as part of a class.

4. Meditation will be practiced for between one and two hours a day. Three styles of meditation will be used in alternation. In all three forms of meditation, begin by assuming lotus posture.



The first style of meditation is the one used and taught by the Buddha himself when he gained enlightenment under the Bodhi tree. In this style one focuses the attention on the nostril openings, then inhales and exhales while keeping the attention locked on the inflow and outflow of the breath, thinking to oneself “I am breathing in…  I am breathing out”. The eyes should be closed.


In this style the hands rest in the lap, one on top of the other, with the thumbs touching evenly. This is an essentially Buddhist meditation.

In the second style of meditation one chants or sings out loud the Mahamantra or supreme mantra, which is “Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Kirshna Hare Hare, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare”. Ideally this should be chanted 108 times, while counting on a Hindu rosary called a mala, which has 108 beads (occasionally with a 109th master bead that is not counted). For this meditation the hands rest on the knees, palms up, tip of the pointer finger touching the tip of the thumb.

For this hare Krishna meditation, one can stand and dance if one prefers, or one can play the bongo drum while one is chanting. One can chant together with a group or alone. One may wish to play a youtube video or music track of other people chanting the mantra and chant along with them. You can be very loud or just loud enough to hear yourself. The eyes may be open or closed.

This is an essentially Hindu meditation.

The third and final style of meditation that will be used in project mastermind is simply chanting the mantra OM. One takes a deep, full breathe, then chants a long, drawn out vibrating OM until the air is completely gone from the lungs. Then another long, full inhale and repeat. The mantra should be chanted 108 times while counting on a Mala and sitting in lotus position with eyes closed or half closed.

This meditation is shared equally by Hindus and Buddhists. All three styles will be practiced, for a minimum of a half an hour each. You could do all three for half an hour, or you could do two for an hour each, then switch the next day. Any combination is acceptable as long as all three are used and at least 90 minutes (aiming for two hours) of meditation occurs each day.

5. Brain Training Exercises:

Brain training exercises are specifically designed cognitive tasks based on the principles of neuroscience that help rewire the brain in order to improve various factors of cognitive performance, including concentration, memory, problem solving, mental math, response time, etc.
A good example of these are the lumosity brain training games available online or on an Iphone. Use these games or others like them for one hour a day, in order to improve the strength, resilience and capabilities of the brain.

6. Nootropic Drugs:

Nootropic drugs are substances that can improve various capacities of the brain. They can prevent or undo brain damage caused by drug use, alcohol, physical trauma or oxygen deprivation. They can also prevent alzheimers, raise overall intelligence, and improve concentration, memory, problem solving, response time and other elements of intelligence.
Two nootropic drugs will be used. First, Noopept will be taken three times a day at recommended dosages for 2 months. Then Piracetam will be used for the next two months, then switch back. Noopept and piracetam will be cycled in this way, so that one takes first one, then the other, then repeats.

7. Things to avoid:

Alcohol is neurotoxic and kills brain cells. Harmful to the heart and liver and is carcinogenic. Therefore no alcohol will be consumed.
Methamphetamine, cocaine, crack, amphetamines, heroin- all pose unacceptable risks and cause damage to the heart, brain and body. Therefore no such “hard drugs” will be consumed.
Caffeine will be consumed only in the form of green or white tea or the occasional small coffee. No energy drinks or caffeine pills will be consumed due to the cardiac risk and agitation involved.

Candy, sugar, chocolate bar, breakfast cereal, cakes, chips, fast food, and junk food of any kind will not be consumed. No pork or beef will be consumed.

Cigarettes and nicotine will not be consumed due to the high addiction risk and multiple serious health risks.
Also avoid negative mental influences such as mainstream news, stupid mind-numbing television (the Ricki Lake show, etc), violent slasher torture movies (hostel, etc), and degrading, violent sexual pornography.
As much as possible, monitor your thoughts and steer your mind away from unwholesome thoughts such as thoughts of violence, rape, murder, torture, greed, etc.
Also avoid MSG, aspartame, soda pop etc.
Marijuana may be used but only as edibles or with a vaporizer.

8. Dreaming:

A notebook and pen will be kept beside the bed and all dreams that can be recalled will be written down in maximum detail first thing upon awakening each morning, or if one awakens during the night. Each entry is to be carefully dated with day month and year. Later in the day the dream is to be read over and one is to spend a few minutes reflection on what meaning it may have to them. If no meaning is apparent that is fine, if some meaning suggests itself write it down. This practice will develop excellent dream recall until multiple dreams are remembered each night.

Once dream recall is mastered, lucid dream training begins. This involves three simple training exercises.

The first is the “reality check”. This means regularly checking to see if you are asleep while awake and attempting a specific test. The tests I use are sticking a finger through the palm of my hand or flying. In dreams I can do both of those things, awake I cannot. So multiple times a day when awake I will ask myself “am I dreaming” and then attempt to stick my finger through my hand. Eventually this will become a habit (try to do it every hour, ideally set a watch to beep every hour to remind you). In time you will do your check and find that you ARE dreaming. You are now lucid.

The second lucid dream induction method is the interrupted sleep technique. In this technique when you wake up in the morning get out of bed, walk around your house, have a glass of water, wait about 3-5 minutes awake, then return to sleep. The interrupted sleep technique will induce lucid dreams in the majority of people after a time.

The third lucid dream technique is to focus on achieving a lucid dream as you fall asleep. As you lay in bed falling asleep, focus your mind on the intention “tonight I will have a lucid dream. I will be aware that I am dreaming. When I fall asleep, I will have a lucid dream. I will realize when I am dreaming”. Continue to think thoughts like this until you fall asleep. Set the intention.

Combining the daily dream journal with these three lucid dream induction techniques will lead to perfect dream recall and regular lucid dreams. Once that state has been achieved there are other high level dream training disciplines to do some truly extraordinary things, but those are too advanced for this description.

9. Psychedelics
At the end of each successful month of the program, having followed the diet, yoga and meditation program, and having abstained from all the things listed as unacceptable, one may choose to smoke a single dose of DMT, after ritual preparation including meditation, in order to connect to the multi-dimensionality of being and commune with the entities of hyperspace. This is optional.
If available, an Ayahuasca ceremony under the guidance of a shaman should be participated in.



Summary:
Project Mastermind is a full-spectrum strategy for achieving optimum human performance within a condensed four month time frame. It is an intense program requiring significant alterations to many aspects of lifestyle. Many things must be avoided altogether, many other things must be sought out and ingested regularly, and multiple hours must be dedicated each day to yoga and meditation. Other forms of exercise such as running, weightlifting and martial arts are highly encouraged but are not part of the core program and are considered beneficial extras to be added in whenever possible.

The benefits of following project Mastermind are as follows: Inner peace, reduced stress, increased mental and physical performance, better strength, balance, flexibility, coordination, improved mental, physical and emotional health, happiness, spiritual growth, improved intelligence, concentration, memory, problem solving, and improved cognitive performance, better dream recall and the ability to have regular lucid dreams. It will also ultimately lead to enlightenment, satori and nirvana- spiritual awakening and liberation. Project mastermind will also lead to enhanced longevity and a greater likelihood of a longer lifespan. It will lead to the realization of your own multi-dimensionality, and you will become a shaman, able to enter other realities at will and commune with the beings that inhabit them. Finally you will achieve peace, joy, bliss, resilience and equanimity in the face of hardship.

I have outlined the details of project Mastermind here for my own reference, as I am now beginning this process myself. Today is the first day of my four month process, and I wanted to post this here so that anyone who wants to can adopt it in whole or in part for their own use. Note that although this is a four month program, it can and should be practiced indefinitely for the rest of ones life.

Namaste.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #18470690 - 06/25/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Shit im in :smile: i already do all those things anyway


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Mushroom94] * 1
    #18473801 - 06/26/13 08:49 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

I did the very same thing for two-three months. Well, very much along the same lines, I recognise a lot of the supplements.


At the time I was working very few hours and working just to eat and meditate, and meditate I did.


I would say that the best benefits from meditation can be reached by sitting in meditation for a very long continuous period of time and actively peering deeper into the meditation until you reach Samadhi at which point you dive into absorption and turn your awareness onto itself even more so than it already was (this will make a lot more sense if you do it and see what I mean).


You can learn some incredible things in this state. I have some powerful psychedelic insights that will stay with me forever and have infused into who I am now so I am not even capable of forgetting them.

Sitting down (or standing or moving, whatever!) for a long uninterrupted time is what produces the most transformative changes to your inner experience IME. And these changes, they can be things like learning where a long dormant stress resides in your body and releasing it, or finally seeing the reason for a particular addiction and eradicating its root.


Or my favourite, there is this little channel of energy flow somewhere near the soft fleshy bit of the roof of your mouth, your inner nasal passages and the brain-stem itself and the core low-level part of the brain around it. If you pay close attention you will notice that your thoughts originate from this point. So by spending a long time actively controlling the flow of this circuit and watching how each time it fires a spark a new thought is generated, you begin to *learn* how to switch off the thought-generator at its root, just as you learn to walk.

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The first style of meditation is the one used and taught by the Buddha himself when he gained enlightenment under the Bodhi tree. In this style one focuses the attention on the nostril openings, then inhales and exhales while keeping the attention locked on the inflow and outflow of the breath, thinking to oneself “I am breathing in…  I am breathing out”. The eyes should be closed.


In this style the hands rest in the lap, one on top of the other, with the thumbs touching evenly. This is an essentially Buddhist meditation.




This is actually exactly how I came to that point of awareness myself. The flow of air through the upper/inner nasal passages corresponds to a flow of blood/life-energy through the brain-stem. Careful modulation of the breath focusing on the points where in becomes out and out becomes in, will lead to a distinct cultivation of control of the origin of thought. Without breath, there is no thought.

The position comes naturally... this is my default meditation posture. When you silence the body by making it 100% comfortable, you also silence the prime reason any thoughts originate. With a comfortable body you are fighting a smaller army of impulses that arise!






Then with that switch turned off, you become less like a cup holding water and much more like a canyon through which a river of life runs, like everything comes in to your body and goes straight through instantly, your mind acknowledges it all but does not hold onto anything because it is immediately fixated on the ever flowing stream.


This marks the beginning of meditative CONCENTRATION. Now you can use your brain to sharply focus on a single object at a time, which works wonders for all sorts of life activities that demand perfect concentration. The key point is that by this time, your mind is now impervious to distractions. You are now the master of the horse, the horse has been tamed. Now it will not jump and thrash wildly in directions, it will calmly look towards wherever you point it and take heed instantly.






I would very strongly recommend full celibacy (Brahmacharya) for anyone wishing to undergo such a cocoon-like transformative experience. When you release sexual energy you lose a massive amount of meditative concentration power. You lose the "oomph" or inner fury that actually POWERS concentration in the first place. Without this oomph, you will not be really looking properly at objects, your eyes shall go in such a direction but they will not truly see. Your mind will be hazy (prolactin is a dopamine antagonist AFAIK and dopamine => wakefulness), and haze is the opposite of concentration. I noted that I only really entered Samadhi after building up sexual energy for a few weeks. Though however AFAIK this is only required to help enter the state. When you are aware of how to enter, then releasing will not quite stop you from entering but it will still make it much harder.


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"Everything there is, and all that there is, is a Pattern of unspeakable proportion. The Pattern contains everything that is, completely fixed in succession, all the minimal particles interconnected in every way that is. Every way that is is not every conceivable way, because not everything that can be conceived is manifest in the pattern."

"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

"If boring drudgery was the way of the universe, everything would have killed itself long ago." - Spacerific


Edited by crkhd (06/26/13 08:56 AM)


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: crkhd] * 1
    #18473883 - 06/26/13 09:17 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Wow, thank you for that inspiring and educational post!

I do not think I can go full celibacy , as I am
Married and it would not be fair to my wife.

However, I will resolve not to masturbate, which will reduce the frequency of my orgasms substantially.

You have strengthened my resolve ! I will also try to meditate for prolonged periods (longer than 2 hours) when possible.

Thank you!


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #18473887 - 06/26/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

I've been doing something similar for almost 40 years now. I do fall off the wagon occasionally.  But at 60 I have the body and skin of a 40 year old and I haven't been to a doctor in many years and i have enough energy to be really active all day, day in and out.  I'm also a mental giant. :grin:

I'm not enlightened however and most everyone on this forum disagrees with my pov. :satansmoking:


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #18474594 - 06/26/13 01:01 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Moonshoe said:
Wow, thank you for that inspiring and educational post!

I do not think I can go full celibacy , as I am
Married and it would not be fair to my wife.

However, I will resolve not to masturbate, which will reduce the frequency of my orgasms substantially.

You have strengthened my resolve ! I will also try to meditate for prolonged periods (longer than 2 hours) when possible.

Thank you!




The world of Tantra beckons... celibacy does not mean you stop sexual relations with your wife! That's the best thing about the nature of the body. Total union of the male and female is as far even as used want to go do look more like.


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"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

"If boring drudgery was the way of the universe, everything would have killed itself long ago." - Spacerific


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: crkhd] * 1
    #18474682 - 06/26/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

crkhd said:
The world of Tantra beckons... celibacy does not mean you stop sexual relations with your wife! That's the best thing about the nature of the body. Total union of the male and female is as far even as used want to go do look more like.




If the goal of tantra is incoherence, you can save yourself the effort and inhale some glue like the other 4chan users :tongue:


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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    #18474808 - 06/26/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Nice post.  A small quibble re: your prohibitions as far as alcohol and other "hard" drugs, though:  Personally, I've grown the most spiritually whenever I've followed the road of excess rather than that of moderation.  Life shouldn't be about timidly adhering to some illusory ideal of safety out of death anxiety or some similar fear--instead it's only been by accepting the fact of my inevitable mortality that I've been able to truly experience all that life has had to offer.

After all, the most extreme stresses produce the most durable metals: I'll take the highest highs of euphoric bliss AND the lowest lows of intense agony over the mundane mediocrity of myopic moderation.  :bliss:

There are people who strictly deprive themselves of each and every eatable, drinkable, and smokeable which has in any way acquired a shady reputation. They pay this price for health. And health is all they get for it. How strange it is. It is like paying out your whole fortune for a cow that has gone dry.
-Mark Twain


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: deCypher] * 1
    #18474941 - 06/26/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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deCypher said:

After all, the most extreme stresses produce the most durable metals: I'll take the highest highs of euphoric bliss AND the lowest lows of intense agony over the mundane mediocrity of myopic moderation.  :bliss:





Do you think if you saw a psychiatrist that you'd be diagnosed as bipolar?


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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    #18475232 - 06/26/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Well said. Maybe ill compromise and allow alcohol in moderation.

Edit: I am sticking to the strict no alcohol in accordance with the fifth precept of Buddhism.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #18475243 - 06/26/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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Well said. Maybe ill compromise and allow alcohol in moderation.




It's only 4 months IMO.... You created the terms of this experiment, and now you're back peddling on actually performing it.  Was your original idea to never use alcohol again?


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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    #18475353 - 06/26/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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Well said. Maybe ill compromise and allow alcohol in moderation.




What about Heroin then?:hissyfit:  In moderation of course.


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    #18475591 - 06/26/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Posting to save this as a guideline.
The cost of supplements and food would be taxing.

OP please keep updating as you take this on, let us know about the good days and the difficulties you run into.


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    #18475653 - 06/26/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Cutting processed foods out of your diet is not going to be expensive.  Your diet may not be as optimum as the OP's diet, but you can do it.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: CosmicJoke] * 1
    #18475664 - 06/26/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

:facepalm: I've been meaning to stop eating potato chips, but I just had some... ugh, the tasty temptation. :cool:

I find the best way to cut out a food is to just not have it around me. Eventually, you can say no to it in public and you'll have the social support of friends to help you, but in private is a different story. If it's easily accessible is usually my downfall.

I like the idea of the OP, but some of it seems too exclusive. For instance, I practice yoga daily, but I don't have the opportunity to practice in a class because I live in a small town that doesn't offer classes. I also don't see why nootropics are valued over other substances.

But I do like the idea of the OP, there are many ideas I've been trying to incorporate into my daily/weekly ritual. I may just modify the rules to meet my specific abilities.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Beside the Garden] * 1
    #18475708 - 06/26/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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Beside the Garden said:
Posting to save this as a guideline.
The cost of supplements and food would be taxing.

OP please keep updating as you take this on, let us know about the good days and the difficulties you run into.




The supplements are completely unnecessary.  I speak as a supplement salesman for over 20 years.  Eat lite, eat colorful unprocessed food and you are good to go.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Penelope_Tree] * 1
    #18475732 - 06/26/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Well, we all have different sets of stimulus conditions, here in Portland we have nearly endless opportunities to practice whatever variety of yoga you can think of.  But there are literally three places I could access 24/7 by throwing some flip flops on and walking for less than a minute to get Ben and Jerry's ice cream.  I basically live immersed in public, amazing food is always within my reach as a temptation.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: CosmicJoke] * 1
    #18475767 - 06/26/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Same here. I have the best food store I've ever been in within a five minute walk from my house.


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    #18475849 - 06/26/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Im sure. I have very little processed food as it is, the expensive part comes from all the raw food, 3,000+ calories seams difficult to maintain. Maybe i will start a recipe thread.

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The supplements are completely unnecessary.  I speak as a supplement salesman for over 20 years.  Eat lite, eat colorful unprocessed food and you are good to go.



Agreed food is medicine, but his post was to optimism in 4 months so that's where the supplements come into play. I don't know if they would be advantageous or not. I've been taking a multivitamin and 3 fish oils every day for 7 months now and have noticed a difference over time.


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    #18476103 - 06/26/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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Well, we all have different sets of stimulus conditions,




Definitely true. I think identifying which conditions work best & which are triggers for undesirable behavior is the key to success.

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That sounds awesome, and I could deal with that (I'm actually getting sick of being so isolated). It's when I invite the potato chips into my house that they turn into vampire energies.


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    #18476204 - 06/26/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

moonshoe, how much time do you spent in front of the PC?

you didnt talk about limiting use of electronic media. i personally think it's detrimental for me, but i spent way too much time for sure.


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    #18476236 - 06/26/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

you should try adding some tai chi and qi gong exercises into the mix. i think it would gel with your routine quite well. :thumbup:


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Beside the Garden]
    #18476284 - 06/26/13 07:47 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Please keep us updated on your progress, Moonshoe.

This kind of stuff is great, and has so much potential because now in this age we have so much information! I think we will see schools like this start popping up everywhere, creating happy healthy enlightened people.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #18476346 - 06/26/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

What about sex and masturbation? Would masturbation be encouraged, discouraged, moderation?

I really don't know anything about tantric practises, perhaps I will so some research and then give my input.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Icelander]
    #18476696 - 06/26/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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Well said. Maybe ill compromise and allow alcohol in moderation.




What about Heroin then?:hissyfit:  In moderation of course.




I'm reminded of when you fasted for a couple weeks and posted daily.  In retrospect, that was fuckin' cool :thumbup:  I'll be surprised if this thread is alive in 4mo.  So few people ever follow through with a real challenge.  I'm not sure if the health benefits of this project are even real.  Maybe what's really important is finding out whether or not you're a complete milquetoast :lol:


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Icelander]
    #18478388 - 06/27/13 07:36 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Posting to save this as a guideline.
The cost of supplements and food would be taxing.

OP please keep updating as you take this on, let us know about the good days and the difficulties you run into.




The supplements are completely unnecessary.  I speak as a supplement salesman for over 20 years.  Eat lite, eat colorful unprocessed food and you are good to go.




:lolsy:

On TV atm, in the ad breaks between goals in AFL footy, they have former champion players going on about how good these latest brand name vitamins or tablets or whatever are as an advertisment. Always gives me and Dad a good laugh especially since at the start of the year one of the team's health programs was leaked due to using banned substances. They had upwards of 50 hard to obtain peptides, amino acid compounds, anti obesity drugs, all sorts of stuff on the list of what they used in the previous year. And we're expected to believe that professional athletes really use and rely on an OTC tablet called "Stamina" or "Protein" or "Awake" for their drug regime.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: lolwut]
    #18478448 - 06/27/13 08:01 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

^


It's very true that the supplement industry is a scam. That is, that industry oriented towards people into sports or who want to lose 100kg of fat overnight. A dumbass can be scammed a thousand ways and then some more.


But do not think for a second that these supplements mentioned in the OP are part of that scam. The nootropic industry is not aimed at dumbasses who can't string a sentence together whose only sole method of communication with the outside world is their wallet. When it comes to these things like NAC or COQ-10 they all have incredible pharmacological value.


Why is it I can take these supplements and feel superhuman and another person takes them and thinks "placebo, useless"? Hint: KNOWLEDGE. If you take these supplements with no idea of why they work, what receptors they hit, what kind of body systems stasis you're messing with and the implications, you will derive no benefit. It makes little sense to recommend a small stack of random things which might suit *YOU* but they could destroy someone else or more than likely, just not work much if at all.


When in truth, a little NAC or zinc or this or that taken at the right time can be the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak and triggered a much larger response in the self.


If you KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE DOING then supplements are a very easy way to induce "drug"-free heaven. It's like playing a game of hot potato, targeting one system after the other with slight (or heavy!) nudges so that the sum total is pure serene ecstatic bliss.





Also OP, why are you backpeddling on the alcohol? I found that the reduced inhibitions from alcohol cause me to fuck up a lot. The reduction of inhibition lasts for several days post-ingestion of alcohol, it does not merely go away after you cease to be drunk/tipsy. If you are *making active changes for the better* then you will kind of have to struggle with yourself to manifest those changes. Alcohol is like the diametric opposite of struggling and self-control. Alcohol = disregard consequences, acquire gratification. No, that is not the trait of a warrior.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: crkhd]
    #18478478 - 06/27/13 08:13 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

IMO a person is more of a "warrior" for being able to use alcohol like the tool that it is: something that shouldn't be used lightly, yet nonetheless in the right circumstances it can be very spiritually rewarding.  Not to mention teetotallers live shorter lives than moderate drinkers.  :wink:

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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: deCypher] * 1
    #18479695 - 06/27/13 01:59 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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IMO a person is more of a "warrior" for being able to use alcohol like the tool that it is:"







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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: crkhd]
    #18479730 - 06/27/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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^


It's very true that the supplement industry is a scam. That is, that industry oriented towards people into sports or who want to lose 100kg of fat overnight. A dumbass can be scammed a thousand ways and then some more.


But do not think for a second that these supplements mentioned in the OP are part of that scam. The nootropic industry is not aimed at dumbasses who can't string a sentence together whose only sole method of communication with the outside world is their wallet. When it comes to these things like NAC or COQ-10 they all have incredible pharmacological value.


Why is it I can take these supplements and feel superhuman and another person takes them and thinks "placebo, useless"? Hint: KNOWLEDGE. If you take these supplements with no idea of why they work, what receptors they hit, what kind of body systems stasis you're messing with and the implications, you will derive no benefit. It makes little sense to recommend a small stack of random things which might suit *YOU* but they could destroy someone else or more than likely, just not work much if at all.


When in truth, a little NAC or zinc or this or that taken at the right time can be the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak and triggered a much larger response in the self.





Also OP, why are you backpeddling on the alcohol? I found that the reduced inhibitions from alcohol cause me to fuck up a lot. The reduction of inhibition lasts for several days post-ingestion of alcohol, it does not merely go away after you cease to be drunk/tipsy. If you are *making active changes for the better* then you will kind of have to struggle with yourself to manifest those changes. Alcohol is like the diametric opposite of struggling and self-control. Alcohol = disregard consequences, acquire gratification. No, that is not the trait of a warrior.




Thanks for the reminder. I made a pact with my best friend we would only drink socially, when out with friends for dinner or something, and never alone.

But I am going to struggle for complete abstinence form alcohol for the reasons you mentioned. Thanks for reminding me that this is an important part of the project and alcohol can only hold me back from success.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: deCypher]
    #18480009 - 06/27/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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IMO a person is more of a "warrior" for being able to use alcohol like the tool that it is: something that shouldn't be used lightly, yet nonetheless in the right circumstances it can be very spiritually rewarding.  Not to mention teetotallers live shorter lives than moderate drinkers.  :wink:

"I am the Snake that giveth Knowledge & Delight and bright glory, and stir the hearts of men with drunkenness. To worship me take wine and strange drugs whereof I will tell my prophet, & be drunk thereof! They shall not harm ye at all. It is a lie, this folly against self. The exposure of innocence is a lie. Be strong, O man! lust, enjoy all things of sense and rapture: fear not that any God shall deny thee for this."






This isn't really a matter of who can drink alcohol and hold it down and has hair on their chest.


This is a matter of scientifically seeking a specific mind-state, which is without a shade of a doubt obscured by alcohol. It is also obscured by many other things like tranquilisers, PCP, .50cal bullets through the brain amongst others but then OP didn't say he was going to dabble in a little PCP.


I totally agree that alcohol should be used in moderation but there are times and places where alcohol has no time and place and here is one of them. To reach peak consciousness-flow needs extreme subtlety of the mind and alcohol doesn't do that and you and I very well know that; it smears your consciousness out over a few more seconds than before so consequently you can trip and fall and stumble when normally you would have sharply bounced away.


Now if someone can drink alcohol and preserve subtlety of the mind then much more power to them but again you and I both well know that the overwhelming majority of humans turn weaker and depraved when given alcohol. That is an intrinsic outcome of the drug, which lowers inhibitions. If you are sitting down and saying "OK for the next four months I am purposefully cultivating SELF-CONTROL" then how does it make sense to ingest something which REDUCES SELF CONTROL in that time phase? You have the rest of your life to drink to your heart's content. This is like sitting down for a one minute's solemn silence only for some random donut in the crowd to go "SQUAWK" halfway through.


If seeking coolness, avoid matches and fire. Simple as that really.




Also, I will say the same for all intoxicating substances. Including tobacco and marijuana, less so marijuana and more so tobacco. IME you need to ingest sustances that create CLARITY. The extensive list of superfoods definitely induces clarity. Tobacco briefly induces clarity but it swiftly takes it away because your mind is distracted by the tobacco craving and it might get in the way of other things. The amount of times I have skipped doing something useful just to first smoke a cig amazes me, I am certainly not saying that everyone or even most people are like this... but only one thing - watch out for the snares and traps you lay down for your self. If something feels like it's not going to jive, it is NOT going to jive. I have fought this battle of knowing it's not good for me, doing it anyway because feelsgoodman.jpg and acknowledging past me's "I told you so dumbass" enough times to say these words...




Above all... solemnity and reverence will be your friend during this journey. Know the difference between lust and love and practice self-love, and more often than not if you are anything like me, that will be tough love. Deny yourself the little sweets to get to the mountain of cheesecake you truly desire; deny, not deprive.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #18480624 - 06/27/13 05:31 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I commend anyone who is able to follow your regiment, but it my experience the rigidity can lead to some blow back. I'd say every circumstance is unique, and there are times when one can get drunk, eat at Taco Bell, etc etc and you can be alright. However, if you carry this notion of "purity" then when you inevitably do partake in these actions you are going to drag yourself down with the negative thoughts. For instance, I try not to eat meat but I do eat meat when it is offered to me. I don't make people go out of their way to cook specifically to me.

For people who work 40 hours a week, and have hobbies or whatever, doing all those prescribed meditations and what have you is going to become taxing and nearly impossible. For me, a more attainable goal is 30 minutes or meditation a day, an overall healthy diet rich with fruits and vegetables, the occasional MDMA at a show, or mushrooms in the woods, or getting smashed with friends at an open bar. If I eat healthy and exercise 4-5 times a week I don't think I need any supplements. Everything in moderation, yea know.   

IMO the idea of meditation to to slowly but surely bring a sense of mindfullness into all areas of life. The sitting, the chanting or the zazen or w/e, is just the start. But for reals, good luck with the plan. You definitely outlined some really important ideas/practices. :thumbup:


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #18481300 - 06/27/13 07:59 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I am going to update the project.

*Exercise does not have to be yoga but can be weight training, Martial Arts, or I do a combo of Weight training, yoga, and Cardio.

*Masturbation should be avoided for clearer lucidity in dreams and increased energy, however healthy sex is encouraged because of the energy produced(Instead of lost).

*Diet does not have to be so strict but stick to nutritional facts ( for example red meat is discouraged more than a few times a week and natural food is recommended and maybe add a multivitamin?)

*Meditation should at least include Anapana/Vipassana. Chanting OM helps stabilize the mind but chanting should be optional.

*Include a reading of some type of inspirational/spiritual text as often as you can to keep your thinking positive.

*Include Psychedelic of choice (DMT, LSD, Mushrooms, MDMA) in responsible environment.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: moi]
    #18482651 - 06/28/13 03:46 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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moonshoe, how much time do you spent in front of the PC?

you didnt talk about limiting use of electronic media. i personally think it's detrimental for me, but i spent way too much time for sure.




answer this post please, moonshoe.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: crkhd]
    #18482967 - 06/28/13 07:31 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Or my favourite, there is this little channel of energy flow somewhere near the soft fleshy bit of the roof of your mouth, your inner nasal passages and the brain-stem itself and the core low-level part of the brain around it. If you pay close attention you will notice that your thoughts originate from this point. So by spending a long time actively controlling the flow of this circuit and watching how each time it fires a spark a new thought is generated, you begin to *learn* how to switch off the thought-generator at its root, just as you learn to walk.

The flow of air through the upper/inner nasal passages corresponds to a flow of blood/life-energy through the brain-stem.






Wow, dude that reminds me of the Soma and its counterpart, the palatine chakra :eek:


http://www.paranormal.de/ballabene/chakra/meister.htm

can you explain a bit more about it?
how long do you meditate on this path and what are the effects? i mean are there any outstandig effects?

in occult literature this stream leads to secretion of ectoplasm :thirdeyeani:


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: crkhd]
    #18483837 - 06/28/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

IMO CoQ 10 has little value for a healthy adult.  I took it for years and speak from experience.


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    #18483969 - 06/28/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

anyone thinking that spending time with electronic media should be limited aswell? moonshoe didnt mention it. so i assume he spends very little time with media anyway and isn't aware of possible issues.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Icelander]
    #18485915 - 06/28/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

hey icy, what do you think about the products sold by onnit.com like alpha brain or shroom tech?

https://www.onnit.com


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let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Eviander]
    #18486698 - 06/29/13 02:23 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Hello.
I admire your commitment to undergo such measures to attain a good body mind balance.
I have a suggestion because I care:
You might reconsider the use of garlic, because it has an effect on the nervous system, which can interfere with meditation.
It is also a natural aphrodisiac which may not be sought for in such endeavor.
It contains some sulphur based toxin (which makes the distinct smell) which may not be the thing you look for when cleansing the body.
I am however not saying that garlic is a bad thing. It is an antibiotic and blood circulation stimulant.
I personally love it and eat it, just saying it might not be the thing you want to include into the diet for
what you are trying to achieve.
I would also avoid the vitamin supplements, since it is not anything natural or something our bodies evolved to need.
If you eat a diet filled with raw fruit and vegetables you can rest assured you are getting all the vitamins your body needs.
I like how you added ganoderma lucidum as a supplement. I would use it only if i wanted to cure something,
but considering how much abuse our systems go through it is probably well desired.
I invite you to stay in a form of such a lifestyle for good.
It is nice to know that you are not your body, it is your most valuable asset in this ride and it should be treated as such.
It always pays off in terms of quality and depth of this experience.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: blingbling]
    #18487915 - 06/29/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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hey icy, what do you think about the products sold by onnit.com like alpha brain or shroom tech?

https://www.onnit.com




I might buy a kettle bell from them. :lol:


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Icelander]
    #18488963 - 06/29/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

they've got some cool kettle bells with monkey faces on them. personally, i don't use kettle bells, but if i did i would want to use those bad ass mother fuckers.


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let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: blingbling]
    #18502791 - 07/02/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you very much for all of your contributions, comments, insights and suggestions.

To clarify , I am not back peddling on alcohol and am committed to full abstinence from alcohol - because it is a hindrance to progress and forbidden by the fifth precept of buddhism.

With regards to use of electronics , I recommend not participating in social media such as Facebook , twitter and myspace etc. this is because these are a massive time and energy drain on many people and that time is better used on activities such as meditation and yoga .

However , this is not a formal part of the project, just a suggestion . If you are doing the rest of the project (all the yoga, meditation, brain training etc) you can do whatever you want in your leisure time. If you personally find electronics detrimental , by all means make abstinence part of your own program.

If someone wants to substitute tai chi, chi gong, Kung fu or some other meditative and martial physical discipline , that is fully supported , although some yoga should also be incorporated.

I am adding abstinence from masturbation to the program , but healthy love making is not discouraged. Full celibacy is supported for those who feel called to adopt it.

Spiritualizing love making through tantra is encouraged but not mandatory .


I reiterate my belief in the value and importance of well chosen and proven supplements .


Now a brief update on my progress:

I have been taking SAMe and noopept for almost a week and the benefits are starting to manifest. I am enjoying doing the full set of lumosity brain training exercises (40 training games) and my scores are improving .

I have been doing regular yoga classes and getting enormous pleasure and benefits from it. My practice is improving and with it my mood. The line between yoga and meditation is diminishing as I become better at breath awareness during the Asana.

I yesterday's returned from a 50 km woodland hike with two overnights camping in the woods. I should mention that communing with nature is highly encouraged and camping, hiking and canoeing whenever possible is another part of the project . It was physically challenging but highly gratifying.

My overall fitness level is currently 'very good' and improving. However , my balance is very weak (possibly because of breaking both feet in the past ) and I struggle greatly with the balancing postures in yoga. I am fully confident yoga will improve my balance with time .

I also went canoeing and hiking with a friend before the recent camping trip, so I have had a lot of outdoor exercise recently which is wonderful .

I have missed a few meditations while out in the bush and will make sure to make up for it with extra long meditations.

I have been taking vitamin c, vitamin d, b vitamin complex, coconut oil, raw garlic, noopept , SAMe and fish oil.
I will switch supplements as they run out.

My dream recall is currently very good.  My lucid dreaming is currently occasional (1-2 times a week).

I did not mention in the OP that I also keep a journal of all my progress with project mastermind and that is an important part of the program.

I should point out that benefits of the program in my own life may not be totally clear as much of it is already my usual lifestyle and I have been practicing elements of it for years.

Project Mastermind is more a systematization of my regular lifestyle and a commitment to increased discipline, rather than something new I am beginning. Likewise I have no intention of stopping the project after four months, but intend to continue it as a permanent lifestyle.

That is my update for now. Best wishes to all in your own paths.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18502864 - 07/02/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I am adding abstinence from masturbation to the program , but healthy love making is not discouraged. Full celibacy is supported for those who feel called to adopt it.






:dudewtf:  :pope:

edit: I think you're saying that no sex/masturbation would be a part of the plan, but if you have a partner, then love making is part of your job description and withholding it for 4mo isn't a good idea for your relationship.  Anyways, you have to clarify.  Who's to say what's healthy love making (and how that's different from healthy masturbation)?


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    #18505379 - 07/03/13 02:47 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Cool man keep up with the post.


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    #18505640 - 07/03/13 05:20 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I am adding abstinence from masturbation to the program , but healthy love making is not discouraged. Full celibacy is supported for those who feel called to adopt it.






:dudewtf:  :pope:

edit: I think you're saying that no sex/masturbation would be a part of the plan, but if you have a partner, then love making is part of your job description and withholding it for 4mo isn't a good idea for your relationship.  Anyways, you have to clarify.  Who's to say what's healthy love making (and how that's different from healthy masturbation)?






Healthy love making is found by paying attention to SENSUALITY.



But also, this is called the "MASTERMIND" project, not the MASTER BATE project. Do you know what you come out with at the end of 4 months of jacking off? A lot of semen and nothing much else. Yes, some happy fun times but these are ephemeral, of no lasting fruit. You don't remember half the cigarettes you smoked either.


What you get from 4 months of abstinence and channeling are bodily and meditative insights that will stay with you forever. Assuming abstinence is the out-of-the-ordinary experience then the synaptic connections formed during this phase will bear fruit for the rest of one's life. A degree of control over one's meat and two veg that Professor Jakov Five Fingers can't put a sock to.



In this phase of abstinence, you can cultivate sensuality. You will not get this sensuality from anything but abstinence. As much as the full notes, it's the pauses in the music which make the music. Abstinence teaches you things you will not ever see when bound to a sexual habit and when you return to sexuality, you will be all the stronger.

If you like jacking off, then jack off dude! That's the thing. This is not Puritan Tripping Discussion forums, nobody is going to burn you at the steak for beating yer meat. If ye don't beat yer meat, how can ye have any pudding? How can ye have any pudding if ye don't beat yer meat? STAND STILL LADDIE



:sexymeow:




Note: Under no circumstances do I ever agree with one partner withholding sex from another without mutual agreement and mutual benefit. In those cases, the more wholesome soul-generating option is actually to smash those backdoors in with the fury of 300 spartans.


Every time I come onto these forums I sense a strong lack of willingness to *learn* about the potential benefits of abstinence. I mean fair enough if you're writing every post on here with one hand or something but just suspend disbelief for a mere second and enter the world of Taoist sexuality and Tantric methods.

I get the vibe you guys are responding to some fictitious Puritan/Catholic minister who is going to spank your cute purty butthole if he ever catches you with one hand stroking ye olde half blind pocket pet python. Let's leave the medieval times IN the medieval times, shall we? I stopped carrying the girl on my shoulders way back when we crossed the stream, but you are still carrying her in your mind!


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: crkhd] * 1
    #18505675 - 07/03/13 05:38 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I've gone eight months before without ejaculation.  I didn't notice much difference.  I'm just saying this so you'll know some of us actually have tried it.


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    #18505728 - 07/03/13 06:04 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Good post crkhd :thumbup:

Right now i would amend my project to include sex as mandatory and use it as a type of litmus test of progress while abstaining from meat beating to get that pudding cuz im chronically not getting laid.
Then again im not really trying to right now but when i do i can draw allot of energy from it.

Also i noticed a good wank now and then can clear things up, iv gone 3 month and in the end it didn't change much like Icelander said. Going like 8 to 10 days then yank seams to be a good way to go, still progressive while not being restrictive, maybe work up to more time. It maintains discipline and hormone levels, libido. Sorry if this sounds all menstrual but it keeps an ebb and flow to the energy and maintains a natural cycle, i think cycling like that might bring about a desired out come better than an all in all out stance.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Icelander]
    #18506260 - 07/03/13 09:52 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

There is also the male "period" cycle to consider... keep in mind, brahmacharya is a JOURNEY not an end-game. It is moment-by-moment understanding. You do not "win" the game if you hold your jizz in for 10 years, it NEVER WORKED THAT WAY and that was a false idea you began with. Release is entirely part of the journey. Anyhow, the male estrous cycle... consider!


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I've gone eight months before without ejaculation.  I didn't notice much difference.  I'm just saying this so you'll know some of us actually have tried it.




You're also atheist, believe there is no hope for the human race, ardently desire the genocide/mass extinction of humanity and yourself (but are happy to stay here and consume resources even maintaining this belief until ye olde ticker beats its last tock), and far removed from happiness. And you do not accept the phenomenon of 'Chi', am I correct?

Just to place things in context.

You are not the type of person to begin with, who is going to derive any fruit from this practice. It is two entirely different worlds on the very same Earth.
What that post reads to me, as a person who feels the very real effects of abstinence when I so have the strength, is this:

"I've gone eight months before saving all my money.  I didn't notice much difference [because I didn't spend it, and I can't fucking eat gold in the first place].  I'm just saying this so you'll know some of us actually have tried it."




So let me rephrase.

If you believe in ultimate hope, then celibacy is fruitful. Prepare for magic.

if you believe in ultimate oblivion, then continue jacking off because you are never going to gleam anything in the first place! Your foundation is not for this kind of building!


Samadhi, is another word for total absorption in the love of God. Those who do not acknowledge God, how are they going to delve into such a state?


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Entersandman]
    #18506307 - 07/03/13 10:05 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Wow, dude that reminds me of the Soma and its counterpart, the palatine chakra :eek:


http://www.paranormal.de/ballabene/chakra/meister.htm

can you explain a bit more about it?
how long do you meditate on this path and what are the effects? i mean are there any outstandig effects?

in occult literature this stream leads to secretion of ectoplasm :thirdeyeani:





Wow you're freaking me out! I've felt that very circuit in the line spark a few times. But I don't really know much. It's all new to me.

Currently I practice Vipassana meditation.
How I became aware of it is group mantra meditation, Hare Krishna. Keeping in mind, all that Hare Krishna stuff is alien to me but I went with the flow and learnt something. Because when you time the mantra so everyone is a single sound, there are boundary conditions on the flow of air through the body; you obviously cannot breathe in or out at certain times. Thus, by absorbing into the sound, you feel the subtle conduit because in this group absorption, it is far from subtle! It is the main feature of the experience!


So after being aware, I direct Vipassana at it ak IN-Sight meditation, literally seeing, inwards. Just watching and growing your repository of knowledge about sensations and what they do and how they originate and how to help/hinder them. I have been on this path for around two years now. Aware of this particular circuit only for a few months!

The immediate effects

- Drop into total silence at will, provided enough "vavoom" to do so (aka Chi)
- Ability to tap into a furious and limitless anger in the Self... being angry for the sake of being that itself; I use this to get from A=>B faster :lol:
- Feeling like a spinning top that cannot be pushed off balance. Shaken, but never stirred

That's what I can think off off the top of my head. Also there is synesthesia and intuition of a few crazy things. But basically, my world is getting very very psychedelic! All the shit you can do on LSD, a lot of it I have learnt to reproduce while sober. It is very possible, you just gotta *cultivate* the necessary meditation and then it will seem like baby steps when once you would think that stuff is totally impossible.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: crkhd]
    #18506735 - 07/03/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Oh so you got to be in a special club.  I got it.  Somehow I knew they're be some reason or other. :lol:  That's pretty much the way it always works round here. :satansmoking:

and far removed from happiness. And you do not accept the phenomenon of 'Chi', am I correct?

Just to place things in context.


Not quite. I'm happy more than not these days and I am undecided/uncertain about Chi.  Personally I don't see what I believe to be a deciding factor in something that's supposed to be a physical reality. :confused:


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: crkhd]
    #18506748 - 07/03/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

There was quite a few funny little jokes in your last few posts CRKHD.

I remember reading a Taoist once who said that the optimal thing is for a man to ejaculate once every 7-10 days.

I am just going to try not to masturbate in order to preserve sexual energy and also for the discipline of it, as I have never abstained from self-love before.


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    #18507046 - 07/03/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I highly recommend people who have not done so look in to two things.

1. Lumosity- a series of brain training games that are designed using neuroscience and have been extensively tested by prestigious universities and been overwhelmingly shown to have enormous benefits in terms of improved cognition, new brain development, neuron growth, and reduced onset of alzheimers etc.

You can play the games for free on iphone and computer, but I paid for the year long subscription to unlock full access to all 40 brain training games. Loving it.

2. Nootropic drugs- such as Piracetam and noopept, which have been scientifically shown to repair brain damage caused by oxygen depletion, alcohol, drugs, trauma and  aging and therefore to enhance cognition and brain health for almost everybody (everybody has some brain damage, even hitting your head or having a few beers will do it).

Combine the two- daily nootropics and daily brain training games- and you have a recipe for serious neuron growth and repair and profoundly improved thinking.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: crkhd]
    #18507299 - 07/03/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

My goal wasn't to derail the thread, I have no intent of practicing "Project Mastermind" in any capacity.  Rather, to have somebody who intends to practice it clarify to themselves what they're doing and why. Simply following rules on sex summed up in less than a paragraph isn't going to help anyone.


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    #18507985 - 07/03/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I've gone eight months before without ejaculation.  I didn't notice much difference.  I'm just saying this so you'll know some of us actually have tried it.




That's impressive. I'd imagine it was easier to do before the prevalence of internet porn though.


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    #18508107 - 07/03/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I've done this recently.  Must not fap. :lol:


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    #18509193 - 07/03/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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What you get from 4 months of abstinence and channeling are bodily and meditative insights that will stay with you forever. Assuming abstinence is the out-of-the-ordinary experience then the synaptic connections formed during this phase will bear fruit for the rest of one's life. A degree of control over one's meat and two veg that Professor Jakov Five Fingers can't put a sock to.

In this phase of abstinence, you can cultivate sensuality. You will not get this sensuality from anything but abstinence. As much as the full notes, it's the pauses in the music which make the music. Abstinence teaches you things you will not ever see when bound to a sexual habit and when you return to sexuality, you will be all the stronger.






I think it would be a good thing for me to be getting laid. "out-of-the-ordinary experience then the synaptic connections formed during this phase will bear fruit for the rest of one's life" Not everyone diets to loose weight, some need to gain.

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"I've gone eight months before saving all my money.  I didn't notice much difference [because I didn't spend it, and I can't fucking eat gold in the first place].  I'm just saying this so you'll know some of us actually have tried it."

If you believe in ultimate hope, then celibacy is fruitful. Prepare for magic.





Basically the problem i ran into in the past when abstaining. I did not know how to convert my efforts into something useful, basically i stacked gold with out knowing how to cash it. My intentions where good but my knowledge and execution was poor, other than the self control and discipline my efforts where fruitless.
What practices could i have done to make into more than what turned out to be an endurance challenge?

Moonshoe i watched a documentary called Foodmaters, its on netflix and its worth watching if you haven't. The movie talked about about niacin pills, and its affects on depression and anxiety. http://foodmatters.tv/articles-1/how-to-take-niacin-vitamin-b3-for-depression-and-anxiety
The movie talks about other benefits of it and goes into other interesting topics i think you would like.


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    #18509367 - 07/03/13 10:52 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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My goal wasn't to derail the thread, I have no intent of practicing "Project Mastermind" in any capacity.  Rather, to have somebody who intends to practice it clarify to themselves what they're doing and why. Simply following rules on sex summed up in less than a paragraph isn't going to help anyone.




To me this is becoming more of a guide and a place a person can start, not something rigged and fixed but something practical within a fixed time frame 4 months that can be tailored to a persons own needs. (sorry Moonshoe if it is meant to be fixed) Its in its infancy but i believe there is something to it and it points in a positive direction, outlining places to focus attention.

Every bodies intention will be different to some extent but basically i think its that we all want a better life and we our conversing on a way to achieve that by combining multiple approaches. Some may want to think clearer or be stronger become better friends and lovers some people might want to cultivate spirit get that chi flowing and get in touch with what it is to be human and whats up with this universal mind god thing. Whatever the reason it starts with improving your self first.

At least that's my take, its about self mastery.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Beside the Garden]
    #18509459 - 07/03/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Well, it's also an attempt to rapidly change your brain.  I'd suggest not to take on so much at once personally, because the effects of each change can be subtle, and doing this all at once you won't know what's what, what's really useful and what isn't.


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    #18509589 - 07/03/13 11:55 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Its a dedication to a lifestyle change. Think of all the new years resolutions that go out the window by February, taking on to much to fast cultivates failure. I think this project implies some amount of existing momentum and experience would be helpful, that should be stated in a revision.

Of coarse its an attempt to rapidly change your brain its laying the foundation for what culminates into a DMT experience. And laying that foundation is another primary reason for it. But even if a person did not use psychedelics that's fine it still has purpose. I could see this project evolving.


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    #18510917 - 07/04/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Absolutely, this is not meant to be a fixed or firm thing, just a platform or framework to be tailored to each individual person's needs, timeframe and priorities.


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    #18510990 - 07/04/13 09:30 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Then you can learn new ideas from each other.


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    #18511046 - 07/04/13 09:45 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Absolutely. There have already been so many excellent inputs and suggestions and ideas added to this thread, I really value and appreciate them and have given them good consideration.

So far I am really enjoying the benefits of this lifestyle, although I have not managed the total discipline I intended, having to make various minor compromises as the exigencies of life demand.

Today for example I had to skip yoga in order to finish final thesis revisions. Hopefully I can squeeze it in later.

I also drank some alcohol while out on my long hike (pain relief for sore knees and ankles).

Because of the less than perfect discipline I am managing, I am extending my time frame from four months to "indefinite".

Its really meant to be four months of following it perfectly, so I cant start the four months until I have the whole thing on lock.

So far I am managing most of the program every day, but never all.

It does remind me why yoga is so amazing though, it truly combines the benefits of a full body workout with the benefits of a good meditation. So if you dont have time in the day to do a one hour work out AND a one hour meditation, a one hour yoga class is a good compromise that scratches both itches at once.

I really enjoy the brain training combined with nootropics and am excited to strengthen the physical structure of my brain.

After years of university Lumosity is like a whole different kind of education, not theories and abstract ideas but concrete cognitive tasks that strengthen the brains physical structure in direct ways. Not filling the brain with ideas but changing the actual material organization of the brain in scientifically planned ways.

Hopefully this will act as a corrective and prevent my "absent minded professor syndrome" from worsening (I can remember endless arcane theoretical ideas but not where I put my keys just now).


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18511374 - 07/04/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I think it's almost impossible to maintain perfection. What I do is call anything over 90% perfection.  That way I don't beat myself up and I can be human. :grin:


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    #18511383 - 07/04/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup: :smile:


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    #18534140 - 07/09/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Another update:

SAMe seems to be building up to its effect point. Starting to notice the elevated mood, energy and distinct anti-depressant "high" I associate with SAMe after a week or two of loading it.

Noopept seems to be starting to work big time. I have been taking larger than recommended doses, trying to shrink them a bit now. I will often be playing my lumosity games and think "oh shit I am doing so bad" and then when it ranks me it turns out I just broke my new high score.

I think this shows that it is working- my mind is sped up, so I seem to be going slower, but my scores are higher.

Could also just be progress from the training itself.

I notice a stimulant effect from the noopept, like a clear headed non toxic stimulant. Or a cleaner coffee.

I have been doing yoga regular. Did seven days in a row and noticed my muscles were sore and tired so i took one day off to rest, went back to it today and was so much stronger in my practice, so I think my new pattern will be seven days yoga, one day rest.

I have been meditating semi - regularly, mostly doing the OM chanting on a mala or silent breath meditation.

Need to do more, longer, more regularly to see full benefits but it is relaxing and peaceful.

Been eating fairly good, no major slip ups on the diet come to mind, but I need to stock up on fresh fruits and vegetables.

Overall mental health- fairy good, definitely on a good streak, less anxiety, less depression, more contentment, energy and effectiveness overall, generally improved sleep (going to bed earlier, waking up earlier). But I fucked that up last night by drinking coffee in the evening which kept me up until 3 am. Lesson learned.

Dream recall quite good. Some strange phenomenon- sleep paralysis and entity visitation. I woke my wife up by making a wierd strangled yelling noise and she hit me in the chest in fear. I was in sleep paralysis and these little aliens were running around me and freaking me out so I tried to scream and couldnt, when I finally did it came out as this wierd yell and my wife whacked me.

Been fairly good about keeping the progress journal.

Had alcohol last on Canada day, so this is a week without alcohol and I am starting to feel the benefits of that.

Some days I feel a bit blue, so i take a small spoonful of kratom, that works wonders for me, and I take more spoonfuls through the day as needed, has enormous benefits for me.

On days when I am giving kratom a tolerance break I take kava for a nice anxiety relief buzz.

Been smoking only the vaporizer for my herbal medicine, so my lungs are thanking me.

Physical fitness level- excellent. Today is the first day I could do all the one legged balancing postures in yoga without falling out of the Asana. Making real progress is nice.

Overall very happy with how Project Mastermind is working- my lumosity scores are improving, my yoga practice is improving, my emotional health, confidence, and intellectual sharpness are improving, and I have dropped my bad habits (drinking alcohol, eating sugar).

I have failed not to masturbate but will try to get back on that.

Now, onwards and upwards!

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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18534235 - 07/09/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for updating on your progress. Sounds like you are enjoying the routine & benefitting from it, too. :thumbup: 

I think you should keep this thread updated. I'm really interested in the effects of the nootropics.


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    #18536812 - 07/09/13 09:52 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I was just thinking today that i could go for an update on this.

I could talk on some entity sleep paralysis, that can be freaky stuff.
Does this happen often with you or do you suspect it is brought on through your regimen, if so what parts are suspect?


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    #18536904 - 07/09/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks guys, I will keep up the updates .

I have a long history of lucid dreaming, sleep paralysis, out of body experiences, astral projection and entity encounters .

Don't get me wrong, I usually just have dreams, and I often have lucid dreams, but things like sleep paralysis and entity encounters are rare .

I can only speculate if this experience was related to project mastermind or not.

I should point out that the aliens were not hostile, they were small and had red lights on them, and they darted around, running like little children, on the periphery of my vision, I could not get a direct look at them.

I regret panicking the way I did. I want to make peaceful contact , but when it comes to the visitation I get very afraid just by the uncanny strangeness of it and sort of abort the visit prematurely.

Next time I will try to remain calm, greet them and hopefully communicate instead of just screaming like a fool.

I have so much interest in meeting aliens, but when they show up all I want is to hug my wife and get away from them.

I have encountered truly diabolical entities before, beings I call spirits of invasive fear, who seem incredibly malicious, but these guys were more like "Fong" from reboot.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18537493 - 07/10/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia

You might want to read about this... I experiences memories of dreams in imagery, old, old, long forgotten dreams, dreams within dreams, they cascade, one feels buried underneath the other and it's all right before I go to sleep - it makes me feel like I have this rich internal life just every so slightly beneath the surface of my conscious mind, and it's all so beautiful.  Lately I'm able to recall more and more of it, and I've been sort of arranging these  pre-sleep phenomenon on a virtual globe like it's feng shui.  Ones that have places in space and time go on earth, in approximations of where I feel they belong, and others go out in space.  I also experience the sleep paralysis, sometimes I go from lucid dream straight into a meditative sleep paralysis where I'm not fighting it and get real high, other times the sleep paralysis makes me feel quite claustrophobic and anxious - I know what's happening but am afraid it's going to last forever.  Other times I hear characters interact before waking, almost like watching a really good film that I'm not a character of.  Anyways, I've found right before sleep and right as you wake to be equally as interesting if not more so than the more potent dreams. 

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    #18538545 - 07/10/13 09:31 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you. One thing I have learned is that when you are in a state of sleep paralysis, you are primed and ready to have an out of body experience. Apparently that state of being lying in bed, unable to move, means you can at that point will yourself  to float out of your body and have an out of body experience.

Something to try next time you find yourself there.

A typical morning in project mastermind:

1. wake up and write down your dreams

2 . take SAMe, B vitamins (they help absorbtion of the SAMe) and first dose of noopept. SAMe should always be taken on a completely empty stomach, thus first thing in the morning is best

3. Do your daily lumosity training on the PC

4. Have a healthy breakfast (I usually take a vega all in one shake and a vega protein shake, I add spriullina, chlorella and hemp oil if I have it)

5. Go to yoga. I usually take a 60 or 90 minute yoga class.

6. Shower off thoroughly. Note that showering is a great time to chant a mantra such as OM or Hare Krishna.

7. Meditate- write down your start time, sit in lotus, do your full meditation. After the meditation is finished remain sitting in lotus and take twelve inhalations and twelve exhalations to seal the practice. Write down your stop time.

8. Prayers- I usually chant the Gayatri mantra 3 times "Om Bhur Bhuvah Suvaha Tat Savitur Varenyam Bhargo Dewasya Dimahi Dyoyona Prachodayat" Translation "May our meditation be on the glorious light, and may that light illumine our minds".

I then pray the Lords Prayer "our father, who are in heaven... etc"

And just like that you have done all the major tasks for the day- supplementation, brain training, yoga (which entails strengthening exercise, flexibility stretching, breath control and meditation), and meditation proper.

Later in the day I do another round of brain training exercises and another round of meditation.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18539009 - 07/10/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

"spirits of invasive fear" i have dealt with these and that's a perfect description. I have also dealt with benevolent ones that pump love and healing (that was very cool). And then there have been ones that where not hostel, at least overtly, sometimes i cant get a read on them and that causes a fear, sometimes i deal with it and observe.:et:

I agree its an OBE launch pad, my problem is that my energy body is usually also stuck or slow moving in this state, like im in mud. I have to will myself to shake out and start again without falling asleep or freezing again. I have not had willful or useful OBEs in some time. Actually i don't know if any have been 'useful' because they are so inconsistent that i wouldn't know where to begin being objective, but they are so fun :whoyougonnacall:


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Icelander]
    #18553832 - 07/13/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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After all, the most extreme stresses produce the most durable metals: I'll take the highest highs of euphoric bliss AND the lowest lows of intense agony over the mundane mediocrity of myopic moderation.  :bliss:





Do you think if you saw a psychiatrist that you'd be diagnosed as bipolar?




Mmmm, I don't think I'm more bipolar than the average person--we all tend to have our ups and downs, our periods of excited mania and the times when we need to fight to extract meaning and happiness from the world around us.  But I definitely do have the trait of novelty-seeking: I crave new experiences and find myself bored when I'm just doing the same monotonous things over and over again.  I'd rather regret having done something than not having done it when I'm laying on my deathbed.  Why not experience all that life has to offer: both the good AND the bad?

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Well said. Maybe ill compromise and allow alcohol in moderation.

Edit: I am sticking to the strict no alcohol in accordance with the fifth precept of Buddhism.




Your rationale for avoiding alcohol wholly is what, if I may inquire?  The mere fact that Buddhists do so?  I've never seen anything to really challenge my belief that learning how to use, rather than ABuse, alcohol in moderation is ultimately more rewarding and a better test of one's faculties than complete abstinence.  :shrug2:

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Well said. Maybe ill compromise and allow alcohol in moderation.




It's only 4 months IMO.... You created the terms of this experiment, and now you're back peddling on actually performing it.




:lol: because dogmatically sticking to one's past ideas for the mere sake of consistency alone is better than being flexible, open-minded, and willing to adapt one's views in accordance with changing perspectives?  But seriously, isn't the intent of this to fashion a daily routine that would then be eventually adopted permanently?

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Well said. Maybe ill compromise and allow alcohol in moderation.




What about Heroin then?:hissyfit:  In moderation of course.




Yeah, that last part can be a bit tricky though.


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    #18553963 - 07/13/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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IMO a person is more of a "warrior" for being able to use alcohol like the tool that it is: something that shouldn't be used lightly, yet nonetheless in the right circumstances it can be very spiritually rewarding.  Not to mention teetotallers live shorter lives than moderate drinkers.  :wink:

"I am the Snake that giveth Knowledge & Delight and bright glory, and stir the hearts of men with drunkenness. To worship me take wine and strange drugs whereof I will tell my prophet, & be drunk thereof! They shall not harm ye at all. It is a lie, this folly against self. The exposure of innocence is a lie. Be strong, O man! lust, enjoy all things of sense and rapture: fear not that any God shall deny thee for this."






This isn't really a matter of who can drink alcohol and hold it down and has hair on their chest.




Not sure where I implied that.  :confused: 

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This is a matter of scientifically seeking a specific mind-state, which is without a shade of a doubt obscured by alcohol. It is also obscured by many other things like tranquilisers, PCP, .50cal bullets through the brain amongst others but then OP didn't say he was going to dabble in a little PCP.




Some people may find alcohol totally useless and detrimental in their life, I won't argue with you there.  Others may find that learning how to control a substance that has previously given them problems can yield enormous benefits in such areas as increased self-confidence, mastery of one's will-power, decreased inhibition, a boundless optimism, and abolition of social anxiety and fear.  Sometimes even a glass or two of wine can provide the most important thing of all: the simple idea that the only important limits that restrain us are those that we make ourselves.  :gum:

At any rate, yes, the specific mind-state of unimpaired clarity IS obscured by alcohol, I won't disagree with you there: over-consumption of alcohol definitely dulls the mind and impairs cognitive thought.  But that's the whole point!  One purpose among many of using this pharmacological tool is to realize the consequences of over-indulgence in a manner and way far more convincing than any pedantic teacher blathering on at the blackboard can do; it's to provide a first-hand look at the cycle of excessive desire leading to suffering and personalized training in the discipline of will-power, moderation, and self control.  :yinyang: 

Also, on the positive end alcohol can help a neurotic, depressed individual realize that sometimes cheer and optimism really are all within the mind and accessible through a mere change in perspective.  Which incidentally is also attainable through such other pharmacological agents as N2O, Ketamine, MXE and PCP--which you so callously lump in with shooting one's self in the head.  :lol:  One only has to read a few hundred reports of psychonauts here to realize that wisdom can be found in NMDA-receptor antagonist dissociatives just as it can be found in sober tranquility or lysergic bliss.  :yesnod:

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If you are sitting down and saying "OK for the next four months I am purposefully cultivating SELF-CONTROL" then how does it make sense to ingest something which REDUCES SELF CONTROL in that time phase?




This is a fallacious argument to my mind... it's equivalent to the following:

"If I'm trying to build muscle, or the ability to apply a force, how does it make sense to push or pull weights that reduce my ability to apply that force?"

Naturally, the answer is that it does make sense because training with a handicap makes one much stronger than training without one.  I respect the man who can maintain abstinence in a harem filled with thousands of luscious, naked women far more than the man who can maintain abstinence on top of a cold, dark mountain top by himself, for example.  Of course, the former scenario will be much more difficult to maintain abstinence--but sometimes the more difficult route is the one that's ultimately more worth taking, to my mind.

Blake wasn't wrong when he gave us a road map to the palaces of wisdom... just keep in mind the ride may be a little bumpy at times.  :cheers:

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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: deCypher]
    #18555124 - 07/13/13 10:54 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Mmmm, I don't think I'm more bipolar than the average person--we all tend to have our ups and downs, our periods of excited mania and the times when we need to fight to extract meaning and happiness from the world around us.  But I definitely do have the trait of novelty-seeking: I crave new experiences and find myself bored when I'm just doing the same monotonous things over and over again.  I'd rather regret having done something than not having done it when I'm laying on my deathbed.  Why not experience all that life has to offer: both the good AND the bad?




Yah, basically some people are trying to get free of that, and you're trying to accept it as it is and make the most of it.  You're an adult, and you've got to figure out what works best for you, but I don't think it's the intent of the OP. We'll have to let him clarify.

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:lol: because dogmatically sticking to one's past ideas for the mere sake of consistency alone is better than being flexible, open-minded, and willing to adapt one's views in accordance with changing perspectives?  But seriously, isn't the intent of this to fashion a daily routine that would then be eventually adopted permanently?





I see it differently, that dogmatically sticking to one's past ideas would be a belief that they are incontrovertibly true (that the goal is to never drink again), which isn't the same as experimenting to free oneself from attachment to the 'good and the bad', trying to stop this yoyo of up and downs, and being a state of total involvement where new exciting experiences and boredom aren't even relevant.  He's trying to grow from those roots IMO, but we can let him clarify.


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    #18556115 - 07/14/13 06:22 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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For once in a long while on the interwebnets I can say finally...

I agree. Nothing more to say :smile:


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #18556339 - 07/14/13 08:42 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I have experimented extensively with alcohol and researched it extensively as well and come to one very clear conclusion-

No thank you. Not for me. No benefit, only detriment. Useless, addictive, neurotoxic poison.

No thank you. Not for me.

But your mileage may very, and by all means drink in moderation if you feel that is better.

I have tried it all ways, and abstinence is the only path that corresponds with my lifestyle and values and the prerogatives of project mastermind.

Alcohol is definitely out of the program, for me.

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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18556434 - 07/14/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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For once in a long while on the interwebnets I can say finally...

I agree. Nothing more to say :smile:




Way to just completely skip over my fully elaborated points in lieu of offering up a somewhat condescending two-word summary of my post without so much as an offer to provide interesting rebuttal.  :huxleyfacepalm:

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I have experimented extensively with alcohol and researched it extensively as well and come to one very clear conclusion-

No thank you. Not for me. No benefit, only detriment. Useless, addictive, neurotoxic poison.

No thank you. Not for me.




That's fair enough, man.  :smile:  You've had addiction issues with alcohol in the past though, right?  I can understand a knee-jerk reaction against even indulging in a little amount of the same substance that was detrimental towards your previous life, but this still just strikes me as an essentially fear-based perspective.  "Shit, I was an addict so therefore I'll always be an addict."  "Shit, my NA counselor told me that if even just sip a beer, I'm gonna be smoking crack in a couple weeks."  And so on.

Not saying your motivations are similar, but in my pretty extensive history of meeting alcoholics and other addicts, I've learned that they tend to be pretty damn masterful at reading other people but definitely NOT capable of reading themselves with complete honesty.  It certainly is easier to abstain from alcohol if one can successfully convince one's self that alcohol has no benefits whatsoever, that it's completely useless, and that it can provide no benefits at all.  Alas, maintaining an admittedly useful belief becomes hard when one becomes confronted with the realization that actually alcohol CAN provide a myriad of different benefits, that alcohol is an incredibly useful tool for eliminating social inhibitions, allowing your nerdy friend to realize that his social anxiety/shyness is all a product of his mental perspective, giving a truly powerful lesson as to the essence of addiction with a resulting diploma in escaping the cycle of Desire, and challenging those life-long ingrained fear of death and/or brain damage that must (however hard it is) ultimately be circumvented if one truly wishes to obtain Enlightenment.

Not trying to come off as a dick, though.  I tried the whole Allan Carr tactic while attempting to quit smoking where I'd repeat "smoking has NO benefits" over and over to myself until I thought I'd successfully brainwashed myself into believing it.  All it took was finding a full Newport ciggie resting on a park bench to rip the wishful thinking blinders from my eyes and realize that yeah, actually, smoking DOES have benefits.  If it didn't, people wouldn't smoke to begin with.  The massively euphoric buzz, the stress-calming relaxation, the 15 minute break that allows a form of socialization most non-smokers can never understand, etcetera.  Unfortunately, smoking also does come with a huge list of detriments--it's just a matter of determining whether the pros do, in fact, outweigh the cons.

I personally try to avoid blanket generalizations, especially those that include judgmental, knee-jerk reactions against certain drugs that although might have been created for a good reason (scaring the younger generation into staying away from drugs), are in fact much more counterproductive in the long run.  I know personally when I figured out that DARE at my high school was completely bullshitting us as to the harmful effects of marijuana that it made me lose most of my respect for the government.  And not believing their "educational" PR releases can also lead to users trying heroin, crack, or methamphetamine following the same belief that well, since they lied about pot then they're probably lying about every other drug too.

But at any rate, do what makes you live up to your fullest potential.  :thumbup:  And when, years down the road, you suddenly realize that your dozen or so projects through the past thirty years have been mere distractions from your impending mortality and haven't meaningfully impacted human society or our current preconception of politically correct wisdom, at least it still won't be too late to enlighten your brain with excessive spiritual-producing intoxication.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: deCypher]
    #18558038 - 07/14/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I was never addicted to alcohol per se, just drinking more than I thought was optimal.

But from a spiritual point of view, both Buddhism and Hinduism are explicit that alcohol consumption is simply not compatible with a sincere spiritual path- its an impediment to yoga, meditation, mindfulness and compassionate wisdom. Islam also forbids it, and the jewish torah / Christian old testament has some pretty strong  words on why alcohol should be left alone.

To each their own. My life is much better without alcohol and I am not looking back.

I am all about yoga, meditation, lucid dreaming, and brain-training, nootropics, lumosity and education.

Alcohol hinders all the pursuits that are important to me.

Your mileage may very.

I was at an open bar weddng social yesterday and not drinking as everyone else did, and I just kind of calmly observed the patterns of behaviour and consumption and effects.... its clear as day to me now. Alcohol is a dirty trick, we are all enamored with it or enchanted by it but the good feelings we have about it are a lie, a promise that is always broken.

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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18558152 - 07/14/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

What's the deal with lumosity? I feel like that's some government sponsored brain washing or something. :lol:


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    #18558256 - 07/14/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Lumosity is amazing. I love it. There are 8 training games on the iphone and 40 on the pc that you can use. You train every day playing the games. They are designed using neuroscience principles and have been extrensively tested in many high level prestigious and well controlled university scientific studies. The evidence is totally conclusive- regular lumosity training improves many aspects of brain performance (attention, memory, focus, concentration, processing speed, problem solving, flexibility etc) and actually causes new growth of cells in the brain. So lumosity actually physically changes the structure of your brain to make it stronger, just like lifting weights physically changes the structure of your muscles to make it stronger.

Nootropic drugs like piracetam and noopept have similar effects- improving congnition and repairing neurons.

So I combine the two- I take my nootropic drugs and do lumosity every day.

It helps prevent alzheimers, dementia, senility and decreased cognitive performance do to age.

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    #18558355 - 07/14/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Ah cool. On their commercial I felt like that chick was trying to get me to drink the coolaide or something. But it sounds legit from what you say. More power to yea. I play this game league of legends which probably has the opposite effects... decrease in brain mass, increased aggression. :lol:


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    #18558446 - 07/14/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I actually think a lot of video games have cognitive benefits and some studies are confirming this now, both strategy and shooting games are good for the brain , as of course are puzzle games. Lumosity is just more well balanced in what it helps with .


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18558465 - 07/14/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Lumosity is amazing. I love it. There are 8 training games on the iphone and 40 on the pc that you can use. You train every day playing the games. They are designed using neuroscience principles and have been extrensively tested in many high level prestigious and well controlled university scientific studies. The evidence is totally conclusive- regular lumosity training improves many aspects of brain performance (attention, memory, focus, concentration, processing speed, problem solving, flexibility etc) and actually causes new growth of cells in the brain. So lumosity actually physically changes the structure of your brain to make it stronger, just like lifting weights physically changes the structure of your muscles to make it stronger.

Nootropic drugs like piracetam and noopept have similar effects- improving congnition and repairing neurons.

So I combine the two- I take my nootropic drugs and do lumosity every day.

It helps prevent alzheimers, dementia, senility and decreased cognitive performance do to age.

Its also fun. I love it!




Personally I have tried noopept, piracetam, pramiracetam, centrophenoxine, along with sulbutamine, choline cdp, choline bitartrate, vinpocetine.

I found that Pramiracetam with CDP Choline worked the best for me when studying. (Then add sulbutamine + caffeine anhydrous + vinpocetine for all nighter or long day power)

I'm going to try the Phenylpiracetam and Alpha GPC Choline next.

Noopept and Centrophenoxine seem to cloud my brain even when taken with choline, sort of zombiesque, I feel that I personally think way better without those two.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: teknix]
    #18558476 - 07/14/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

"I found that Pramiracetam with CDP Choline worked the best for me when studying."

Cool , I will switch to that when I cycle of noopept. My plan is noopept for 1-2 months, then piracetam for 1-2 months, then repeat.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18558496 - 07/14/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I bet you will like it better, what sort of choline or other things are you mixing?

P.S. I haven't been able to find the pramiracetam anywhere but ebay =-/.

It was water insoluable and lipid soluable so it could cross the mucosa membrane quite nicely and quickly. Like almost instantaneous effect if you rubbed a bit on the soft pallate (back of the roof of the mouth).


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    #18558529 - 07/14/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I take many many supplements but no choline at present. I should though?


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    #18558555 - 07/14/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I find it to be like a brain/blood lube, to keep everything flowing along nicely. When I first took CDP choline I felt a cooling sensation in the center of my brain, and it is said to help with the fog you may get from the racetams, which it may have because i didn't get the fogginess I do from the other two.


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    #18558566 - 07/14/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Like the racetams are the neuron fuel and the choline is the propellant.


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    #18558593 - 07/14/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks, that is good to know, I will find some. Can you specify what brand/type/kind of choline is needed?

Will any bottle labeled "choline" do?

So far I have not noticed any of the so called "brain fog" people talk about , despite doing larger than recommended doses of noopept for a while.

If anything I notice a stimulated effect sometimes, something like having a coffee.


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    #18558789 - 07/14/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I was never addicted to alcohol per se, just drinking more than I thought was optimal.

But from a spiritual point of view, both Buddhism and Hinduism are explicit that alcohol consumption is simply not compatible with a sincere spiritual path- its an impediment to yoga, meditation, mindfulness and compassionate wisdom. Islam also forbids it, and the jewish torah / Christian old testament has some pretty strong  words on why alcohol should be left alone.
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Doesn't Buddhism say that consumption of anything that fogs the mind isn't compatible? I just don't understand why you are against moderate alcohol use and ok with moderate etizolam, clonazepam, kratom, and cannabis use. :confused:

Alcohol used sparingly is actually good for you apparently. I don't know of anything suggesting etizolam or clonazepam are actually good for your overall health.


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    #18559182 - 07/14/13 08:35 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I was never addicted to alcohol per se, just drinking more than I thought was optimal.

But from a spiritual point of view, both Buddhism and Hinduism are explicit that alcohol consumption is simply not compatible with a sincere spiritual path- its an impediment to yoga, meditation, mindfulness and compassionate wisdom. Islam also forbids it, and the jewish torah / Christian old testament has some pretty strong  words on why alcohol should be left alone.
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Doesn't Buddhism say that consumption of anything that fogs the mind isn't compatible? I just don't understand why you are against moderate alcohol use and ok with moderate etizolam, clonazepam, kratom, and cannabis use. :confused:

Alcohol used sparingly is actually good for you apparently. I don't know of anything suggesting etizolam or clonazepam are actually good for your overall health.




As a Buddhist, I have taken the five precepts. They are like vows that I strive to live up to every day.

They are

1. I undertake to train myself not to harm or kill
2. I undertake to train myself not to take that which is not freely given
3. I undertake to train myself not to engage in sexual misconduct
4. I undertake to train myself not to engage in unwholesome speech

and

5. I undertake to train myself to abstain from intoxicating liquours (alcohol).

The Buddha, therefore, explicitly instructed his followers not to drink alcohol.

Likewise, the Quran says "Can you not see that alcohol has been placed before you by Shaitan (Satan) to instill quarrels among the believers and distract you from prayer?"

Islam is explicit- alcohol is forbidden by god.

The old testament / torah also speaks about alcohol, in the book of proverbs, saying "look at the drunkard who drinks himself senseless , only to rise and do it again. Drunken stupor goes in rags". (paraphrase).

The hindus also prohibit the drinking of alcohol.

As a Christian, I drink alcohol only for communion wine, as  a sacrament, and that is only a sip.

The Buddha never said we should not smoke marijuana. Rastafarians, who derive from the Judaeo-Christian tradition, see the use of marijuana as an essential sacrament, holy to Jah (short for Jehovah, God).

Many hindu sects, especially yogis and Shaivites (worshippers of shiva) also use marijuana as  a sacrament, as do some sects of Buddhists, but all forbid alcohol.

Therefore, there is a commonality of agreement that alcohol is not compatible with religious purity of spirituality, but marijuana is often seen as a sacred sacrament and medicine. Used with a vaporizer, it is also virtually harmless, with many medicinal benefits.

Kava , Kratom and Cannabis are all natural plant medicines and sacraments with long histories of ceremonial, sacramental and ethno-cultural use. They are also all safe (in my opinion) and beneficial when used wisely.

From my own experience, I have found that consuming alcohol makes it impossible for me to meditate productively, and it also makes it impossible for me to maintain my levels of spiritual energy/ a spiritual state of consciousness.

However, I find kratom, cannabis and kava all go very well with meditation and yoga, and actually enhance the feelings of joy, peace, tranquility and harmony that I strive to cultivate.

I do not have any problem with people drinking alcohol if they choose to. For persons over the age of 40, who drink one glass of red wine a day, there are health benefits.

However, in respect of the fifth precept of Buddhism and the injunctions of the Quran, I abstain from even that.

Likewise, I do not eat beef (which is sacred to Hindus because of their association with Krishna) nor do I eat pork (which is seen as unclean by both muslims, jews and some Christians).

For similar cultural/religious and spiritual reasons I do not gamble, watch pornography, enter strip-clubs, or watch gory torture films like hostel for example. I do not engage in extra-marital sex. For spiritual reasons, I grow my hair and beard long.

I base my life around the disciplines of yoga, meditation, prayer, education, brain training , lucid dreaming and shamanism.

Through research and experience, I discern what substances can support me in these endeavours, and which are hindrances.

I do not eat refined sugar, cakes or candies, donuts or junk food. I do not smoke cigarettes or use tabacco products. I do not drink alcohol or energy drinks. In respect of another Buddhist precept, I do not wear jewelry of any kind, nor do I wear perfumes or colognes, nor tattoo or pierce my body.

I will on occasion and with great preparation use natural psychedelics for shamanic purposes, for personal healing, wisdom, and communion with the spirit world.

I do not use amphetamines, cocaine or crack, pcp, inhalants like glue or gas, I do not gamble or sell drugs.

I do take kratom, kava and cannabis because I consider them to be natural, safe, medicinal and sacred gifts of Mother Earth, which we may use freely to heal ourselves and enhance our lives.

My interests are life-extension and performance enhancement.

Clonazepam I have on a doctor's prescription for a legitimate medical reason. He wants me to take them twice a day. However, I use clonazepam no more than once a week.

Buddhism teaches us that we may use medicine. Etizolam I tracked down because it is a safer alternative to clonazepam. I use both according to careful rules and disciplines ensuring I use them so rarely and infrequently that no tolerance or dependence develops.

Through years of research and experience, I have found certain substances that enhance my life and well being, and I have found specific ways of using them to ensure that they help rather than harm me.

I do not ask or expect anyone else to follow exactly my path or to do things exactly as I do.

However, I have found a small number of substances that I find enhance my life without hindering my spiritual path. These I use with care and gratitude, all others I eschew.

Sorry for the very long answer.

Please understand that I have no problem with other people enjoying alcohol, all of my friends and family do.

But my personal path has called me to give it up entirely, both because of my spiritual commitments and because of my personal experience.


I am not trying to convince anyone of anything, just explain my position as clearly as possible.

Thank you for asking!

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    #18559237 - 07/14/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

You use clonazepam and tizzy recreationally though. I've seen you post about using more than the minimal amount for therapeutic effects.

Don't you think benzos would have been included under intoxicating liquors had they existed at the time? I guess I'm getting at the notion of following the spirit of the rule.


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    #18559352 - 07/14/13 09:11 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

There is no way to know what the Buddha would or would not have forbidden had he been alive today. In fact, he initially resisted setting down any precepts at all, but his followers insisted. The firth precept (abstaining from intoxicating liquors) already has a special status as it is, in that unlike the previous four precepts, breaking the fifth precept imposes no karmic penalty of its own. Rather, the only reason to abstain from intoxicating liquors is not because alcohol is in itself sinful, but because it makes the user more likely to violate the other four precepts, which do have karmic consequences.


Some Buddhists and Hindus  prefer to abstain from all drugs entirely. I respect that opinion. However, I believe in optimizing my own health, happiness and well being through the use of plant allies and carefully chosen medicines.

I am prescribed clonazepam for the management of anxiety, and that is the purpose for which I use it. The only major difference is that instead of using it daily as prescribed, I use it once a week or less.

I do not use drugs to "get fucked up" or to "party". I will use medicines to reduce pain and fear and enhance my quality of life.

I have only recently incorporated clonazepam into my life, at my doctor's bequest, and I have been using it sparingly, cautiously, to assess its value in my life.

So far I have found it helpful and not harmful, within the parameters I set out for my own use.

I may soon stop using it altogether, replacing it entirely with alternative medicines such as kava  and phenibut, or I may continue to use it as I have been- rarely and never on consecutive days.

Ultimately we are all scientists and our lives are our great experiments. Through my life I have experimented with several things only to find in the end they were not serving me, and so I let them go.

I used to do cocaine, but I realized it was not helping me and I let it go. I used to drink alcohol but I realized it was not helping me, and I let it go. Perhaps I will come to feel the same way about clonazepam at some point. Time will tell.

I consider stress to be physically and emotionally harmful, and I believe that anxiolytic medications can be one strategy for managing stress, along with yoga, good diet, meditation and exercise, etc.

You can say I use anxiolytics "recreationally" but really I use them for their intended purpose- to reduce anxiety.

I do not claim to be living a perfect or flawless life. I simply have a clear sense of my path, and I walk it as best as I can, clinging to what I know is good for me (yoga, meditation, gardening, dreaming, nature) and shunning what I know is not good for me (stimulants, alcohol, tobacco).

Clonazepam has been a useful tool for me, something that can be of great use and enjoyment and which so far has not caused me any problems.

However, I may choose to let it go as well if that seems wise in the future.

I do see it as an occasional medicine that is helpful in my life and that I use sparingly, cautiously and occasionally.

Right now my life is going in the direction I want it to go, and I am happy with the progress I have made and am making. However, I am always open to changing up the plan if new information or experiences make that necessary.

I believe in the value of drugs as life-enhancement tools. However, I have very specific ideas about which drugs, in what doses, at what times and for what reasons.

Right now I have worked out a system that works very well for me. Clonazepam does play a role in that system.

For the moment I am comfortable with using it in the way I do. However I have been, and will continue to be, careful with it, and may let it go if I ever see a reason to do so.

I appreciate you asking these questions, and giving me the opportunity to reflect on and elucidate my life-strategy.


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    #18559646 - 07/14/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the comprehensive elaboration!  :sun:

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I will on occasion and with great preparation use natural psychedelics for shamanic purposes, for personal healing, wisdom, and communion with the spirit world.

I do not use amphetamines, cocaine or crack, pcp, inhalants like glue or gas, I do not gamble or sell drugs.

I do take kratom, kava and cannabis because I consider them to be natural, safe, medicinal and sacred gifts of Mother Earth, which we may use freely to heal ourselves and enhance our lives.




So natural vs. synthetics is definitely part of your criteria for selecting useful pharmacological substances?  What about LSD or other man-made psychedelics that can be incredibly beneficial?  What about such plants found in nature like the acacia tree that reportedly contains methamphetamine?  And don't forget kratom and cannabis are addictive as well, both psychologically and physically for the user when ingested frequently (although the symptoms stemming from marijuana abuse are far milder, the insomnia, irritability and constant fiending for a smoke belie its common harmless perception.)  :shrug:

Frankly, I think this natural vs. synthetic division hardly correlates with any information about the safety or worth of a substance.  There have been African cults formed around the ritual use of plants containing the incredibly dangerous and often toxic tropane alkaloids (as well as South American traditions that involve their use in ayahuasca brews and Dharmic rituals that use them and are associated with such tantras as the Vajramahabhairava, Samputa, Mahakala, Guhyasamaja, Tara and Krsnayamari), Cretan cults that are suspected to have been formed around the ritual use of opium poppies (a highly addictive plant that is turned into heroin), the South American tradition to chew coca leaves (addictive and even more so in its processed form as cocaine or crack) in order to benefit social bonding and clarity of thought, the Oracle at Delphi in ancient Greece who inhaled massive quantities of ethylene, methane, or hydrogen sulfide gas (all carcinogenic inhalants) to trigger hallucinations, the Hindus of West India as well as others in eastern Indonesia who took nutmeg spice for centuries as a form of snuff or as the ground seed mixed with betel and other chemicals to produce a euphoric, visionary intoxication (which can also produce violent convulsions, deliriant-like hallucinations, and possibly death from myristicin poisoning), not to mention the Native American tradition of consuming large amounts of tobacco (likewise incredibly addictive as well as carcinogenic) until going unconscious in order to see visions.  A mere history of cultural use or the establishment of a religion around a drug does not imply the drug is safe or worth using.  :nonono:

But let's look into the consistency of Buddhism and the fifth precept, and since it seems your program is attempting to derive wisdom from multicultural sources as opposed to being solely restricted to one religion, let's examine a few other major religions as well:  :watchingyou:

Despite its admonition against intoxicants, the Buddhists still manage to turn a blind eye to the use of caffeine in tea, which is not only the world's most commonly used mind-altering drug, but also will produce physical dependence that can result in such withdrawal symptoms as headaches, muscle pain and stiffness, lethargy, nausea, vomiting, depressed mood, and marked irritability... all of which may last up to nine days.  And given that a single cup of coffee can reduce cerebral blood flow by up to 30%, one has to wonder the wisdom of allowing this in a lifestyle devoted to improving the body and mind.  But what about alcohol?  :strokebeard2:

Well, some Tibetan Buddhists and Bönpos, among others, nevertheless ingest small amounts of grain alcohol as occasional offerings as part of the ganachakra tsok ritual.  Drupon Thinley Ningpo Rinpoche, a renowned Vajrayana teacher, has said that although laypersons wishing to obey the five precepts upon taking refuge must refrain from taking intoxicants, they may still drink enough so as they do not become drunk.  It's the intoxication that is spiritually harmful, not the mere touch of a droplet of wine to the lips.  According to Lodro Rinzler, a practicing Buddhist and writer on Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche, who originally introduced Vajrayana teachings to the West and founded the first accredited Buddhist university in America, "the intent is not to get the monks wasted but to take what is seen as a poison and transform it into a tool for spaciousness.  Rinpoche attempted to lead his Vajrayana students in the West in what he referred to as 'mindful drinking,' with mixed results.  Some students engaged the practice to the point where they felt a loosening up on their ego and their dualistic sense of 'me' vs. 'the world.' Others threw up."  :rofldrunk:

The Ngagpa tradition of the Nyingmapa school in Tibetan Buddhism also in fact re-defines the fifth precept as "to refrain from the intoxication of duality, and to become drunken with primordial wisdom."  One of the forefathers of Tibetan Buddhism, Padmasambhava, is also said to have tested the mahasiddha Yeshe Tsogyal with a range of pharmacological substances to see if she could maintain her clarity while in altered states of consciousness.  Zen Buddhism also has no small share of alcoholic use in its history, especially given the popularity of sake drinking in Japanese culture.  Ikkyu, a renowned Zen monk and poet, is considered both a heretic and saint in the Rinzai Zen tradition, and was known for his derogatory poetry, open alcoholism and for frequenting the services of prostitutes in brothels. He personally found no conflict between his lifestyle and Buddhism.  It's certainly not hard to find the occasional koan mentioning a monk drinking sake.  :drunk:

Even Judaism sometimes permits intoxication, despite their belief that our bodies belong to God rather than ourselves, and as such we are not permitted to harm our bodies through such activities as drinking or pharmacological abuse:  There is a common Jewish tradition to get drunk on Purim until the community members forget the difference between the Hebrew phrases "Cursed is Haman" and "Blessed is Mordechai", which signifies reaching the spiritual world Atzilut where all opposites unite.  In other Jewish communities it is customary to drink on Simchat Torah as well, and drinking in small quantities as a mind-altering practice is commonly used during the Farbrengens of the Chabad Hasidim.  A few anecdotal references in Chabad literature also refer to the spiritual power of alcohol, when used for the sake of connecting to God and achieving brotherly love among fellows Jews.  :chugbeer:

Kabbalists too, such as Isaac of Acco and Abraham Abulafia, also mention a method of "philosophical meditation" which involves drinking a cup of "strong wine of Avicenna", whose recipe remains unknown but is implied to contain opium and datura extracts, which would induce a trance and would help the adept to ponder over difficult philosophical questions.  Even Tantric Hinduism seems to encourage the consumption of alcohol until intoxication to more quickly achieve enlightenment:

The sensual pleasure women provide,  :bashful:
the joy of wine, the taste of meat:  :Tastesgoodman:
It's the undoing of fools,  :eyemonster:
but for the wise, the pathway to salvation.  :raisemyglass:
--Kalarnava Tantra

Overall I believe any drug, natural or synthetic, has its own merits to offer the individual.  What's right for one may not be right for another, and whether it was synthesized in a test tube or in a pile of cow dung, a chemical can still kill you just as much as it can trigger spiritual revelations.  :jellyfish:

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I do not use amphetamines, cocaine or crack, pcp, inhalants like glue or gas, I do not gamble or sell drugs.




And that's your prerogative, of course.  But note the following:  :psychsplit:

  • Paul Erdős, a genius mathematician, used amphetamines for the majority of his life to no ill effects and claimed his usage truly helped him see behind the the superficial trappings of Nature into the mathematical essence of things, and although they're certainly overprescribed, amphetamines have proved invaluable for thousands if not more children and adults who suffer from ADD/ADHD.
  • A user on this site claimed that crack cocaine helped give him the psychedelic realization of the Oneness of all things, and I've read a couple reports where going through the metaphor-laden and rich with subconscious imagery experience of stimulant psychosis has given the experiencer a tremendous source of creativity to draw on for art, self-expression, or even simply self exploration.
  • PCP's negative stigma is mostly a product of media-driven hysteria and urban legend, but given the preponderance of deep spiritual insights generated by the use of other NMDA receptor antagonists such as Ketamine or MXE, I wouldn't doubt some seekers may very well keep it in their entheogenic toolbox.
  • Finally, inhalants like glue or gas admittedly are extremely neurotoxic and dangerous to the body and the mind, but hopefully you do not lump N2O along into this category?  Just like Ketamine, N2O is capable of some truly beautiful, other-worldly spiritual revelations.


As far as the increased toxicity of certain drugs, I believe the process of encountering and becoming consumed by addiction can certainly be a valuable lesson in the long run if the person in question is strong enough to survive the ordeal.  It also can provide a first-hand demonstration of how desire and attachment leads to suffering, and honestly many ex-addicts I've met show a strength of character and will-power that I've seen few other people have.  It's a test by fire, and few people pull through (most who dare to tempt the Goddess of Desire find themselves never able to escape her clutches), but those who do are arguably stronger than those who never had the courage to try.  :satansmoking: :zaphod:


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    #18559654 - 07/14/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Thanks, that is good to know, I will find some. Can you specify what brand/type/kind of choline is needed?

Will any bottle labeled "choline" do?

So far I have not noticed any of the so called "brain fog" people talk about , despite doing larger than recommended doses of noopept for a while.

If anything I notice a stimulated effect sometimes, something like having a coffee.




I personally liked the CDP choline the best out of the bitartrate and cdp, and I haven't tried the alpha gpc.

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    #18559890 - 07/14/13 11:22 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Superb post Decypher, I gave you five shrooms in appreciation for the time you took writing it, the thoughtful ideas and the eloquent style.

I have heard many times the argument that there is no fundamental superiority to natural versus synthetic compounds and I partly agree.

Certainly many natural substances are toxic and deadly and several synthetic or man made ones are beneficial and euphoric.

I make use of both natural and man-made chemicals and medicines in my quest for health and optimization.

Alcohol is after all more or less natural, as fermentation, but I avoid it except for ceremonial communion.

And although there are countless horrific pharmaceutical drugs, there are many that are euphoric, safe or therapeutic.

So in other words I agree with you 100% that you cant use natural versus man made as your only criteria for evaluating the safety and usefulness of a drug. Obviously you also need to consider countless other things such as LD50, side effects, interactions, etc etc etc.

That said there is something magical about a completely natural plant that evolved independently of humans and yet has some splendid and fascinating effect on the human mind when ingested.

Its cool that we can invent amazing drugs, its also amazing that cool drugs occur naturally in nature.

From a spiritual/hippy point of view there is a special kind of communion with nature that comes when you ingest an ancient plant and come into contact with its primordial intelligence- when you speak to mother Ayahuasca you are speaking to the same magical vine that our ancient anscestors were also communing with in primeval eras.

Its magnificent!

I think some of the most amazing, spiritually enlightening and worthwhile drugs are natural- the psychedelics ibogaine root, magic mushrooms, mescaline cactus, salvia divinorum, marijuana, kratom, kava....

But some of the man made ones are also pretty amazing- MDMA, ketamine, LSD.

I mentioned in this thread that I occasionally take etizolam, clonazepam and phenibut, none of which are natural.

Nevertheless I like the idea of natural drugs , and could easily see myself settling down with cannabis, kava and kratom as the only drugs I regularly use (almost that way already).

Anyways, I don't believe that one size fits all or that there is only one true path. My philosophy is that "all roads lead home" and "all rivers flow to the ocean", meaning that each person takes a unique journey in life, but we are all one and our destination is ultimately the same.

So if people want to include alcohol or any other drug in their lives, I am not condemning it.

But I have spent my life developing a system that will allow me to get the most out of life and enjoy drugs in a way that enhances my existence while avoiding the pitfalls that can ruin a life or end it prematurely.

As always it is a work in progress. I do know that using cocaine filled my life with pain and suffering that was totally unnecessary, and now that I have totally removed it from my life things are so much better for me. My mental health, my physical health, my finances, my self-esteem- all have improved dramatically since I quit cocaine more than a year ago (I was never an addict, just an occasional weekend user, but it still fucked me up).

In the same way,  quitting alcohol is doing wonders. I can feel my brain regenerating, my intelligence increase, my overall health and energy levels rising. I now longer feel as slow and sluggish, as depressed or as lethargic, no more brain damage headaches or abdominal pains from drinking, and more ability to focus on meditation and yoga and have more stamina and sharper reflexes.

So I find there is a lot to be gained by trimming out the parts of your life, especially the substances you use, that are detrimental to you.

I see it as freeing up energy. As much as I enjoyed drinking, it took some of my energy, dissipating it. Its like a leak in a boat, you need to plug the leaks one by one so you can stop your boat from sinking and row to shore.

In my life things like a tim hortons donut, or an alcoholic beverage, or an red bull energy drink- they all just fuck me up, unbalancing my body and health and mind.

I respect crazy wisdom and have a bit of it in myself. Chogyam Trungpa was a famous tibetan Buddhism monk who escaped the chinese persecutors leading a band of refugees over the great mountains, only to settle in the west, set up a meditation school and become a raging alocholic. They say when he died rainbows rose over his body, showing he was a truly holy being.

Alan Watts, the famous Zen commentator , was also a raging alcoholic.

So there is a tradition in the mystic literature of some saints and gurus who flaunt all the conventions and do things in their own way, including sex, drinking and drugs.

Nevertheless, the vast majority of students will do better following the traditional path, abstaining from smoking, drinking and other vices, focusing on meditation, yoga, chanting and prayer, and avoiding all but the most sacramental of drugs.

I am not saying one size fits all.

But I believe in balance. Buddhism is called the middle way. You do not starve or deprive yourself, on the one hand, but you do not gorge or indulge in excess on the other.

So a buddhist does not starve himself, but neither does he eat kentucky fried chicken with icecream cake and a big gulp soda.

He follows the middle path - a modest, healthy, well balanced, tasty meal.

Apply the same principles to drug. The middle way- sure, smoke a little weed once and a while, yes take some mushrooms on a starry summer night, and even blast to hyperspace with some DMT at least once in your life time.

But dont be swigging drinks and pounding beers on a regular basis, or smoking a pack of cigarettes a day, or sticking needles in your arm or smoking meth.

Thats my own personal take on the middle way in drugs but basically thats how I see it- being spiritual does not have to been abstaining from all drugs, but it does mean having the focus, health, discipline and mental faculties to do the challenging work of meditation and yoga.

Often the drugs are so enticing that the person wanders in to the party lifestyle and forgets the spiritual path altogether. I have chosen the opposite, after many great years I left the party life behind to become who I know I truly am and truly need to be- A spiritual pilgrim, A Buddhist meditator, a Hindu Yogi, a Shaman- A seeker of the sacred.


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    #18559956 - 07/14/13 11:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Likewise, I do not eat beef (which is sacred to Hindus because of their association with Krishna) nor do I eat pork (which is seen as unclean by both muslims, jews and some Christians).

For similar cultural/religious and spiritual reasons I do not gamble, watch pornography, enter strip-clubs, or watch gory torture films like hostel for example. I do not engage in extra-marital sex. For spiritual reasons, I grow my hair and beard long.

I base my life around the disciplines of yoga, meditation, prayer, education, brain training , lucid dreaming and shamanism.

Through research and experience, I discern what substances can support me in these endeavours, and which are hindrances.

I do not eat refined sugar, cakes or candies, donuts or junk food. I do not smoke cigarettes or use tabacco products. I do not drink alcohol or energy drinks. In respect of another Buddhist precept, I do not wear jewelry of any kind, nor do I wear perfumes or colognes, nor tattoo or pierce my body.

I will on occasion and with great preparation use natural psychedelics for shamanic purposes, for personal healing, wisdom, and communion with the spirit world.

I do not use amphetamines, cocaine or crack, pcp, inhalants like glue or gas, I do not gamble or sell drugs.

I do take kratom, kava and cannabis because I consider them to be natural, safe, medicinal and sacred gifts of Mother Earth, which we may use freely to heal ourselves and enhance our lives.

My interests are life-extension and performance enhancement.





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Im going to start working on precept 4, unwholesome speech and i interpret that to mean more than just profanity.

Also i interpret "intoxicating liquors" to be more than just alcohol. Even though it specifies liquors i think the intent speaks to anything that would cause a similar state of clouded judgment and foolishness.
Intoxication= to much man to much
Liquors= substance
I think it all comes down to the intent and the tool.
Are you trying to get a lift up to gain perspective and insight, or an escape and a reason to be foolish.
Medications are fine when needed because of intent and moderation.

Things like (Psilocybin, Ayahuasca & DMT, Peyote, Marijuana, LSD and MDMA) do not fit in the "intoxicating liquors" category because of what they are and the users intent. They do however fit if approached for intoxication. I personally can not use Marijuana anymore.


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    #18559985 - 07/14/13 11:58 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Sometimes it is now translated as "I undertake to train myself to abstain from intoxicants which cloud the mind", although this is a modern adaptation and not the original words.

Nevertheless it raises two interesting questions.

1. What is an intoxicant?

and

2. What does it mean to cloud the mind?

I personally do not consider marijuana to be an intoxicant because it is not toxic, which is the core of the word intoxicant. Alcohol on the other hand IS toxic, and that is why we call a drunk person "intoxicated" meaning the toxin is in him.

Likewise kratom is not toxic and actually has many health benefits. Although Kava (piper methysticum) translates into "intoxicating pepper" so perhaps it is an intoxicant. A highly toxic drug like meth certainly would be.

The second question is what does it mean to cloud the mind. On the one hand, you might say "a cloudy mind" is almost a perfect description of what a marijuana high is like. On the other hand, the mind is often clouded with the worries, cares, concerns, vanities, apprehensions and lusts of the monkey mind, and sometimes marijuana can silence all those thoughts, and actually clear the mind rather than cloud it.

So even if we expand the definition of the fifth precept beyond just alcohol, there is still plenty of room for interpretation. Is marijuana an intoxicant? I dont think so. Does it cloud the mind? Or does it calm the mind? Does it cloud the mind, or quiet it? Or soothe it? Or relax it?

Does kratom cloud the mind? Or energize, vitalize and stimulate it?

Its all open to interpretation, whichever translation you use.

I think abstinence from drugs is similar to abstinence from sex. Jesus taught his disciples that the best thing is to be unmarried and celibate  and not to have sex but to dedicate your life to God, but then he said "but this is a hard teaching, and few can follow it, so if you cannot be married, for it is better to be married than to burn with lust"

If we extend this same kind of thinking jesus might have said "it is best to remain completely sober at all times, but this is a very hard teaching, and few can follow it, so if you must do drugs, stick to weed and kratom, for it is better to smoke weed than to smoke meth and shoot heroin.

My mind is wandering free of conscious control right now so I apologize for any nonsense.


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    #18560087 - 07/15/13 12:35 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

No its my bad i posted my unedited post on accident then immediately posted the revision i think you got the first.

I don't think toxic needs to be strictly biological.

I don't use marijuana because emotionally it is toxic to me. I abused it and it began to abuse me.
So for me regardless of dosage it is destructive and toxic to my quality of life and i imagine it always will be. For others yeah its great and i see that from time to time but its not my alli.

Cloud the mind?
When you want or need your brain to work with you and it just wont.
When you just cant get on point or am slow to come up with what you need. When your focus is off focus. When you forget what you were saying or what someone just said. When you have a test and you didn't eat your Wheaties.


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    #18560340 - 07/15/13 02:55 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I personally do not consider marijuana to be an intoxicant because it is not toxic, which is the core of the word intoxicant. Alcohol on the other hand IS toxic, and that is why we call a drunk person "intoxicated" meaning the toxin is in him.




I had typed up a long post to respond to your previous comments but I accidentally closed my browser so for now just a single point:

"Toxic" as a qualifier entirely depends upon the dosage level of a substance.  Anything can be toxic when given in large enough amounts; even water can kill you if you drink enough.  Now, some drugs are certainly more toxic than others because it would take less of the former drug to kill you than of the latter, but this only proves the existence of a sliding scale of toxicity, NOT that of a black-or-white dualistic schism between those drugs that are toxic and those that aren't:buddha2:

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    #18562887 - 07/15/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Epic post, really enjoyed reading that. It made me feel better about getting shittanked too.

I don't really buy into the natural vs. artificial stuff either. Can something "unnatural" be produced? It's all coming from the same place -- matter... Earth stuff. Saying that a human produced substance is unnatural would be saying human intellect and creativity are unnatural. I would prefer some more studies on all these RCs though. Noms Noms :yeahthatsfunny:


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    #18565695 - 07/16/13 07:51 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Likewise the nuances of the state of intoxication are crucial here.



Essentially to reach the optimal fluidic state of human being, that requires total body relaxation. To keep things clear, I am referring of course to Samadhi. There are many grades of experience people may desire but they are not optimal flows; optimal in the sense of a physical thermodynamic heat engine, not optimal in the sense of "I want, me, my, my wish, my life, my happiness, me, I, me".


To reach total body relaxation one must let go of *all* physical stress, muscle tension, imbalance, stagnation.


I speak from experience. There is a distinct shift in perception at the point of cessation of all muscle tensions. At this very specific point the breath is the forefront of the body's awareness; you feel your Self seated as the ever-flowing breath where you would normally have felt your Self as the vessel itself. The breath is felt to rise through the ground up the heels, through the microcosmic orbit and back down into the ground - Heaven to Earth breathing. This is observed when posture is correct along all 4 dimensions.

At this shift, Silence is the foreground and all thoughts are seen as an appearance on this foreground. Total relaxation is the foreground, thus all new muscle tensions are seen individually and immediately dissolved moment by moment. Contrast this to the state of Samsara where the body is dazed, confused and tense, where new tensions are created and stored simply because the awareness is ignorant of their presence and enables them to flourish.

Do you know any ignorant people wandering in distraction? And how many of them have mysterious back problems, sleep apnea, all sorts of issues? Do you know where these things arise from?

A person in Samsara cannot laugh or joke or express light-heartedness because they are literally weighed down by heavy heartedness, which expresses itself as a gunking of neural flow channels



Without correct posture the microcosmic orbit cannot be felt. It is a completely geometric phenomenon, like centrifugal force - when the body aligns itself to real non-visible lines of fluid geometry (geodesic curvature) the result is distinct awareness of the microcosmic orbit which is always flowing as long as the body is alive. Most people cannot feel the orbit, not because it is not flowing, but because their movements are shaky and jerky and uncertain, and consequently heavily asymmetrical, dissonant, cacophonic, turbulent. One must be poised, grounded, still, serene, centered, acting from the seat of Power, the centre of gravity.


3 dimensional posture is emphasised by society and revered for its health benefits. But little thought is given to posture across the 4th axis, time. If you want to know what good 4D posture looks like, look at Michael Jackson or generally any masterful breakdancer. That is flawless posture and it presents a very distinctly eye-striking image. In fact the more resonant with the Tao a movement is, the more intense the eye-striking effect. I observed this from watching professional skateboarders & BMXers. They have cultivated Tao to the point where it is rapturously pleasant to the eye - you can observe their meditative stillness from afar.






With correct 4D posture, the person is felt to be beyond 4D itself, that 4D flowing is effortless. This is Wu Wei, the path of effortless action. From this vantage point all flows are perfect, the concept of intelligence dissolves for there is no "more perfect"... only perfect.

Intelligence arises when the motor cortex is trying to juggle more than one simultaneous running process. Then it must give weight to one, to the exception of the others, the mathematical weighing function itself is "Intelligence". Effortless action is to close all running processes in the motor cortex leaving a singular "system idle task" so to speak, moving everything in perfect harmony. 100% of the CPU cycles go into 100% purposeful movements, there are no accidents for accidents only happen to those ignorant of 100% of the details!




Now, back to intoxication. To release all muscle tensions and consequently act from the point of Effortless Action, one must free their mind of all distractions and impurities.

The problem herein is that there is a distinct pull in the addictive neural networks to reinforce the addiction. The addiction is generalised, no specific substance - it is addictive tendency itself. This pull leads a person towards intoxication, distraction and muscle tension and discord. It amplifies the turbulence factor in motor movement and manifests as physical shakiness or uncertainty, tremors, spasms.

To cultivate Samadhi/effortless action, one must be totally free of distractions or as close to as possible. Intoxication leads to a propensity for being easily distracted. When you wish to lay the foundations of freedom from distraction, it is the worst to increase the probability to be distracted. This is self-sabotage and in fact it will require continual meditation to bring the mental impurities to the forefront that generate this self-sabotage.

In my own experience this self-sabotage arises from past traumas, or stored karmas. They must be brought to the forefront and released. There shall be a corresponding release of tension in the body, tension that may have been stored for decades. Whether it is mental tension, skeletal or muscular tension or even sexual tension, tension is tension and it must be let go.




From the point of Effortless Action, there is no further beyond. There is no further self-improvement than to be aligned entirely with the Infinite, to simply be a conduit for the Infinite. This does not mean letting some silent force dictate your life and descending into mediocrity and laziness. In fact it is the other way round, to open to this Infinite Intelligence and let its pull, a very physical pull like that of gravity but encompassing even gravity, direct you towards maximally improving your Self and attaining your goals.



So intoxication is a fickle beast. I define intoxication herein as that state, which is the propensity to give into ignorance, as opposed to grow into awareness. Awareness is Samadhi, and ignorance is Samsara. Intoxication is generated by dose-dependence of substances AND mind set and setting. I have downed bottles of 70%+ rum in the past and maintained perfect sobriety. Yet there have been ten times as many occasions where a mere drop of alcohol is enough to let go of the reins and dive headlong into ignorance and suffering. Intoxication is a function of how aware the person is when they choose to ingest the substance, how aware they are of the reasons they are ingesting the substance and how honest they are to themselves regarding why they are doing as such.


So you might understand DeCypher why I didn't feel the need to add anything more. Because the argument you presented is analogous to "well if you drink alcohol you can have another ten rounds on the wheel of Samsara and by then you might be sick enough of the stink of shit and knives and blood to finally desire to escape the wheel" or to take a leaf out of Moonshoe's book, "knock another ten holes in the hull of the Titanic so you know how to repair the huge one caused by the iceberg". But this is futile, OP has already expressed a vehement desire to escape the wheel.

Another round of Samsara here is distraction and futility, there is no enjoyment herein. If anything such a mind would be pissed at the end of it knowing that they had full awareness and chose to dive into ignorance. That is regression and not pro-gression, pro-growth-generation. Ignorance is not the same as "Don't Know" nature. Ignorance is "I see the truth but pretend to Don't-Know" which is far removed from awareness. Those who do not cultivate discernment or meditative insight will not understand the crucial and key difference between Don't-Know and ignorance; the prior being the foundation of effortless action, so named for it is literally effortless and physically felt to be so, and ignorance being the diametrical opposite of effortless action.



Ignorance is drudgery, tiredness, endless suffering with no apparent way out. Ignorance is far removed from bliss, but the ignorant do not perceive.
Samadhi is fulfillment, relaxation, endless bliss with no desire, no way but The Way, the Tao. Samadhi is not an "opposite", it is a state of peak flow, it has nothing to do with "duality" or "good'n'evil". It is a mechanical/bioengineering phenomenon - treat the body as a heat engine/computer and this will be manifestly apparent.

In effortless action you are surfing geodesic curvature and finding the time paths that expend minimal action to reach your desired state. You are literally surfing the curvature of spacetime, just as you would surf on a wave at the beach. Ever seen a drunk surfer?





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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: crkhd]
    #18565783 - 07/16/13 08:26 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

And let me be crude here...


Guys. If you want to jack off... THEN JACK OFF. Nobody is taping fucking sandpaper to your hands to stop you.


If you want to drink... then DRINK. Drink to your heart's content. When thirsty, drink. This is Zen in a nutshell.



But don't make excuses for your behaviour, rationalisations. One person is walking leftwards another is walking rightwards. Acknowledge that and walk in your chosen direction, if you're walking rightways then there is no need to rationalise to the leftwalking dude why you are going your way and why he SHOULD think nothing is wrong about heading rightways.

Preach to your heart's content about the *benefits* of either leftwalking or rightwalking. But when you tell the otherwalker that they SHOULD, at this point you have transgressed and violated the precept of freedom and sincere seeking. At this point YOU are imposing YOUR limitations on those who may not share the same.

Live and let live, as it is said.

But you know that tinge of shame you feel? Shame cannot be ignored, shame never lies. Shame is innocent as a child, shame is a child who has been defiled and wants to cry.


Shame cannot be ignored. Shame does not accept rationalisations. Shame cares about your traumatic upbringing but sees entirely through your desire to use that as an excuse to justify what may be anti-productive to your Self. Shame is not here to be argued with, only tenderly hugged and held tight as a mother nurtures her child. Shame accepts no rationalisations, no excuses. Shame will cry, when the child is defiled, and its tears shall never be silenced.


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"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

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    #18566107 - 07/16/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

"if you want to know what good 4D posture looks like, look at Michael Jackson"

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    #18567053 - 07/16/13 02:25 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Epic post, really enjoyed reading that. It made me feel better about getting shittanked too.

I don't really buy into the natural vs. artificial stuff either. Can something "unnatural" be produced? It's all coming from the same place -- matter... Earth stuff. Saying that a human produced substance is unnatural would be saying human intellect and creativity are unnatural. I would prefer some more studies on all these RCs though. Noms Noms :yeahthatsfunny:




Piracetam isn't an RC, it has been heavily researched:

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=piracetam&as_sdt=1%2C16&as_sdtp=


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    #18574299 - 07/18/13 12:57 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Update:

Doing daily yoga continues to have profound positive effects on mood and fitness. My body is probably as lean, cut and "ripped" as it has ever been, and my balance and skill at yoga is definitely improving although every day I need to be humble and accept my limitations in practice.

I have added creatine HCL, whey protein isolate and body building exercises to my daily routine in an effort to gain more muscle mass and size, as yoga alone tends to lead one to a very lean, almost skinny body type, despite being superb for all aspects of health.

I have been struggling to fit in my daily meditations and have sort of allowed yoga to be my meditation for the day, as it certainly is calming, helps center me and brings me peace and serenity, but I am determined to do my daily practice in addition.

I continue to beat my high scores in lumosity, and notice an improvement in my cognitive performance, social skills and job performance, which could be the result of the brain training, the nootropics, or both.

My dream recall is fairly good but I have not been having many lucid dreams, I am not sure why.

I have decided to quit smoking marijuana in order to save money, improve my memory, and practice self-discipline.

I continue to enjoy the benefits of not drinking alcohol, and find I do not miss it at all.

Overall my mood has been positive, I have little or no depression or anxiety, which could be the result of the SAMe supplementation, the yoga, or a combination of factors.

I am cutting back on video games and other frivolous entertainments, and focusing more and more of my time on training and self-improvement.

I am focusing on making performance enhancement the core of my lifestyle.

Dropping weed out of my life is a big step for me and a sign of my commitment to self-improvement and changing old habits in order to optimize my quality of life.

The major failing of my program right now is that i have not been keeping up with my daily meditations, which are sort of the heart of the whole program.

So my major successes are doing yoga regularly, doing lumosity regularly, dropping alcohol and marijuana, recording my dreams regularly, and adding muscle building exercises to my daily routine.

My major failings are not meditating regularly, a few diet slip ups (i ate donuts once or twice  :barf: ), and not having many lucid dreams. I have also not been successful at abstaining from masturbation.

I am also adding a financial component to the program, aiming to build my savings. I estimate by not drinking or smoking weed , I can save between 4 and 5 thousand dollars a year. I will use that money either to travel the world or to stockpile survival supplies (doomsday prepping).

I have noticed occasional lower right abdominal pain, and will consult a doctor about that tomorrow, in case it is caused by a supplement I take or something.

I also want to resume work on writing a book I have been working on, in order to incorporate a creative outlet to my program.

Thank you all for your contributions to this thead.

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    #18574458 - 07/18/13 02:10 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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There is no way to know what the Buddha would or would not have forbidden had he been alive today. In fact, he initially resisted setting down any precepts at all, but his followers insisted. The firth precept (abstaining from intoxicating liquors) already has a special status as it is, in that unlike the previous four precepts, breaking the fifth precept imposes no karmic penalty of its own. Rather, the only reason to abstain from intoxicating liquors is not because alcohol is in itself sinful, but because it makes the user more likely to violate the other four precepts, which do have karmic consequences.


Some Buddhists and Hindus  prefer to abstain from all drugs entirely. I respect that opinion. However, I believe in optimizing my own health, happiness and well being through the use of plant allies and carefully chosen medicines.

I am prescribed clonazepam for the management of anxiety, and that is the purpose for which I use it. The only major difference is that instead of using it daily as prescribed, I use it once a week or less.

I do not use drugs to "get fucked up" or to "party". I will use medicines to reduce pain and fear and enhance my quality of life.

I have only recently incorporated clonazepam into my life, at my doctor's bequest, and I have been using it sparingly, cautiously, to assess its value in my life.

So far I have found it helpful and not harmful, within the parameters I set out for my own use.

I may soon stop using it altogether, replacing it entirely with alternative medicines such as kava  and phenibut, or I may continue to use it as I have been- rarely and never on consecutive days.

Ultimately we are all scientists and our lives are our great experiments. Through my life I have experimented with several things only to find in the end they were not serving me, and so I let them go.

I used to do cocaine, but I realized it was not helping me and I let it go. I used to drink alcohol but I realized it was not helping me, and I let it go. Perhaps I will come to feel the same way about clonazepam at some point. Time will tell.

I consider stress to be physically and emotionally harmful, and I believe that anxiolytic medications can be one strategy for managing stress, along with yoga, good diet, meditation and exercise, etc.

You can say I use anxiolytics "recreationally" but really I use them for their intended purpose- to reduce anxiety.

I do not claim to be living a perfect or flawless life. I simply have a clear sense of my path, and I walk it as best as I can, clinging to what I know is good for me (yoga, meditation, gardening, dreaming, nature) and shunning what I know is not good for me (stimulants, alcohol, tobacco).

Clonazepam has been a useful tool for me, something that can be of great use and enjoyment and which so far has not caused me any problems.

However, I may choose to let it go as well if that seems wise in the future.

I do see it as an occasional medicine that is helpful in my life and that I use sparingly, cautiously and occasionally.

Right now my life is going in the direction I want it to go, and I am happy with the progress I have made and am making. However, I am always open to changing up the plan if new information or experiences make that necessary.

I believe in the value of drugs as life-enhancement tools. However, I have very specific ideas about which drugs, in what doses, at what times and for what reasons.

Right now I have worked out a system that works very well for me. Clonazepam does play a role in that system.

For the moment I am comfortable with using it in the way I do. However I have been, and will continue to be, careful with it, and may let it go if I ever see a reason to do so.

I appreciate you asking these questions, and giving me the opportunity to reflect on and elucidate my life-strategy.





Well, we could get an idea through some of the teachings, but I think this is more in regard to "addiction" for pure pleasure than for medicine, (just imo) :

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Kitano Gempo, abbot of Eihei temple, was ninety-two years old when he passed away in the year 1933. He endeavored his whole like not to be attached to anything. As a wandering mendicant when he was twenty he happened to meet a traveler who smoked tobacco. As they walked together down a mountain road, they stopped under a tree to rest. The traveler offered Kitano a smoke, which he accepted, as he was very hungry at the time.

"How pleasant this smoking is," he commented. The other gave him an extra pipe and tobacco and they parted.

Kitano felt: "Such pleasant things may disturb meditation. Before this goes too far, I will stop now." So he threw the smoking outfit away.

When he was twenty-three years old he studied I-King, the profoundest doctrine of the universe. It was winter at the time and he needed some heavy clothes. He wrote his teacher, who lived a hundred miles away, telling him of his need, and gave the letter to a traveler to deliver. Almost the whole winter passed and neither answer nor clothes arrived. So Kitano resorted to the prescience of I-King, which also teaches the art of divination, to determine whether or not his letter had miscarried. He found that this had been the case. A letter afterwards from his teacher made no mention of clothes.

"If I perform such accurate determinative work with I-King, I may neglect my meditation," felt Kitano. So he gave up this marvelous teaching and never resorted to its powers again.

When he was twenty-eight he studied Chinese calligraphy and poetry. He grew so skillful in these arts that his teacher praised him. Kitano mused: "If I don't stop now, I'll be a poet, not a Zen teacher." So he never wrote another poem.






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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: teknix]
    #18574606 - 07/18/13 03:55 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Make meditation your 1st priority.



Meditation => freedom from distraction
Meditation => ability to remain centred and focused


What happens when you stop meditating regularly?

At first... nothing. Then a little something comes up. Oh, why don't I just smoke weed, I can always meditate later. Besides, I've got a lot of meditation stored up in my nerves, it's all good.


Then suddenly you're back to square 1. The distractions pile up one on top of another and everything you worked for has dissipated in front of your very eyes. It happened very slowly, very very slowly, even yet you did not see. It happened right in front of your face but your mind, you let it cloud over and consequently you could not see the rocks waiting to break the hull of your ship.




Meditation is like filling up the gas tank of focus/determination/resilience/perseverance. If you do not fill up the gas tank regularly, your willpower will go fut and suddenly sugar, lust, intoxication will become very appealing! Distractions burn out the willpower reserve so you must meditate to stay fuel efficient, to stay sustainable and renewable. Let go of meditation and you will be hit by Peak Oil!

I realised all of this after my own "Project Mastermind" went to shit. And now I do it, dare I say, religiously :omgawesome:


If you stop meditating, you don't just stop meditating. You start surrendering to distraction and vanity and transient lusts. They are diametrical opposites. Meditation reinforces meditation, intoxication reinforces intoxication.


So watch out! This is how it gets you!


A simple way round is this.

As soon as you wake up, meditate there and then in bed for 5 minutes.
Before you go to sleep, meditate there and then in bed for 5 minutes.

Bam, an effortless 10 minutes of meditation in your day without even a single thought. Keep this habit with you, it is crucial to your success.

If you do not have 5 minutes to meditate before bed, that means you are collapsing into an intoxicated doze. If you do not have 5 minutes to meditate upon waking up, that means you are waking up into an intoxicated daze!


If you find your Self slipping on either the waking or sleeping meditation, then you KNOW you are being distracted by something - ELIMINATE THAT DISTRACTION, THE MEDITATION IS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS MORE IMPORTANT!


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"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

"If boring drudgery was the way of the universe, everything would have killed itself long ago." - Spacerific


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    #18575569 - 07/18/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you for the reminder, I absolutely agree, meditation is essential and nothing else will avail if meditation is neglected.

So I go now to meditate.

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    #18577126 - 07/18/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I like how you post both the successes and slips, keeps it honest.
Did you notice you got the 108th post :tongue2:

With the creatine make sure to drink alot alot alot of water to avoid kidney stones. Im sure you know that but you mentioned the abdominal pain and sometime people think they are but aren't drinking enough.

Maybe your mind just wants to sleep when you sleep because you keep it so active when your up:shrug:. Before you go to bed you could try hopping on youtube and find a white nose recording or some other ambient sound that you like, and just let that play all night, it might help the lucidity.

About the meditation, this is something i have been trying to get into sense my last psilocybin experience. Thoughts where coming at me in a undesired way, they were closing in and also took on there own demonic presence. Reminded me of the Buddha under the bodhi tree.

I needed that open and clear space that peace of mind and soulful self assurance and if i had the foundation of meditation things would have been cleaner and easier, could have even been fun and not such a trial. The next day I started. :sunny:

Day one went good (i micro dosed .5g that day), it mostly centered on posture and it felt good.
Day two was better and at one moment i observed thoughts in a way that seemed detached from judgment. My view on things became more detached from me than normal, and that gave opportunity to observe things more as is along side what i thought of it. Its hard to put my finger on it now because im not in it but can feel the feeling, it seamed like a start.
Day three was difficult and I spent the whole twenty minutes just trying to get into it.
Day four and five were derailed by mosquitoes.
Yesterday and today i feel like im just taking a pose of position and thoughts are ever present, my brain will not stop for more than a sec or two, basically im just sitting in a chair.
How did you guys get through the beginner hang ups and pit falls? Any tips for me :begger: or just stay at?


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    #18577679 - 07/18/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Hey brother, thank you for your post. I love that picture of the buddha, I used to keep that picture in my daily journal. Its quite meaningful and inspirational on many levels.

Thanks for the tip about water. I drink a ton but its hard to get enough, let alone too much.

I take creatine HCL, which is an improved form of creatine that is supposed to reduce the side effects of creatine and require less water than creatine monohydrate and other kinds. But I will drink some, thanks.

I made a doctors appointment about the abdominal issue but it is mild, infrequent and not constant, so it may be something benign and simple.

As for your meditation question, here is what you should know.

One, even the ancient texts specify that you need to find a meditation place free of insects that bite you or crawl on you. I have tried meditating in the forest getting bitten by mosquitos and it is just not worth it. Find an indoor place if bugs are an issue.

Now, more importantly, you mentioned that when you sit in meditation sometimes you cant calm your mind at all and you have thoughts going through your head so at the end you feel like you failed or just were sitting in a chair.

Here is the important thing- if you sit in meditation, you have succeeded. There are no failed meditations except the one you do not do.

Just make sure you have a clear understanding of what method you are using, and keep trying to practice it as best you can. When you notice you are distracted, just return to your practice, as many times as you need to.

As long as you sat down and tried your meditation for the set amount of time (30 minutes is good for a beginner) you have succeeded! You should be happy and proud, even if you did not get what you wanted or expected.

Practice makes perfect, and persistence and discipline will always pay off eventually.

Its just like working out. Dont judge your work out or get discouraged if you did less reps of wieght than you wanted, just be happy and proud you DID your work out.. The only bad work out is the one you do not do, the only bad meditation is the one you do not do.

I find it very helpful to keep a journal. Put the date for each day, and write down "meditation 30 min" and then put a box beside it. When you finish your 30 min, no matter how distracted you were, pat yourself on the back and check the box. That will make you feel satisfied and reward your effort. Dont judge your success, just make sure you do your meditation and check your box as many days as possible. If you miss a day dont beat yourself up, just try harder to do it the next day.

If you are meditating daily, you are getting there, even if you do not feel like it.

NOW- if you are really struggling with sitting silent meditation, I recommend mantra meditation. Mantra meditation is easier for beginners. I recommend getting a mala (a necklace with 108 or 109 beads) and chanting OM 108 times. This should take almost exactly 30 minuites and is an excellent meditation. Chanting OM loudly will push other thoughts out of your mind and resonate through your body with great benefits. It is an ancient and time tested method of meditation used by both buddhist and hindu schools.

Once you have done your mantra meditation for a few weeks you can switch back to silent meditation and may find it easier. Better yet, I like to do 30 minutes of mantra meditation BEFORE my silent meditation. It breaks the ice and makes the more subtle silent meditation easier.

Good luck, enjoy, be persistent, be gentle with yourself, and remember- there are no bad meditations, if you are doing it you are getting there.

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    #18578308 - 07/18/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the reply bro.:sunny:

I had a problem with creatine not so long ago, started as a sharp pain that would come and go so i went to urologist on suspicion. Turned out it was a small stone about the size of a grain of rice. He put me on a low oxalate diet and i stopped use. He said it might pass without me noticing or it might hurt really bad. I haven't had any recurring pain and never noticed it pass, that was a few months ago and i have tried it a few time recently with no problem other than the diuretic effect. Its a thing that needs to build up in the system though, in the end it just worries me to much so im probably going to leave it out.

Look into BCAA (branch chain amino acid) its good stuff.
This is just a random site i pulled up and skimmed.
http://www.charlespoliquin.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Articles/Article/791/The_Benefits_of_BCAAs.aspx

I will keep up the meditation and use the tips and encouragement you gave me, and keep an eye out for the beads. Im thinking dollar stores might have them and there is always the psychic shop.

One thing about the first two days i did this, my body was asking for some stretching so i found myself doing improvised yoga for a little while before hand. I tried to replicate that in the following days but it wasn't the same.


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    #18578712 - 07/18/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Yes doing yoga will help you sit in meditation, thats actually what both yoga and kung fu were designed for- to allow monks to sit in meditation for hours at a time.

You might have the most luck ordering the mala from the internet.


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    #18600731 - 07/23/13 04:46 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Supplementation is much more complex than "vitamins".

You should research coenzyme q10, S adenosyl Methionine, N acetyl Cysteine and CDP choline (citicoline) to name just a few.

I do not take a multivitamin.

I do take D vitamin because I live in Winnipeg, where we are desperately starved for sunlight.

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    #18623259 - 07/28/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

An update and addendum to project mastermind:



Creatine makes you stronger. It should be taken an hour before working out. Before and after working out you should drink a protein isolate shake.

S adenosyl methionine makes you happy.

Noopept and citicoline make you smart.

Spirulina and chlorella prevent disease and enhance vitality.

Raw cacao reduces overall risk of mortality substantially.

Raw garlic prevents and treats colds and the flu.

Milk thistle, N acetyl cysteine and S adenosyl methionine prevent and repair damage to the liver, including from alcohol.

Melatonin slows the aging process and protects dna.

N acetyl Cysteine and S adenosyl methionine synthesize in the body to produce glutathione, one of the two master antioxidants, along with melatonin.

Raw garlic and unpasteurized honey are natural antibiotics. Chewing raw garlic in your mouth while inhaling through the mouth and exhaling through the nose repeatedly, then swollowing, will treat infections of the sinus, mouth, throat, stomach, intestines and lungs and prevent cancer in those same areas.

Raw garlic, unpasteurized honey and apple cider vinegar are the original triumvirate of medicine according to hipocrates, the father of modern medicine.





Reishi mushroom is the supreme medicine of traditional chinese herbalism. It prevents and cures cancer and other diseases.

Along with Reishi mushroom, shitaake, chaga and cordyceps are also incredibly potent medicines for treating cancer and other illness.

Reishi brings longevity.

Piracetam, like noopept, increases intelligence when combined with a choline, the best coline is citicoline, which is itself nootropic (cognition enhancing).




S adenosyl methionine treats liver disease and repairs liver damage, boosts mood as well as antidepressant drugs without the side effects, and relieves joint pain while repairing cartilage. It should be taken on an empty stomach along with a b vitamin complex which is needed to absorb it properly.

Kratom is a supreme antidepressant which works within one hour to reduce stress and depression. It also prevents and treats strokes and diabetes and contains antioxidants and fiber, among other health benefits.

Marijuana, if cooked in oil or vaporized, has numerous health benefits, and concentrated formulas orally ingested can cure serious illnesses.

Apple cider vinegar is a tonic that invigorates and alkalizes the body with numerous beneficial effects.

N acetyl cysteine reduces the negative effects of schizophrenia and makes it easier to quit addictions to cocaine and gambling.

Valerian root is a natural sedative and anxiolytic that functions as an alternative to benzodiazepine drugs. The same is true of kava root.



Passionflower extract is a psychoactive sedative that is an MAOI and can potentiate other drugs.

Salvia divinorum is a legal and natural psychedelic drug that has similarities to Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) for example, fast onset, intense visions and short duration.

Kava is known as the plant of peace and is an excellent alternative to alcohol but should not be mixed with alcohol or tylenol.




Tylenol (APAP or acetemenophen) is highly hepatotoxic (damaging to the liver) and should not be consumed at all, especially not in combination with kava, alcohol or other hepatoxic medications.

As mentioned earlier, milk thistle, SAMe (S adenosyl methionine) and NAC (n acetyl cysteine) can prevent, reduce and repair the damage to the liver inflicted by alcohol.

Real coconut water (not from concentrate) is an ideal way to hydrate.

You should always add lemon juice to your drinking water to maintain an alkaline internal environment, which is excellent for health.

Grapefruit juice potentiates and prolongs the effects of many drugs such as benzodiazepines.

Melatonin, Spirulina, chlorella, rosemary and cilantro protect against damage from radiation.

NAC (N acetyl cysteine) is very good for the lungs and can help clear up bronchitis and lung infections.

Vitamin C can not be synthesized within the human body (endogenously) and the body needs it for multiple processes and lacks the ability to store it due to a mutation shared with guinea pigs. For that reason regular supplementation with vitamin C may be desirable. Liposamal vitamin C is a more bioavailable form of vitamin C.

If you live in northern climates with short days or rarely go outside you may be deficient in vitamin D. This can lead to many negative outcomes and supplementation with vitamin D (as well as half an hour of naked sun exposure a day) will be beneficial.




Alcoholics are severely depleted in B vitamins, which leads to numerous serious health problems. If you drink, you should take a b vitamin complex. You should also take the liver supplements mentioned above.

S adenosyl methionine should be taken on an empty stomach with b vitamins, and you should not eat for a few hours after taking it. It should come in foil blister packs and should not be refrigerated. AOR sells the best SAMe, and it is an amazing psychoactive supplement that brings happiness, heals joints and cartilage and repairs the liver among many other functions.



You should always wear a sleep mask while sleeping, and sleep in a completely dark room. Any amount of light will severely disrupt natural melatonin production with serious negative health consequences.

You should always eat breakfast first thing in the morning. If you skip breakfast your body goes into caloric storage mode and you will gain fat weight. Furthermore men who skip breakfast are five times as likely to have a heart attack.

You should avoid apex ocean predators such as salmon and tuna as food, as they have the highest concentration of radiation and toxins in their flesh, due to bioaccumulation. You should instead eat fish at the bottom of the food pyramid, especially fatty fish. Anchovies and herring are good examples of healthier sources of essential fish oils, while salmon and tuna are contaminated as well as endangered (relatively).

Raw miso, along with rosemary tea, and spirulina and chlorella, can save your life if you are exposed to radiation, and we are all exposed to multiple sources of radiation, so everyone should take these.

Bathing in water saturated with bentonite clay will leech toxins, heavy metals and other undesirable things from the pores of your skin. Ingesting bentonite clay with water can remove toxins, heavy metals and other undersirable things from inside your body.

Chewing garlic , moving the chewed garlic around your mouth and tounge, then gargling it with water and swishing it around your mouth before swollowing will clean and disinfect your mouth.

People who drink raw organic cacao (unprocessed chocolate) have much lower rates of all cause mortality (they live longer and die less). Furthermore raw cacao is psychoactive and induces euphoria.

People who drink organic white tea (a young form of green tea) have significantly reduced all cause mortality. They live longer and die less.

There is a chinese herb called Jiagolan (spelling?) that is known as the herb of immortality and has numerous and dramatic health benefits, It is available for purchase as a tea.




Meditation changes the physical structure of the brain and has numerous physical, biological, mental and emotional benefits.

Yoga is a superb form of exercise that simultaneously increases strength, balance, flexibility and coordination while cultivating inner peace and spiritual enlightenment.

Lucid dreaming is accessible to everyone with training and offers a gateway to transcendent and magnificent realms of unimagined potential and beauty.

Everyone dreams, but not all remember. Simply recording your dreams each morning will lead to steadily increasing dream recall.

The interupted sleep technique, in which one wakes up, stays awake for a few minuites and walks around, then goes back to sleep, will result in lucid dreams for most people within a few weeks of trying.

Martial arts such as kung fu and yoga are both moving meditations in themselves as well as ways to prepare the body to sit in meditation for prolonged periods of time.

The healthiest red meat is elk. Bison is also healthy. Grass fed beef is much more healthy than corn fed beef.

Astral projection, out of body experiences, lucid dreams and waking induced lucid dreams, shamanic trances and religious rapture are all states of consciousness that are real and accessible to human beings.

Humans are multidimensional beings , equipped with supremely sophisticated organic "wetware" (biotechnology) that allows us to move between "dimensions" (realms of consciousness). This can be trained and achieved at will, which is what shamanism refers to. Non-shamans do this naturally during dreaming and other states.

DNA can be altered through conscious choices (epigenetics), it is possible to reprogram your brain and DNA. Neuroplasticity shows that through training, the neurons in the brain can be connected into new interlocations, and the overall cognitive functioning of the brain can be increased through conscious effort.



The lumosity brain training games work well to use neuroplasticity to enhance multiple dimensions of cognitive functioning.

On you tube, you can find a series of free workout videos calls "hasfit" with Coach Kozak. These videos (there are hundreds) are superb workouts and offer every possible form of workout from beginner to super advanced.

Combining creating and protein isolate with Coach Kozacs hasfit videos will lead to powerful muscle strength and mass.


Using noopept and citicoline with Lumosity will lead to a powerful brain.

Practicing dream recall and lucid dreaming will lead to the realization of your own multidimensional being.

Taking SAMe on an empty stomach each day with B vitamins will make you happier and relieve depression.

Doing yoga and practicing meditation provide enormous benefits and should be considered top priorities in life (in my opinion).

Remembering your dreams and practicing lucid dreaming is essential to realizing your potential as a human being (in my opinion).

Practicing martial arts, along with yoga and meditation, leads to supreme self cultivation and ultimate benefit.

Drinking large amounts of water is essential. The quality of your water is essential. An ideal water is reverse osmosis purified water with added lemon juice.

Sleep is profoundly healing and restorative. The more sleep you can get the better.

Naps are healthy and beneficial. Napping during the day is a life enhancement strategy.

Getting massages is enormously beneficial. Regular message has profound emotional and physical benefits.

Skin on skin contact is important for all aspects of human health. Naked cuddling is extremely good for both body and brain.

Exposure to nature is healing. Hugging trees, sleeping in grass, swimming in lakes, and walking in forests heals the body, soul and mind.

Petting  or playing with a cat or a dog is excellent for mental and emotional health.

Eating elk, turkey, herring, sardine and bison is much healthier than eating chicken, pork, beef, salmon and tuna.

Education has enormous benefits on all aspects of life success. If you can afford formal education, do it. If you can not, educate yourself with discipline and seek out all opportunities to learn.




Reading is beneficial, but so are task oriented games such as the lumosity neuroscience brain training exercises.

Educate your brain, but also train it like a muscle.

Assert yourself and speak clearly when you feel you are being wronged. Do not be silenced, speak your truth with strength and conviction.

The practice of spirituality and religion has benefits and is universal for that reason, it provides valuable coping mechanisms for dealing with loss, mortality and grief, and for this reason most turn to it when faced with these realities. It is better to engage with spirituality and religion before tragedy makes this necessary.

Therapy, in the form of counseling and psychotherapy, is beneficial and should be taken advantage of whenever possible.

Magnesium is essential for good health and almost everyone is deficient in it. Raw cacao is an excellent source of magnesium. Magnesium intake is a pillar of good health.

Spinach, broccoli and kale are superlative vegetables and should be eaten regularly.

Diet should emphasize vegetables, lean healthy proteins, nuts and fruits.

Carbohydrates, corn, sugar, wheat and gluten should be removed from the diet as much as possible.

You should run on the front of your feet, not letting the heels slam down when running.

It is essential to escape urban environments and experience forests, lakes, and stars that are not obscured by city light pollution. The reconnection through nature is a pure and transformative ecstasy.

The path of Dharma is compassionate wisdom. Strive to walk the path of compassionate wisdom.



Pray in your heart "May all beings be well and happy. May all beings be free of fear and pain".

Take care to revel in music that is healing to your soul, and avoid ingesting any media (music, television, etc) that is disruptive to your inner harmony.

Practice forebearance- understand that you are multidimensional, and thus rise above any level of concern of upset that you encounted, float emotionally above it as the cloud is untouched by the tops of the trees.

Tell the people you love them that you love them out loud, every day, whenever possible, and hug the people you love. Embrace in preference of hand shakes whenever possible.

Practice the following disciplines.

1. Asana (yoga postures of the body)
2. Mudra (mystic postures of the hands)
3. Mantra (mystic syllables chanted)
4. Pranayama (conscious breathing)
5. Mandala (symmetrical spiritual artwork as a focus of mediation)
6. Metta (loving kindness)



Be aware that their is benefit in abstaining from alcohol, gambling, prostitution, pornography, hard drugs (crack, heroin, methamphetamine, APVP, MDPV, pharmaceutical opiates, intravenous recreational drugs), sugar, trans fats, MSG and asparatame.

Be aware that practicing meditation, yoga and  martial arts while taking the above supplements and following the above disciplines while avoiding the above undesirable substances and activities, one can achieve great benefits.

Psychedelic drugs such as ayahuasca, DMT and Ibogaine root can be supremely psycho-therapeutic and healing , especially under the guidance of a trained shaman, and can help cure addictions.




Kombucha is a form of fermented tea with health benefits and joyful taste.

Hemp is a supreme food, and hemp seed (hearts) and oil should be ingested regularly for great benefits.

The combination of daily lumosity brain training exercises with a nootropic like noopept and a nootropic choline like citicoline leads to profound gains in cognition.

It is good to love, and to express love, as much and as often and as fully as possible.

Chanting praise and prayers is called "kirtan" and is benefical for emotional health.

Yoga refers not only to the physical postures known as asanas (Hatha yoga) but also to meditation , the chanting of mantra, proper breathing, ethical lifestyle, etc.

Studying scriptures, particularly the Tao teh Ching, the Dhammaphada, the Upanishads and the yoga sutras of Patanjali is highly beneficial.

Communing in nature whenever possible is ideal. Walking in the forest is supremely spiritual and supremely enlightening if attention is focused outwards on the nature around you.

The mind is a drunken monkey. It must be tamed through discipline and meditation is life is to be guided to fulfillment.

Hell realms exist as a result of persistent accumulation of negative karma leading to states of consciousness characterized by increasingly intense suffering (Dukkha). Similarly heaven realms exist as the result of persistent accumulation of positive karma leading to states of consciousness characterized by increasing levels of Moksha (liberation) , Ananda (bliss), and Sat (light), leading ultimately to Enlightenment (Nirvana).

When practicing this path, sudden flashes of insight may occur (satori).



These flashes of insight lead to true Knowledge (Gnosis). Gnosis may also occur through disciplined study.

Initiation within a valid spiritual lineage is beneficial, as is initiation or consecration within a religious faith, such as baptism of shamanic initiation.

Multiple realms or planes of consciousness and reality exist, and human beings are capable of traversing them, either randomly and unconsciously or with intention and discipline.

Intelligent forces exist that are malevolent and hostile towards your personal and spiritual growth and development. They are best combated through prayer, mantras, and Mudras, combined with a spiritually infused life of ethical excellence.

DMT provides profound experiences of other dimensional entities.

Physical exercise, meditation, mental exercise, diet, and dreaming are the foundations of the ideal path.

It is best to have two sharp swords, one long and one short, as well as a sharp knife and two firearms, along with ammunition, and the skill to use all of them effectively.



It is best to have a year's supply of non-perishable food and at least six months worth of bottled water as well as a comprehensive kit containing survival supplies such as flash lights, first aid, sleeping bags, tents, water purification devices, painkillers, barter goods such as coffee, cigarettes, and alcohol, medicines, anxiolytics, disinfectants, antibiotics, rope, work gloves, cooking pots, bug spray, sunscreen, water bottles, emergency food rations, energy and protein bars, etc).

Keep a journal of all the productive and beneficial things you do each day, carefully dated. Write down every good thing you do, every productive thing, but not any of your problems or failings. Write all your dreams, visions, and psychedelic trips in this journal.

Practice both silent breathing awareness meditation and chanting mantras.



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    #18624367 - 07/28/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Seriously?
You didn't include jala neti? Oil pulling? Medicinal clay? Schisandra? Chia seeds??
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Man, I'm quite a nutrition geek and used to use a lot of what you listed,
but this is so much it's qute overwhelming.
Over time I simplified it, eating 90% just what I find in my garden and forest, meadows in my area.
It includes a lot of knowledge of plants, but it's quite joyous.
I don't eat meat and diary, but make it up with home grown shiitake, wild chicken of the woods, lentils, beans, chick peas, etc.
What I buy is mostly almonds, amaranth, olives, citruses and similar things that don't grow locally.
I'm a bit skeptical about the methods, colors used and bodies ability to handle concentrated doses of certain supplements.
I strongly believe that nature provides no less than all we need in exactly the proper form best for us.
That's simply just my practice and philosophy on it and I'm nobody, so I'm not saying it's better or that there's anything wrong with
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I can only say I haven't shown any symptoms of sickness in years and feel vital and energetic, but think it has more to do with the mental
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    #18624397 - 07/28/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup:

Thank you! I forgot to mention oil pulling and neti pots. Neti pots are like little tea pots used to pour sterile salt water through the sinuses. Oil pulling is like gargling with oil, squishing it through the teeth over and over again like using mouth wash, then spitting. As I understand It sesame oil is the best for this purpose. Chia seeds are a super food. I did mention medicinal clay already (bentonite/montmorillonite). I am not familiar with Schisandra and would like to know more.

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    #18624444 - 07/28/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Posting to save this as a guideline.





Me too, thanks Moonshoe!

I'm not ready to undergoe this change yet, but maybe I will some months down the road.  I'm working on the quitting "hard drugs" part right now, except that's mainly just nicotine and alcohol.  I have a little amphetamine stashed away (~10 doses) I'm gonna slowly chip through that shit during this semester at school, but once it's gone, it's gone.

I'll tell you right now though that there's no way I could ever adhere to that diet!  Cutting out potato chips is something I'd like to do, as well as microwavable meals (needs more time but still yes).  Chocolate is more energizing to me than caffeine though, so I can't cut that, and there is NO WAY I'll ever stop eating pork/beef/chicken.  I like bacon more than drugs.  What God-Loving 'Merican doesn't? :smirk:

And veggies are only edible on sandwiches and pizza.  I won't be eating my spinach on its own!



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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: extreme]
    #18624468 - 07/28/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Chocolate in its raw, unprocessed form is enormously healthy, so by all means indulge in that (raw cacao, with hot water, coconut oil and honey is as delicious as it is healthy, and even psychoactive).


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    #18624577 - 07/28/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Chocolate in its raw, unprocessed form is enormously healthy, so by all means indulge in that (raw cacao, with hot water, coconut oil and honey is as delicious as it is healthy, and even psychoactive).




Does that taste like hot chocolate?  If it does I'm going to mentally bookmark that recipe :wink:

And sorry for the neglect but I don't wanna go back, but did you mention in your OP or anywhere else in this thread the potential benefits of things like yerba mate etc?


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    #18624593 - 07/28/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, chocolate is amazing. There's nothing quite like it and very beneficial.

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I am not familiar with Schisandra and would like to know more.



It's a creeper plant indigenous to China. It needs about 12 years and both genders of the plant to actually produce berries. Now they are something special because they are the only fruit in the world that has all five tastes. It doesn't make it a delicacy of any sort, but it is the best thing for balance in the body, resulting into strong immune system, prolonging life, brain performance and what not.. another one of those... but it's really interesting if you are into ayurveda. It has all five tastes, but some will call it salty, some will call it sweet, others bitter etc. Based on how it tastes to you, you can find out what your body is missing.


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    #18624650 - 07/28/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you for reminding me, I forgot to mention that Yerba Mate is a very healthy drink which contains most of the nutrients needed to sustain human health.

I also forgot to mention goji berries, which are powerful medicinal fruit, and acai berries, which are a premium natural antioxidant.

And yes it tastes like hot chocolate, actually it IS hot chocolate, real authentic hot chocolate, and it does wonders for your health and taste buds, as well as being relaxing and euphoric.


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    #18624653 - 07/28/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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    #18624676 - 07/28/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

This is a great thread. I think however, that you can completely remove supplements from it. I feel that supplements detract from the odies natural state of functioning


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    #18624699 - 07/28/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Thank you for reminding me, I forgot to mention that Yerba Mate is a very healthy drink which contains most of the nutrients needed to sustain human health.

I also forgot to mention goji berries, which are powerful medicinal fruit, and acai berries, which are a premium natural antioxidant.

And yes it tastes like hot chocolate, actually it IS hot chocolate, real authentic hot chocolate, and it does wonders for your health and taste buds, as well as being relaxing and euphoric.



It sounds funny, but switching to green tea I think is very important. Caffiene as well as nicotine and alcohol seriously fuck up my bodily energies. Meditating with habitual use of any of those is a challenge to me IMO


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    #18624725 - 07/28/13 04:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Thank you for reminding me, I forgot to mention that Yerba Mate is a very healthy drink which contains most of the nutrients needed to sustain human health.

I also forgot to mention goji berries, which are powerful medicinal fruit, and acai berries, which are a premium natural antioxidant.

And yes it tastes like hot chocolate, actually it IS hot chocolate, real authentic hot chocolate, and it does wonders for your health and taste buds, as well as being relaxing and euphoric.




I've never actually tried YM, but I've heard a lot of good things about it (some from you I'm sure!) so I thought I'd mention it.  Pretty easy to buy on the internet yea?

But I'm totally giving the hot chocolate a go sometime.  Can all those things be found at a normal grocery store like Target?  I could stop drinking coffee and energy drinks etc which I'm not super fond of in the first place, and enjoy a nice chocolate drink instead!


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    #18624729 - 07/28/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
Thank you for reminding me, I forgot to mention that Yerba Mate is a very healthy drink which contains most of the nutrients needed to sustain human health.

I also forgot to mention goji berries, which are powerful medicinal fruit, and acai berries, which are a premium natural antioxidant.

And yes it tastes like hot chocolate, actually it IS hot chocolate, real authentic hot chocolate, and it does wonders for your health and taste buds, as well as being relaxing and euphoric.




I've never actually tried YM, but I've heard a lot of good things about it (some from you I'm sure!) so I thought I'd mention it.  Pretty easy to buy on the internet yea?

But I'm totally giving the hot chocolate a go sometime.  Can all those things be found at a normal grocery store like Target?  I could stop drinking coffee and energy drinks etc which I'm not super fond of in the first place, and enjoy a nice chocolate drink instead!



Everyone has thier own preferences, but I have 1 cup of YB in the morning, and two cups of green tea throughout the day. That seems to be the sweetspot


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    #18624814 - 07/28/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

Moonshoe said:
Thank you for reminding me, I forgot to mention that Yerba Mate is a very healthy drink which contains most of the nutrients needed to sustain human health.

I also forgot to mention goji berries, which are powerful medicinal fruit, and acai berries, which are a premium natural antioxidant.

And yes it tastes like hot chocolate, actually it IS hot chocolate, real authentic hot chocolate, and it does wonders for your health and taste buds, as well as being relaxing and euphoric.



It sounds funny, but switching to green tea I think is very important. Caffiene as well as nicotine and alcohol seriously fuck up my bodily energies. Meditating with habitual use of any of those is a challenge to me IMO




Green tea is very nice, but I highly recommend switching to white tea instead. Organic white tea is the best tea in my opinion. It is basically baby green tea, and is even healthier with a better taste.


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    #18624821 - 07/28/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

Moonshoe said:
Thank you for reminding me, I forgot to mention that Yerba Mate is a very healthy drink which contains most of the nutrients needed to sustain human health.

I also forgot to mention goji berries, which are powerful medicinal fruit, and acai berries, which are a premium natural antioxidant.

And yes it tastes like hot chocolate, actually it IS hot chocolate, real authentic hot chocolate, and it does wonders for your health and taste buds, as well as being relaxing and euphoric.




I've never actually tried YM, but I've heard a lot of good things about it (some from you I'm sure!) so I thought I'd mention it.  Pretty easy to buy on the internet yea?

But I'm totally giving the hot chocolate a go sometime.  Can all those things be found at a normal grocery store like Target?  I could stop drinking coffee and energy drinks etc which I'm not super fond of in the first place, and enjoy a nice chocolate drink instead!




You may not be able to find raw organic unprocessed cacao at a regular grocery store, they typically only carry processed coco which is not at all the same thing and is of very limited health value. You will probably need to go to a health food store to find raw unprocessed organic cacao. You can probably find unpasteurized honey and virgin coconut oil at a grocery store though. Note that you want unpasteurized honey, not pasteurized honey.


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    #18624825 - 07/28/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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This is a great thread. I think however, that you can completely remove supplements from it. I feel that supplements detract from the odies natural state of functioning




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    #18624856 - 07/28/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
Thank you for reminding me, I forgot to mention that Yerba Mate is a very healthy drink which contains most of the nutrients needed to sustain human health.

I also forgot to mention goji berries, which are powerful medicinal fruit, and acai berries, which are a premium natural antioxidant.

And yes it tastes like hot chocolate, actually it IS hot chocolate, real authentic hot chocolate, and it does wonders for your health and taste buds, as well as being relaxing and euphoric.



It sounds funny, but switching to green tea I think is very important. Caffiene as well as nicotine and alcohol seriously fuck up my bodily energies. Meditating with habitual use of any of those is a challenge to me IMO




Green tea is very nice, but I highly recommend switching to white tea instead. Organic white tea is the best tea in my opinion. It is basically baby green tea, and is even healthier with a better taste.



Dont think I have ever tried white tea. Sounds like i wil give it a try
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This is a great thread. I think however, that you can completely remove supplements from it. I feel that supplements detract from the odies natural state of functioning




I respect your opinion but my own research and experience shows that certain supplements are of enormous value.




haha fair enough. I guess thats the beauty of it, we dont have to agree. We can agree to disagree


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    #18625036 - 07/28/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
Thank you for reminding me, I forgot to mention that Yerba Mate is a very healthy drink which contains most of the nutrients needed to sustain human health.

I also forgot to mention goji berries, which are powerful medicinal fruit, and acai berries, which are a premium natural antioxidant.

And yes it tastes like hot chocolate, actually it IS hot chocolate, real authentic hot chocolate, and it does wonders for your health and taste buds, as well as being relaxing and euphoric.




I've never actually tried YM, but I've heard a lot of good things about it (some from you I'm sure!) so I thought I'd mention it.  Pretty easy to buy on the internet yea?

But I'm totally giving the hot chocolate a go sometime.  Can all those things be found at a normal grocery store like Target?  I could stop drinking coffee and energy drinks etc which I'm not super fond of in the first place, and enjoy a nice chocolate drink instead!




You may not be able to find raw organic unprocessed cacao at a regular grocery store, they typically only carry processed coco which is not at all the same thing and is of very limited health value. You will probably need to go to a health food store to find raw unprocessed organic cacao. You can probably find unpasteurized honey and virgin coconut oil at a grocery store though. Note that you want unpasteurized honey, not pasteurized honey.




Cool, thanks :smile:

I've never been to a health food store before lol.  There's a couple scattered around in the towns around me though, I'll have to make a special list sometime and search for some of these things.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: extreme]
    #18629550 - 07/29/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Progress report:

Starting to notice significant increase in muscle mass and definition
Little or no depression, overall stable and positive mood
Waking up earlier in the day, sleeping well, lots of energy, being productive.
Quit drinking alcohol and smoking weed with no cravings.
Yoga practice is becoming much stronger and very joyful.
Cognitive performance continues to Improve, I continue to beat my top scores on lumosity occasionally.
Dream recall is excellent.
I seem to require less sleep now.
I no longer seem to have the desire to play video games and no longer do.
Anxiety has reduced substantially, I am more social, have not had any panic attacks , am less afraid to speak up or stand up for myself, and have lost my irrational fear of heart attacks.
My balance has improved significantly and I can now do all the balancing yoga postures I struggled with , although only not in the full expressions.
I experience much less lust and masturbate less often .
I am less prone to get thrown into a funk by small problems and have more equanimity .
My mind feels clearer and I am less lethargic and groggy.
I am becoming more assertive and ambitious in my career.
I feel a general sense of confidence in my self and my abilities.
My social anxiety is greatly reduced.

Struggles:

I am not having as many lucid dreams as I would like or expect, they are still few and far between.
I am still not meditating as regularly as I should be.
I still masturbate occasionally.
I have not gained as much weight as I hoped to , if any.
Most of My lumosity scores are still Low, particularly my memory scores are abysmal, although my flexibility scores are very high.
My memory generally is weak when it comes to things like remembering what I did yesterday.

Things I have noticed:

Yoga does wonders for my self-esteem.
SAMe does wonders for my mood.
Not drinking alcohol is well worth it, and I now feel really toxic if I drink it.
Not smoking weed has benefits such as a clearer mind and less anxiety.
Creatine really works to improve athletic performance and muscle definition.

Taking a 3-5 day break between use of gabaergic drugs seems to be sufficient to prevent dependence and avoid withdrawal.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18629620 - 07/29/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Struggles:

My memory generally is weak when it comes to things like remembering what I did yesterday.





Do you keep a journal?  Might help you with your memory, and just your overall ability to organize your thoughts.


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    #18629644 - 07/29/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the advice. I do keep a journal in which I record my dreams from the night, and any productive tasks that I accomplish that day, like a checklist of tasks I do, and I record my workouts, but not the details of the days events or my thoughts and feelings.

I think my memory has been weakened partly through long term marijuana use. I actually have an excellent memory for academic facts, theories, interesting things I have read etc, but a terrible memory for things like birthdays, phone numbers, what I did yesterday or when a certain event happened or where I left my keys etc.

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    #18631005 - 07/29/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Progress report:

Starting to notice significant increase in muscle mass and definition
Little or no depression, overall stable and positive mood
Waking up earlier in the day, sleeping well, lots of energy, being productive.
Quit drinking alcohol and smoking weed with no cravings.
Yoga practice is becoming much stronger and very joyful.
Cognitive performance continues to Improve, I continue to beat my top scores on lumosity occasionally.
Dream recall is excellent.
I seem to require less sleep now.
I no longer seem to have the desire to play video games and no longer do.
Anxiety has reduced substantially, I am more social, have not had any panic attacks , am less afraid to speak up or stand up for myself, and have lost my irrational fear of heart attacks.
My balance has improved significantly and I can now do all the balancing yoga postures I struggled with , although only not in the full expressions.
I experience much less lust and masturbate less often .
I am less prone to get thrown into a funk by small problems and have more equanimity .
My mind feels clearer and I am less lethargic and groggy.
I am becoming more assertive and ambitious in my career.
I feel a general sense of confidence in my self and my abilities.
My social anxiety is greatly reduced.

Struggles:

I am not having as many lucid dreams as I would like or expect, they are still few and far between.
I am still not meditating as regularly as I should be.
I still masturbate occasionally.
I have not gained as much weight as I hoped to , if any.
Most of My lumosity scores are still Low, particularly my memory scores are abysmal, although my flexibility scores are very high.
My memory generally is weak when it comes to things like remembering what I did yesterday.

Things I have noticed:

Yoga does wonders for my self-esteem.
SAMe does wonders for my mood.
Not drinking alcohol is well worth it, and I now feel really toxic if I drink it.
Not smoking weed has benefits such as a clearer mind and less anxiety.
Creatine really works to improve athletic performance and muscle definition.

Taking a 3-5 day break between use of gabaergic drugs seems to be sufficient to prevent dependence and avoid withdrawal.




How long ago did you quit weed? residual THC might be in your system. Why exactly did you quit weed? (you stated your reason for quitting weed somewhere on this forum but I cant seem to remember

And have you had any problems with drug abuse? Your behavior and habits seem to be conducive to positive effects. I am surprised that anything negative is reported

Also, noopept seems to lessen dreams for me personally. All the racetams do as well. If I take melatonin along with racetams, I get tons of lucid dreaming. But on its own, not really


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    #18631019 - 07/29/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Also, this is off topic. I dont think pot use has any long term effects. Smoking weed daily has me in a state of lower memory. But once I quit, that goes away quickly


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    #18631649 - 07/29/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I think my memory has been weakened partly through long term marijuana use. I actually have an excellent memory for academic facts, theories, interesting things I have read etc, but a terrible memory for things like birthdays, phone numbers, what I did yesterday or when a certain event happened or where I left my keys etc.





Honestly, I don't think anyone can remember any of that stuff anymore, your computer/phone can do it all for you with a calendar, address book, reminders/notes.

Being unable to remember what you did yesterday is a bit more troubling to me though, do you feel that your days are basically uneventful or were they rich with new impressions and and you just don't remember them?  I spent over a decade smoking no less than $350  of cannabis a month and I could probably talk for 5hrs about what I did yesterday without running out of things to say, but that's because so much happened.  If it was all the SSDD I probably wouldn't remember either.


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    #18631968 - 07/29/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Good food and hot chocolate  :justcantwait:


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    #18631976 - 07/29/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

"How long ago did you quit weed? residual THC might be in your system. Why exactly did you quit weed? (you stated your reason for quitting weed somewhere on this forum but I cant seem to remember"

I have basically not smoked any weed for a week or two, which is a long time for me because I was an all day every day smoker for a decade. I quit basically to save money, and to prove that I could, and as an experiment to see what it is like not being high all the time. I still love weed and recognize that it has many medicinal benefits and very few risks. I dont plan on quitting permanently, just taking a long break and then cutting down my use a lot, maybe save it for social occasions or spiritual rituals.

I definitely still have lots of THC in my system because it lingers for months in the fat cells , especially after a decade of heavy use.

"And have you had any problems with drug abuse? "

Not really, except for smoking weed all the time, which never really caused me any problems except for financial costs and occasional anxiety. I also drank too much for a time, not alcoholic or extreme but daily beer drinking, more then was healthy.

"Your behavior and habits seem to be conducive to positive effects. I am surprised that anything negative is reported"

Yes I dont think I am getting any negative effects from project mastermind, just that I still have some way to go in making the progress I want to make in some areas.

According to the lumosity brain power index metrics my memory is terrible, my problem solving is very bad, my attention and speed are average and my flexibility is extremely high, so I still have a lot of improving to do.

"Also, noopept seems to lessen dreams for me personally. All the racetams do as well. If I take melatonin along with racetams, I get tons of lucid dreaming. But on its own, not really"

Interesting, I didnt know that nootropics reduced dreaming. I do take melatonin at night, hopefully that will help.


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    #18632004 - 07/29/13 11:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

"Being unable to remember what you did yesterday is a bit more troubling to me though, do you feel that your days are basically uneventful or were they rich with new impressions and and you just don't remember them?  "

I am not sure, its quite strange really, sometimes I try to remember the previous day and draw a complete blank. It could be because my days are all quite similar usually, go to yoga, go to work, come home, go to bed, so maybe thats the reason, or maybe its marijuana related, or maybe something else.

In any case I am using nootropics and lumosity brain training so hopefully that will help the issue over time.

My memory scores on lumosity are extremely low, so obviously my brain has a weak memory. That said I have an incredibly strong memory when it comes to academics, school material, research, and any topic that interests me, so its not my whole memory that is bad just some parts or aspects of it.


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    #18632118 - 07/30/13 12:05 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Good to hear Moonshoe I hope the weed break gives you what you need, I think the perspective change will be helpful, and when you come back to it you will probable have an enhanced appreciation of the effect.
I was listing to McKenna the other day he talked ago taking breaks then coming back to it once its out of the system and ingesting large amounts to bring on the full effect for more introspective work.

Did the doc ever figure out what the side pain was?
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    #18632140 - 07/30/13 12:17 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for asking!

The side pain went away on its own. I did go in to see a doctor and he pressed on my liver a bunch of times and told me it felt healthy, it was not swollen or hard and that in his opinion it was nothing serious, and it hasnt been bothering me since so I have forgot about it, it was probably just gas, a cramp, indigestion or constipation, something simple like that.

Its a good point, I have not done the DMT yet!

I am not quite ready yet, but almost. I need to finish my final thesis revisions before I can do that just so I have a clear mind. I am going to have them all finished by august 1st, so maybe some time after that. I would like to maybe wait another week or two without drinking or smoking pot, and make sure I meditate every day for the week leading up. So after I finish my thesis revisions, abstain from smoking and drinking for one full week, and meditate every day for a week, I will do my first DMT trip of the project!

Thanks for reminding me.

I am excited about that. I want to make sure I am fully prepared though, and I am not quite there yet.

It will give me more motivation not to miss meditations though, to prepare.

I also have salvia 20x extract, which I might try for another psychedelic trip, but probably the DMT first, then another week or two no weed or alcohol and meditating, then salvia perhaps.


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    #18632346 - 07/30/13 02:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Well that's good news about the pain.

Salvia :mindblown: Cut me up into seemingly infinite slices that span an eternity within a slice of time and repeat on and on and on, for whatever the quality of the moment to moment experience is ripples into eternity. I had many many experiences with this plant from the divine to the scary, the divine can be the scary because you might want to stay human. Its seams it will never end and with every encounter I thought it might not, it is that intense. My practice with this plant was about 10 or 11 years ago and im still sitting on a lot of it close to an oz. I rarely ever touch it, only every couple years. It is so intense and the smallest amount now brings things back, It seams to have a reverse tolerance that stays like a psychological imprint. It bugs me that it seamed to come from obscurity and there was no teachings besides a few set and setting guidelines.
The oscillation of this song always brings about the feeling of the expansive repeating slices.
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    #18633710 - 07/30/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, I have only had partial experiences with salvia, never a full breakthrough. I personally am hesitant to use it, I find it more "frightening" than DMT, but am determined to use it to full breakthrough eventually, but will probably start with DMT first. Thanks for sharing your experience with it.


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    #18668332 - 08/06/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I've been doing something very similar to this project for a while
and I just wanted to say I really appreciate you making this thread
and am very grateful for all of the information provided by you and by others.
It has acted as a sort of catalyst for me on my own path.

Still have a long way to go
and a lot of improvement to do
before I come near my ideal routine,
but this thread has helped to motivate me
and has provided many more options and ideas.

I only wish Lumosity was totally free...
$80/year might not seem like a lot of money,
but for a poor college student it can be.
I have been doing the free training for a few days
and am surprised at my results/progress.
The games can be fun but I wish the free version had more variety.


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    #18668599 - 08/06/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yes you can so the free ones but 80 dollars a year is less than ten dollars a month and having paid for it can help motivate you to do the training . In my opinion it's worth while.


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    #18669279 - 08/06/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Have you guys seen a drastic change in ur day to day results from luminosity?


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    #18669330 - 08/06/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I've noticed noticeable improvements in my lumosity scores and day to day life . It's an incremental thing , the benefits build over time , like physical exercise you don't expect drastic results all at once, just steady improvement .


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    #18669533 - 08/06/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I've noticed noticeable improvements in my lumosity scores and day to day life . It's an incremental thing , the benefits build over time , like physical exercise you don't expect drastic results all at once, just steady improvement .



righhhttt

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    #18670428 - 08/06/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It makes perfect sense that training your brain at certain cognitive tasks will improve your brain's performance in those tasks , and that neurons will fire and rewire in the brain in the process, leading to gradual structural changes in the brain and steadily improving performance.

Nothing mystical about it, practice strengthens and improves the brain just like exercise strengthens and improves the body.


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    #18671289 - 08/06/13 11:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Lumosity doesn't make sense to me. Sure you can get better at their games, but if you play that card game where you have the cards face down and try to make pairs, remembering where each type of card is, after a while you will be better at remembering in that specific way and better at that game so will be able to play better. But will it actually work on your short and long term memory to the point where you will be able to remember university work, which is different to remembering pictures on a card, any better?

I can play FPS games all day to hone my reflexes. But do they necessarily translate to being able to react quicker in a situation in real life?

My point is you may be getting better at their games not because your brain is growing stronger as they claim (which can't really be tested) but because you're simply getting used to and better at their games.

Note: I haven't played lumosity.

Also this is a great thread. It was also one of the things which helped inspire me to make some changes in my life, so thanks for that. :thumbup:


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    #18672666 - 08/07/13 10:27 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Lumosity doesn't make sense to me. Sure you can get better at their games, but if you play that card game where you have the cards face down and try to make pairs, remembering where each type of card is, after a while you will be better at remembering in that specific way and better at that game so will be able to play better. But will it actually work on your short and long term memory to the point where you will be able to remember university work, which is different to remembering pictures on a card, any better?

I can play FPS games all day to hone my reflexes. But do they necessarily translate to being able to react quicker in a situation in real life?

My point is you may be getting better at their games not because your brain is growing stronger as they claim (which can't really be tested) but because you're simply getting used to and better at their games.

Note: I haven't played lumosity.

Also this is a great thread. It was also one of the things which helped inspire me to make some changes in my life, so thanks for that. :thumbup:




The lumosity memory games are randomly generated each time, the puzzles are never the same twice, so you are not just remembering where each type of card is (thats not quite how the game works anyways) because its in a different place each time. You cant just remember exactly how it goes because it is different every time.

FPS games have been proven to actually improve visual processing, spacial awareness and reaction time in real life, scientifically yes, FPS games do have a real life cognitive benefit.

Also they absolutely can test that your brain is growing stronger as they claim, and they have tested it, quite extensively, in numerous highly prestigious, well designed and peer reviewed scientific trials, done at places such as Harvard and Stanford- skepticism aside, lumosity has been scientifically designed and very heavily scientifically tested and the results are conclusive- from a neuroscience point of view, they do what they are supoosed to do.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18672703 - 08/07/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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What is Project Mastermind?

Namaste.




I think living a clean lifestyle is important before tripping if you want the spiritual experience, like you say

At least that is what worked for me, after some years when I started smoking weed it stopped being spiritual in a good way, my thoughts got distracted
Have since stopped weed completely

Before that there would be eyes everywhere and messages almost everytime
which I learned a lot from, always at the right time it seems

It happened both on LSD and Mushrooms

Nature+psytrance + simple lifestyle up to tripping , that works good
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    #18672791 - 08/07/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yes I believe I need to stop smoking weed, I am finding it difficult however, my top priority is not to drink alcohol which I have not had trouble with, but weed seems to be a deeper behavioral pattern for me, I think because it has none of the harsh side effects alcohol does it makes it harder to remember why I want to quit (no headaches, liver pains or hangovers to push the point).


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    #18672833 - 08/07/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Try smoking one day

Then next day ask yourself if smoking made you happy


for me I found out I got more problems next day each time
and less happy, and mind+body felt worse than before

but each has a different response, weed has been used by many people for spiritual reasons I think
we just need to decide for ourselves, always

my life situation didn't support everyday weed use
it made lucid dreaming impossible when I smoked weed

they have gotten better after I quit it, and I have gotten much more motivated in life since


psychedelics seem to make me happy next day and many days after, indefinitely it seems
but not weed for me unfortunately

always ask yourself when you feel happy/unhappy
if unhappy you must be doing something wrong
if you feel happy all the time even when not using drugs, you're doing right :-)
keep doing what brings happiness, inner self is never wrong

edit:
not sure if you talked about everyday use actually (I'm leaving now so was quick post:-)
I guess weed is no worse than booze or psychedelics if used in moderation
moderation is -key- with any spiritual discipline I think :-)
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    #18673060 - 08/07/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Herb always scratched an itch in my brain that nothing else got 2. Still had to give it up though.
Can't let something like weed hold you back right now bro.
It will always be there if needed, its not like your missing out but you may be passing opportunities if don't chill on it.
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    #18673155 - 08/07/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Huge difference between attachment-generating use (indulge-ing) and non-suchly use. That feeling of sweet demonic chocolate cake, that is your enemy. Yet still a signal just like pain. More so, that which causes that feeling is your enemy.


Then you have semi-permanent neural networking to account for. The same circuits that let you hop on a bike and ride off into the sunset after never having touched a bike for 50 years, such circuits will be something to overcome.



The method for overcoming such attachments must intrinsically encompass all of this. To the point you can light one up, and know this really is, just one.

To do this you must eliminate all factors that stand to bind you to the objects of inhalation. Social connection. Giving yourself 5 minutes to move away from others and relax. Aggressive response to trauma becoming then a long-term suicide wish. Insta-dopamine.


Before you start smoking you have one single hole to fill. Which could have been filled with food, but you chose smoke.

Now you smoke, you have that same old hole to fill. And a zillion small perforations to deal with. And some of the perforations, you have dug your heels into them so hard that they almost replace the solid earth further below as your source of rest.


Sigh...




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    #18673622 - 08/07/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You sound dark today crkhd :sunny:

Was that at me, moonshoe or just in general?
Dude says he needs to stop smoking weed, simple!
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    #18674540 - 08/07/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I just want to go ahead and say three things:
Smoked weed and vaped weed are a tad different

The weed we smoke is much different than that of our grandparents and difference in potencies

The weed we smoke has a higher THC content and thus a more lethargic, paranoid, psychotic effect. I posted a thread about this and did HEAVY research in this. The problem with what I am saying is that there is no solution to this problem. The higher the THC of a plant, the more its value. Thus weed will slowly get quality of a high and more profitable as time goes

Also, I quit smoking weed cmpletely. It makes a huge difference to switch to vaping. Smoked weed enhances lethargy and haziness. It is nice every once in a while. But more than once a week will start to build a "fog". Nowdays I vape 2 weeknights a week and 1-2 large sessions on the weekend. Much less haze, and much more clairty. I put it on a very low setting. Munchies are still there but less. Mental fog is still there but less. Still a somewhat pricey habit to have, but less.

The third and last factor to consider is that weed back then was something lik 3% potency by wieght. These days, our weed is something like 15% and I have seen even 25% at some premium medical dispensaries.

In conclusion, the weed we smoke is a much different drug entirely. Ideally, Iwould like to grow my own bud that contians the natural ratio of 50% THC and 50% CBD (half/half of the total potency) and also organic growing methods. On top of that I would like to only vape it.Until then I will vape about 3 times a week and occasionally trip balls on the weekends. Otherwise I would say I am sober

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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18674582 - 08/07/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

lolwut said:
Lumosity doesn't make sense to me. Sure you can get better at their games, but if you play that card game where you have the cards face down and try to make pairs, remembering where each type of card is, after a while you will be better at remembering in that specific way and better at that game so will be able to play better. But will it actually work on your short and long term memory to the point where you will be able to remember university work, which is different to remembering pictures on a card, any better?

I can play FPS games all day to hone my reflexes. But do they necessarily translate to being able to react quicker in a situation in real life?

My point is you may be getting better at their games not because your brain is growing stronger as they claim (which can't really be tested) but because you're simply getting used to and better at their games.

Note: I haven't played lumosity.

Also this is a great thread. It was also one of the things which helped inspire me to make some changes in my life, so thanks for that. :thumbup:




The lumosity memory games are randomly generated each time, the puzzles are never the same twice, so you are not just remembering where each type of card is (thats not quite how the game works anyways) because its in a different place each time. You cant just remember exactly how it goes because it is different every time.

FPS games have been proven to actually improve visual processing, spacial awareness and reaction time in real life, scientifically yes, FPS games do have a real life cognitive benefit.

Also they absolutely can test that your brain is growing stronger as they claim, and they have tested it, quite extensively, in numerous highly prestigious, well designed and peer reviewed scientific trials, done at places such as Harvard and Stanford- skepticism aside, lumosity has been scientifically designed and very heavily scientifically tested and the results are conclusive- from a neuroscience point of view, they do what they are supoosed to do.




I knew about FPS games, I don't really know why I chose that example. Bad debating by me but you got my point in the end.

Thanks for explaining though you have got me interested. I'm gonna pirate Lumosity and check it all out after reading into it a little bit. I can see how it could work but I can also see how it could be an untestable scam.


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    #18674604 - 08/07/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

OK I have 32 Lumosity games. Have checked out a couple and I can see how this really could work, because I remembered some exorcises in primary school I used to use in class and at home to get smarter and these are similar.

The only thing I'm missing is how to log and note my progress. I guess I could graph it all, but even then I'm not sure of which games to be playing etc. I would love if I could log on to your account and check out how they recommend games to play and how they sort the information and progress etc so I can program or figure out a way to do it for myself. Or you could explain it to me. Would be great


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    #18720216 - 08/17/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I've been using FitBrains Trainer more than Lumosity. I do daily training with both, but with full access FitBrains shows you your progress with a chart that tracks your history, and your scores are compared with others to show you the percentage you scored higher than.

I'm not sure what kind of statistics etc. you get for full access with Lumosity, so I don't know how they really compare. But I thought I'd forward that info.

I recently decided to upgrade to the full program on my phone because it was like $25 for lifetime access. A bit less expensive than Lumosity.

Only problem I see is that, although it tells you how you compare, it doesn't give any information about how many people are using the program, so the statistics could be misleading.

My scores have been going up every day that I've been playing... sometimes dramatically so. However, I think I've now hit kind of a plateau and can't really score much higher.


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    #18720239 - 08/17/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I've been using FitBrains Trainer more than Lumosity. I do daily training with both, but with full access FitBrains shows you your progress with a chart that tracks your history, and your scores are compared with others to show you the percentage you scored higher than.

I'm not sure what kind of statistics etc. you get for full access with Lumosity, so I don't know how they really compare. But I thought I'd forward that info.

I recently decided to upgrade to the full program on my phone because it was like $25 for lifetime access. A bit less expensive than Lumosity.

Only problem I see is that, although it tells you how you compare, it doesn't give any information about how many people are using the program, so the statistics could be misleading.

My scores have been going up every day that I've been playing... sometimes dramatically so. However, I think I've now hit kind of a plateau and can't really score much higher.




Thanks for the tip. I will check out fitbrains trainer.

Lumosity also tracks your progress and history and also allows you to compare your results to other people.

If you have hit a plateau maybe you should try nootropics like piracetam, citicoline, ginseng, ginko and noopept.


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    #18720325 - 08/17/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I do enjoy the games Lumosity has as well, and I'm thinking I'll probably end up buying full access to Lumosity in the near future as well.

Recently I actually have taken piracetam and choline bitartrate (1.6g / .75g) daily for at least a week but started getting headaches which I'm assuming had something to do with that because I've read that headaches can be a side effect for some people. I don't know what else could have caused them.
So I am taking a few days off. I need to do some more experimentation with dosage.

I am also considering experimentation with other nootropics. I do still have a large amount of aniracetam, but I've been looking into the others you and other folks have recommended as well.

Part of the reason why I've hit a plateau is that I literally cannot score much higher. But I'm confident that I will keep improving, if just a bit slower.

I have been doing some major cleaning/re-organization lately and have felt much more efficient and awake. I feel like that can partly be attributed to the focus that the brain games have helped me achieve, as well as the supplements I've been consuming.


Recently I was thinking about this thread again and wondered about what else might someone want to include in an ideal routine such as this.
Somehow polyphasic sleep bubbled up out of my brain. The idea really appeals to me.

Does anyone here have any personal experience trying different sleep cycles?
I'd really like to try either the "Dymaxion" or "Uberman" cycles, but it seems like you would have to really plan your day around your naps and be rigorous about it.
It seems like the transition to a different sleep cycle could be rough.


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    #18720738 - 08/17/13 09:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Try taking more choline or u cud take less piracetam (i personally find pracetam fucks up my
Sleep if i take tpo much) to avoid headaches


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    #18742015 - 08/22/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.ehow.com/how_2330888_do-superbrain-yoga.html

Apparently this quit literally increases intelligence. It is supposed to be something on a whole new level

Just an option for those who dont have time for a full yoga session


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    #18742191 - 08/22/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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http://www.ehow.com/how_2330888_do-superbrain-yoga.html

Apparently this quit literally increases intelligence. It is supposed to be something on a whole new level

Just an option for those who dont have time for a full yoga session




Thank you for that suggestion. I will try that out.

I will add that I have been taking one tablet of norwegian kelp daily. It is a natural source of Iodine and stimulates thyroid function. Supposedly my thyroid is borderline underactive and my doctor recommended synthetic thyroid hormones. I am not keen on that so instead I am taking norwegian kelp as a natural alternative.

Norwegian kelp also helps protect against radiation exposure, and being sourced in the North Atlantic it is probably not contaminated with radiation from Fukushima. I would not eat kelp or seaweed products sourced from the pacific at this point.

If I could make only one single recommendation for those who find there are way too many supplements suggested in this thread to manage it would be this:

Buy a package of raw, organic, unprocessed cacao. Not dutch processed or processed in anyway. Not coco, but Cacao.

Drink at least one mug of this (1tsp-1 heaping tablespoon depending on taste) with hot, not boiling reverse osmosis or distilled water. Then add one teaspoon of organic coconut oil, and if desired one teaspoon of unpasteurized honey. Stir and enjoy.

It is delicious and has enormous health benefits. Its a vasodilator, its rich in incredibly important magnesium, its jam packed with antioxidants, its psychoactive and induces relaxation, energy and euphoria. Studies show that high consumption of Cacao is associated with a decrease in all cause mortality of as high as fifty percent!

I also strongly advise everyone to buy a bottle of potassium iodide tincture. They are very cheap and available at any safeway, superstore, walmart, shoppers drug mart etc. Each morning paint a patch of iodine on your skin (you can do it on your abdomen so its not visible under your shirt) about the size of a quarter or Canadian dollar.

This will allow your body to absorb as much iodine as it needs, and this will stimulate thyroid health and protect your thyroid from radiation exposure. Ample Iodine levels in the body will also reduce how much flouride your body absorbs from tap water, which is a good thing. Nevertheless I highly advise against drinking tap water if you live in one of the small number of nations that still practices water flouridation. Less than 5% of the world's population flouridates their water, and Israel was one of the last nations that did so. They have now announced that they will stop flouridation by 2014, and moreover they are suing the corporation that provided the flouride because they have finally realized that the kind of flouride being used is hexaflourosilic acid, which is toxic industrial waste.

The same kind of highly toxic industrial waste is still added to canadian tap water. This is not natural calcium flouride, nor even dental grade sodium flouride (which you still should never ingest), this is hexaflourosilic acid, and it is literally extracted from the toxic waste filters at factory outputs and put directly into municipal drinking water.


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    #18747311 - 08/23/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

thanks forthe iodide tip

also I have been experimenting with white tea. Good shit

And could you link me to the cocoa study if you can find it?

Also, I see you posting about l-theanine on WCA. Could you expand on what exactly l-theanine feels like/does for you?

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    #18747439 - 08/23/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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thanks forthe iodide tip

also I have been experimenting with white tea. Good shit

And could you link me to the cocoa study if you can find it?

Also, I see you posting about l-theanine on WCA. Could you expand on what exactly l-theanine feels like/does for you?

i know its in green tea. Is it a "drug"? Or is it a mild relaxant?




You can find the cacao article on Wikipedia I think I can post it for you later on my iPhone right now.

I just bought a new bottle of l theanine just now and ate 600 mg.  l theanine is a psychoactive extract of green tea that has a relaxing, anxiolytic effect. It actually ilinduces the same kind of brain waves people enter when meditating , so it is a meditative enhancer and a stress reliever and it's totally safe even on huge doses. It can be had in delicious chewable fast acting candies. I buy suntheanine brand.

I am on a stress relax cocktail right now of kava, l theanine and Valerian. Ill post with the results but I feel better already.


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    #18747500 - 08/23/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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thanks forthe iodide tip

also I have been experimenting with white tea. Good shit

And could you link me to the cocoa study if you can find it?

Also, I see you posting about l-theanine on WCA. Could you expand on what exactly l-theanine feels like/does for you?

i know its in green tea. Is it a "drug"? Or is it a mild relaxant?




You can find the cacao article on Wikipedia I think I can post it for you later on my iPhone right now.

I just bought a new bottle of l theanine just now and ate 600 mg.  l theanine is a psychoactive extract of green tea that has a relaxing, anxiolytic effect. It actually ilinduces the same kind of brain waves people enter when meditating , so it is a meditative enhancer and a stress reliever and it's totally safe even on huge doses. It can be had in delicious chewable fast acting candies. I buy suntheanine brand.

I am on a stress relax cocktail right now of kava, l theanine and Valerian. Ill post with the results but I feel better already.



Wow. Sounds like some good stuff. I am going to pickup a bottle at my local store


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    #18747582 - 08/23/13 02:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm sold

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It can be had in delicious chewable fast acting candies. I buy suntheanine brand.













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    #18747792 - 08/23/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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thanks forthe iodide tip

also I have been experimenting with white tea. Good shit

And could you link me to the cocoa study if you can find it?

Also, I see you posting about l-theanine on WCA. Could you expand on what exactly l-theanine feels like/does for you?

i know its in green tea. Is it a "drug"? Or is it a mild relaxant?




You can find the cacao article on Wikipedia I think I can post it for you later on my iPhone right now.

I just bought a new bottle of l theanine just now and ate 600 mg.  l theanine is a psychoactive extract of green tea that has a relaxing, anxiolytic effect. It actually ilinduces the same kind of brain waves people enter when meditating , so it is a meditative enhancer and a stress reliever and it's totally safe even on huge doses. It can be had in delicious chewable fast acting candies. I buy suntheanine brand.

I am on a stress relax cocktail right now of kava, l theanine and Valerian. Ill post with the results but I feel better already.




Also, do you happen to know of any other meditative enhancers? smoked weed fucks up my clarity for meditation. Vaped ehances. Kratom enhances

Kava and every other hard drug negates. And psyches (i have yet to try meditating whilst on it) ehance. Apparently now, l theanine enhances


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    #18747821 - 08/23/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Kava and every other hard drug negates. And psyches (i have yet to try meditating whilst on it) ehance. Apparently now, l theanine enhances




That's what I like about psyches...they only e-hance. 'cause when the effects are only felt electronically, you can do whatever the f:rasta:ck you want.


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    #18748061 - 08/23/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

try salvia

works for me, weed does no good for me for meditation/awareness in daily life
salvia works as good as other psychs it seems, but can be smoked

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    #18748106 - 08/23/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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topdog82 said:
thanks forthe iodide tip

also I have been experimenting with white tea. Good shit

And could you link me to the cocoa study if you can find it?

Also, I see you posting about l-theanine on WCA. Could you expand on what exactly l-theanine feels like/does for you?

i know its in green tea. Is it a "drug"? Or is it a mild relaxant?




You can find the cacao article on Wikipedia I think I can post it for you later on my iPhone right now.

I just bought a new bottle of l theanine just now and ate 600 mg.  l theanine is a psychoactive extract of green tea that has a relaxing, anxiolytic effect. It actually ilinduces the same kind of brain waves people enter when meditating , so it is a meditative enhancer and a stress reliever and it's totally safe even on huge doses. It can be had in delicious chewable fast acting candies. I buy suntheanine brand.

I am on a stress relax cocktail right now of kava, l theanine and Valerian. Ill post with the results but I feel better already.




Also, do you happen to know of any other meditative enhancers? smoked weed fucks up my clarity for meditation. Vaped ehances. Kratom enhances

Kava and every other hard drug negates. And psyches (i have yet to try meditating whilst on it) ehance. Apparently now, l theanine enhances




I would say l-theanine, organic white tea and raw cacao with coconut oil and hot reverse osmosis water are all good meditation enhances. I have had some success with blue lotus for this purpose. Ketamine meditation is profound but only on a very occasional basis. I personally like vaped weed and meditation. You might also use valerian root if anxiety is preventing your meditation.

L theanine is a great choice before meditation though, along with a cup of white tea would be perfect.


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    #18751168 - 08/24/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
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topdog82 said:
thanks forthe iodide tip

also I have been experimenting with white tea. Good shit

And could you link me to the cocoa study if you can find it?

Also, I see you posting about l-theanine on WCA. Could you expand on what exactly l-theanine feels like/does for you?

i know its in green tea. Is it a "drug"? Or is it a mild relaxant?




You can find the cacao article on Wikipedia I think I can post it for you later on my iPhone right now.

I just bought a new bottle of l theanine just now and ate 600 mg.  l theanine is a psychoactive extract of green tea that has a relaxing, anxiolytic effect. It actually ilinduces the same kind of brain waves people enter when meditating , so it is a meditative enhancer and a stress reliever and it's totally safe even on huge doses. It can be had in delicious chewable fast acting candies. I buy suntheanine brand.

I am on a stress relax cocktail right now of kava, l theanine and Valerian. Ill post with the results but I feel better already.




Also, do you happen to know of any other meditative enhancers? smoked weed fucks up my clarity for meditation. Vaped ehances. Kratom enhances

Kava and every other hard drug negates. And psyches (i have yet to try meditating whilst on it) ehance. Apparently now, l theanine enhances




I would say l-theanine, organic white tea and raw cacao with coconut oil and hot reverse osmosis water are all good meditation enhances. I have had some success with blue lotus for this purpose. Ketamine meditation is profound but only on a very occasional basis. I personally like vaped weed and meditation. You might also use valerian root if anxiety is preventing your meditation.

L theanine is a great choice before meditation though, along with a cup of white tea would be perfect.



Ok, thanks for the tips once again!


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    #18751647 - 08/24/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You are most welcome!

Namaste.

:levitate:

Right now I am making my goal a bit simpler - 1 hour of yoga each day, and 30 minutes of meditation (chanting om 108 times on a Mala ) each day for 30 consecutive days while not drinking alcohol or smoking weed. I recommend this as a mini-version of project mastermind for anyone who finds the full program overwhelming.


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    #18751978 - 08/24/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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You are most welcome!

Namaste.

:levitate:

Right now I am making my goal a bit simpler - 1 hour of yoga each day, and 30 minutes of meditation (chanting om 108 times on a Mala ) each day for 30 consecutive days while not drinking alcohol or smoking weed. I recommend this as a mini-version of project mastermind for anyone who finds the full program overwhelming.




I have been starting small and adding things on. Switching to eating vegatarian first. Then excercise daily. Then stop drinking. then stopped tobacco

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    #18752388 - 08/24/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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You are most welcome!

Namaste.

:levitate:

Right now I am making my goal a bit simpler - 1 hour of yoga each day, and 30 minutes of meditation (chanting om 108 times on a Mala ) each day for 30 consecutive days while not drinking alcohol or smoking weed. I recommend this as a mini-version of project mastermind for anyone who finds the full program overwhelming.




I have been starting small and adding things on. Switching to eating vegatarian first. Then excercise daily. Then stop drinking. then stopped tobacco

Cant even believe the person I am today compared to a year ago. All good changes!




That is fantastic! I am happy for you! Keep it up!

I recommend adding meditation to the daily routine and then you will really be on your way!


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    #18752484 - 08/24/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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You are most welcome!

Namaste.

:levitate:

Right now I am making my goal a bit simpler - 1 hour of yoga each day, and 30 minutes of meditation (chanting om 108 times on a Mala ) each day for 30 consecutive days while not drinking alcohol or smoking weed. I recommend this as a mini-version of project mastermind for anyone who finds the full program overwhelming.




I have been starting small and adding things on. Switching to eating vegatarian first. Then excercise daily. Then stop drinking. then stopped tobacco

Cant even believe the person I am today compared to a year ago. All good changes!




That is fantastic! I am happy for you! Keep it up!

I recommend adding meditation to the daily routine and then you will really be on your way!




Oh hell ya. That too. I have been doing 1 hour meditation daily. Does wonders. Imo it shud b taught in school like pe


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    #18752990 - 08/24/13 08:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I've been doing the exact opposite of this thread's recommendations--in the past month I've boozed it up, done countless hard drugs, snorted lines off strippers' tits, and in general conducted my lifestyle from the viewpoint of instant gratification and hedonistic excess.

In short, I am fulfilling my mission as a Bodhisattva by being an example to others of what NOT to do.  :grin: 



But seriously, Moonshoe, what do you think about the William Blake quote "the road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom"?  Maybe it's just my personality, but I've found that I end up wiser and learn more when I directly experience the consequences of my actions as opposed to someone telling me not to do something.  It can provide for harsh lessons sometimes, that's for sure, but I prefer the self-motivated adventure to living my life in fear and missing out on a possibly beneficial experience.  :shrug:


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    #18753029 - 08/24/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

My own life experience has taught me that self-control, wise choices, discernment, discretion and discipline lead to happiness, inner peace, satisfaction, achievement, accomplishment and progress, while hedonistic self-indulgence, excess, gluttony and unbridled drunkenness and lust lead to suffering, squalor, waste, pain to self and others, sin and bad karma, regret, illness, disease, disappointment and death, as well as wasted potential and spiritual ignorance.

The Buddha taught the middle way- not to starve oneself or torture oneself through excessive self denial, but not to indulge to excess either. The middle way means balance, neither too much denial nor too much indulgence.

This I think is wisdom.

The only value to the kind of activities you are describing is to notice the suffering and folly that they lead to in order to then realign your course and choose a wiser path.

I also had a period in my life where I was over indulgent , and I am very grateful that those days are behind me.

I believe that healthy living, disciplined practice and abstinence from wrongdoing leads to wisdom, happiness and fulfillment, and that indulgence of the kind you are describing leads to remorse, evil and a wasted life.

The problem is that it takes wisdom to even understand how unwise such actions are.

I strongly advise you to correct your course and align your life with dharma- the way of wisdom.

I am no saint, and I am not perfect, but to the extent that I have successfully left such activities as you describe behind me, my life has been made immeasurably better.


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    #18753090 - 08/24/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Wouldn't the Middle Way involve careful, disciplined practice the majority of the time--and yet still allow for one to blow off steam with more reckless activities every now and then?  As Oscar Wilde said, "everything in moderation, including moderation."

But more fundamentally, I feel like your recommended lifestyle is founded on the axiom that the longer one's life, the better it is--necessarily.  But I do not think this automatically true; it's about the quality of the life lived, and this can trump mere longevity, IMO.  Huxley sums it up better than I can:

Who lives longer?  The man who takes heroin for two years and dies, or a man who lives on roast beef, water and potatoes 'till 95?  One passes his 24 months in eternity.  All the years of the beefeater are lived only in time.

Perhaps a life of hedonistic excess will lead to a life that's shorter than one that's filled with strict adherence to rigid health routines and complete abstinence from anything even slightly toxic, but the former will be filled with more joie-de-vivre IMO, and in the end I'd rather look back on my death bed and regret having done something than regret not having done something.  :laugh:


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    #18753124 - 08/24/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The path I try to follow is about longevity, yes, but it is equally about self-improvement and the maximization of pleasure. It is my belief that living in the way that I have outlined in this thread leads to more pleasure, and less pain, then a life of hedonistic indulgence. My own experience has confirmed this.

I believe this lifestyle will allow one to live longer, yes, but also to be better, a more complete and rich expression of one's selfhood, and also to enjoy more peace, joy, serenity, tranquility, contentment, gratitude, calm, satisfaction, love, wonder, and self-fulfillment.

I do not see a place in my life for even occasional nights of excess.

Each person must find their own path and follow their own hearts. You have to live the life you choose for yourself.

But for my own path, I have tried to leave such pursuits behind me, and I have not regretted it.

The Buddha was explicit that one should abstain entirely from alcohol. I personally think an occasional glass of wine or bottle of beer is acceptable if one so chooses.

Drugs like heroin, meth, cocaine, crack, tobacco, APVP, MDPV etc I completely renounce.


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    #18753174 - 08/24/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I do not see a place in my life for even occasional nights of excess.




Why not, out of curiosity?  You don't think it's beneficial to let off a little steam every once in a while?  From the neuroscientific perspective, it might actually be better off for people to do so IMO--some studies have concluded that willpower is more of a finite resource that gets depleted over time with the constant actions of resisting cravings, so giving in to more harmless cravings one Friday night out of a month might enable the replenishment of one's willpower and the ability to resist more important harmful desires in the future.  From the link above:

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But there are ways to wield what scientists know about willpower to our advantage. Since it’s a finite resource, don’t spread yourself thin: Make one resolution rather than many. And if you manage to stick with it by, say, not smoking for a week, give your willpower a rest by indulging in a nice dinner. Another tactic is to outsource self-control. Get a gym buddy. Use Mint.com to regulate your spending or RescueTime.com to avoid distracting websites. As Tierney explains, “People with the best self-control aren’t the ones who use it all day long. They’re people who structure their lives so they conserve it.” That way, you’ll be able to stockpile vast reserves for when you really need it, like hauling your lazy ass to the gym.




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The Buddha was explicit that one should abstain entirely from alcohol.




Do you have a source for this?  Apologies if I missed it if you already posted it.  If this were true, I'm curious why so many Buddhists find the use of alcohol acceptable to a degree, as I cite in this post.

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Drugs like heroin, meth, cocaine, crack, tobacco, APVP, MDPV etc I completely renounce.




Constant, addictive use of these is undoubtedly harmful, I agree, but my original reason for trying them was simple curiosity: the burning desire to experience everything this life has to offer.  In another sense they can provide a test of sorts; experiencing their powerful pull and learning how to cope with cravings can lead to a much increased understanding of one's mind, and overcoming an addiction can produce a much stronger individual in the end.  Of course, it can also lead to death and/or ruination, but tests by fire usually come with dangerous consequences for failure.


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    #18753222 - 08/24/13 09:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I try to let off steam every day, however I do so by practicing yoga, working out, meditating, making love to my wife, getting a massage from my wife, going for a run or bike ride, or perhaps blasting off with DMT, instead of intoxicating myself with alcohol or some other toxic substance.

Buddhists follow five precepts at a minimum (lay Buddhists follow only the five, while monks follow many more). Those precepts are

1. I undertake to train myself not to harm or kill
2. I undertake to train myself not to take that which is not freely given
3. I undertake to train myself not to engage in sexual misconduct
4. I undertake to train myself not to engage in unwholesome speech
5. I undertake to train myself to abstain from intoxicating liquors (alcohol).

These five precepts were the guidelines given by the Buddha to his followers when they insisted that he do so.

Buddhists monks follow further precepts such as not sleeping in a raised bed, not wearing perfumes or jewelry, and not handling money, etc.

But any practicing Buddhist is asked to follow those five. As for why some Buddhists still drink, it is simply because they are still human, and occasionally fail to follow the precepts. As you can see from the wording of the precepts, it is not a "thou shalt not" as in Judaism/Christianity, rather it is an intention to train oneself.

As for willpower being a finite resource, I disagree. I think willpower is like a muscle, that grows strong when used and atrophies when not used. The more you indulge, the harder it is not to indulge in the future. Furthermore, drugs such as alcohol erode ones self control, so one drink leads to more. By contrast when one makes a habit of living wisely, it no longer requires willpower, it is simply ones lifestyle, you make a habit of it, it becomes natural and easy.

However, it is good to prioritize your goals and focus on the most important ones first, and you don't want to beat yourself up if you do make a mistake as beating yourself up doesn't help. You just try to correct your path.

Once you have experienced how good life is when you eat well, exercise daily and meditate regularly, it no longer requires willpower to maintain this lifestyle, because it is what you want to do, you crave meditation in the way an alcoholic craves a drink, you crave exercise like someone else might crave a donut.

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    #18753251 - 08/24/13 09:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Why do you think Buddha would be OK with someone influencing their mind and body with DMT but not with Alcohol?


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    #18753344 - 08/24/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Why do you think Buddha would be OK with someone influencing their mind and body with DMT but not with Alcohol?




Firstly because the Buddha specifically forbade alcohol , but said nothing about DMT or other psychedelics.

Second because alcohol is addictive, toxic, damaging to the body and brain, and tends to incite lust, anger, senselessness , violence and crudeness, while DMT has none of those negative qualities .

DMT is in my opinion a sacred, mind expanding, consciousness opening sacrament , related to the third eye chakra, granting access to the spiritual world , stimulating the pineal gland, a shamanic tool.

By contrast alcohol is a brain damaging addictive poison, which impairs the body and mind and leads one astray from morality and spirituality .

Furthermore the state of consciousness induced by DMT is very brief, lasting only perhaps 15 minutes , so it does not interfere with ones meditative practice.

Nevertheless I would only use DMT very rarely , perhaps four or five times a year or even only four or five times in ones lifetime . I myself have used it less than five times in my life.

But to repeat - the Buddha specifically prohibited the use of alcohol. On other matters, where he gave no specific instruction, the individual must use their own discretion .

Based on my own personal understanding, occasional DMT use is compatible with Dharma.


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    #18753391 - 08/24/13 10:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Buddhists follow five precepts at a minimum (lay Buddhists follow only the five, while monks follow many more). Those precepts are

1. I undertake to train myself not to harm or kill
2. I undertake to train myself not to take that which is not freely given
3. I undertake to train myself not to engage in sexual misconduct
4. I undertake to train myself not to engage in unwholesome speech
5. I undertake to train myself to abstain from intoxicating liquors (alcohol).

These five precepts were the guidelines given by the Buddha to his followers when they insisted that he do so.

Buddhists monks follow further precepts such as not sleeping in a raised bed, not wearing perfumes or jewelry, and not handling money, etc.

But any practicing Buddhist is asked to follow those five. As for why some Buddhists still drink, it is simply because they are still human, and occasionally fail to follow the precepts.




But it's not just a matter of failing to live up to the precepts!  The issue is a matter of definition, it seems like.  From my post I linked to earlier:

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Well, some Tibetan Buddhists and Bönpos, among others, nevertheless ingest small amounts of grain alcohol as occasional offerings as part of the ganachakra tsok ritual.  Drupon Thinley Ningpo Rinpoche, a renowned Vajrayana teacher, has said that although laypersons wishing to obey the five precepts upon taking refuge must refrain from taking intoxicants, they may still drink enough so as they do not become drunk.  It's the intoxication that is spiritually harmful, not the mere touch of a droplet of wine to the lips.  According to Lodro Rinzler, a practicing Buddhist and writer on Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche, who originally introduced Vajrayana teachings to the West and founded the first accredited Buddhist university in America, "the intent is not to get the monks wasted but to take what is seen as a poison and transform it into a tool for spaciousness.  Rinpoche attempted to lead his Vajrayana students in the West in what he referred to as 'mindful drinking,' with mixed results.  Some students engaged the practice to the point where they felt a loosening up on their ego and their dualistic sense of 'me' vs. 'the world.' Others threw up."  :rofldrunk:




So we have the view of some Buddhists that the fifth precept is solely against intoxication, not the mere act of drinking itself: consuming alcohol is fine if it's not done to the point of intoxication.  I like the philosophy of Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche in particular: to use alcohol for a purpose, namely gaining mindfulness and realizing the illusion of duality.  Can you cite a source that references that Buddha specifically forebade alcohol rather than intoxication?  I suspect he proscribed the latter rather than the former.

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As for willpower being a finite resource, I disagree. I think willpower is like a muscle, that grows strong when used and atrophies when not used.




The point of the neuroscience study I linked is that willpower does seem to be a finite resource that can get exhausted if used too much.  What you're talking about, I think, points more towards neuroplasticity and habit-forming: the reason it becomes easier to abstain from indulging over time is simply that you're making abstinence a habit; you're training your brain to naturally perform certain routines.  But still, like the doctor Tierney in the study said, "people with the best self-control aren't the ones who use it all day long. They're people who structure their lives so they conserve it."

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The more you indulge, the harder it is not to indulge in the future. Furthermore, drugs such as alcohol erode ones self control, so one drink leads to more.




Not necessarily--plenty of people out there are capable of drinking just a couple beers and then setting their glass down.  Alcoholics can be incapable of stopping at just one or two, sure, but the complete erosion of self control and destruction of free will you're implying alcohol necessarily carries with it just isn't there with most people.  At any rate, I'd rather be capable of drinking moderately and exercising self-control with how much I drink than the more fearful (IMO) tactic of avoiding it altogether, especially since teetotallers live shorter lives than moderate drinkers.  :drinklager:

If one is afraid of heights, should one solve the problem by shunning all tall buildings in the future and never flying in planes?  Or should one learn to cope with one's problem by learning to expose one's self to heights in moderation to overcome one's fear?  I am more impressed by a person who used to have a drinking problem and is now capable of stopping after two beers than by a person who used to have a drinking problem and now has to leave the room whenever other people are drinking because he can't control himself around it.  :sun:


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    #18753744 - 08/25/13 01:01 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Why do you think Buddha would be OK with someone influencing their mind and body with DMT but not with Alcohol?




Firstly because the Buddha specifically forbade alcohol , but said nothing about DMT or other psychedelics.

Second because alcohol is addictive, toxic, damaging to the body and brain, and tends to incite lust, anger, senselessness , violence and crudeness, while DMT has none of those negative qualities .

DMT is in my opinion a sacred, mind expanding, consciousness opening sacrament , related to the third eye chakra, granting access to the spiritual world , stimulating the pineal gland, a shamanic tool.

By contrast alcohol is a brain damaging addictive poison, which impairs the body and mind and leads one astray from morality and spirituality .

Furthermore the state of consciousness induced by DMT is very brief, lasting only perhaps 15 minutes , so it does not interfere with ones meditative practice.

Nevertheless I would only use DMT very rarely , perhaps four or five times a year or even only four or five times in ones lifetime . I myself have used it less than five times in my life.

But to repeat - the Buddha specifically prohibited the use of alcohol. On other matters, where he gave no specific instruction, the individual must use their own discretion .

Based on my own personal understanding, occasional DMT use is compatible with Dharma.




I used to think something similar about psychedelics - that they were some form of conciousness expanding or altering tool shamans use and could be called spiritual, and for this reason were outside of the Fifth Precept entirely.

However I did some research and found Monks and most practicing Buddhists who are relatively serious about it often interpret the Fifth as referring to any state of consciousness that is influenced by any type of chemical at all. Of course everyone draws the line at different points - some keep their mind and bodies clean of as much chemicals as possible down to caffeine. Some find room for psychedelics, alcohol, tobacco, weed...but the hardcore Buddhists stay as straight-edge as possible.

I vehemently disagree that DMT is free from altering your "meditative" conciousness. It can disrupt you to the point of spending years following the thought tracks or trying to understand what you saw on DMT, in influencing your sober state of mind it directly influences your meditations. One look around the boards here shows what DMT can do to you. It can also make you psychotic and bring out underlying illnesses like schizophrenia.

My point is just because you subjectively think something is sacred doesn't mean for you to bend Buddha's words or intentions. It's fine to work this in to your practice, but if you are deliberately trying to claim Buddha would be fine with it (when he wouldn't - I did some research a while back and one of the Bodhisattva vows is to keep mind and body clean from any and all drugs as much as possible) to reinforce your desire for mind-bending psychedelics then it's kind of cheating. Changing the rules of the games so you can still play the game instead of just recognising it's outside the religion to do what you're doing.

People do this all the time and I'm not snubbing it btw. But intoxicating doesn't stop at alcohol and there are many more Buddhist rules and vows than the Five Precepts which when understood clearly show that psychedelics are not holy, have no sanctity, are not sacred or anything but are detrimental to the search for enlightenment.


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    #18753774 - 08/25/13 01:16 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The fifth precept seems to be forbidding intoxication rather than mere consumption of a psychoactive drug.  According to Merriam Webster, intoxication is either "an abnormal state that is essentially a poisoning" or "the condition of being drunk or inebriation".  In short, one is intoxicated if one is incapable of thinking clearly; one is poisoned by a substance that is clouding one's head and judgment.  In short, one is falling more prey to delusion/Mara when one is intoxicated, by definition.  :gum:

Therefore I really don't think psychedelics like DMT or magic mushrooms necessarily qualify as intoxicants.  My trips on DMT and Psilocybe mushrooms have been anything but head-clouding or poisoning; instead, they seem to pull back the veil of illusion and help me think more clearly than I ever had before.  A substance that throws open the doors of perception is the diametrical opposite of a substance that slams them shut, like alcohol or opiate narcotics, which diminish one's sensory perceptions and delude the mind further through their addictive euphoria.  Thus I think that using psychedelics in this sense is anything but intoxication, and therefore is not forbidden by the fifth precept.  I will agree that sometimes psychedelics can be used to intoxicate, such as when someone takes five sugar cubes of LSD and MDMA and goes to an electronic rave followed by a sex orgy, but in the right set and setting they can clear the mind (especially when combined with meditation) and bring clarity and serenity to the user.  I hardly think Buddha would disapprove.  :shrug:


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: deCypher]
    #18753808 - 08/25/13 01:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I see where you're coming from but I disagree at the "doors of perception" quote. I believe psychedelics are prone to romanticism especially around these parts. They are chemicals which force your brain to put out more or less chemicals in certain places - they don't open up other realities or provide super clear and accurate thinking or massive spiritual insights or anything like that, at least not in my experience.

They definitely have their place and are fun and can "open the mind" (which is near impossible to quantify) and show different perspectives and what not but by definition definitively produce "an abnormal state that is essentially a poisoning". Tripping balls is no state of super-reality, you're not tapping into other dimensions, you're not seeing things as they really are, but the poisoning can lead you to think all of the above and more things in an instant and when you're sober again that's what you believe happened because it damn well felt like it and it's a very emotionally satisfying idea.

Psychedelics are as much as poison as opiates and alcohol, they just have the effect of making you think their bliss is somehow "high-brow" and spiritual instead of alcohol which makes you think it's euphoria is "manly" and socially-acceptable and so on. For these reasons the tripper often snubs other drug-takers while missing the point that their drug is just as much a simple drug that is leading them to believe that their drug is somehow superior. Psychedelics are a poison which can fuck with you big time while making you think that they aren't poisons, that the fuckery is spiritual and should be sought after and that they are somehow experiencing "the true reality". At least that's what it was like for me and countless other's on these boards.


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    #18754713 - 08/25/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The point is that the Buddha specified alcohol as prohibited specifically, so that is an obvious no. Everything else is up to personal and individual interpretation . Personally I think Occasional DMT is ok , but everyone must make their own choice in that because the Buddha did not say one way or the other, but on alcohol we need not speculate because he specifically prohibited liquor (alcohol).


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    #18755090 - 08/25/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Hmm, upon further research I think you are technically correct: literally, from the original translation the fifth precept reads "I undertake the training rule to abstain from fermented and distilled intoxicants which are the basis for heedlessness."  So this does seem like an express proscription against alcohol, yet from the following commentary it seems that elsewhere the Buddha actually does allow the drinking of alcohol, provided its purpose of medicinal and the result is not intoxication:

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The Buddha did stipulate an exception for medicinal purposes, but made it very restricted when there was a case of intoxication. In [Mahavagga VI 13.1-13.2] there is an account of a bhikkhu (Pilindavaccha) who was afflicted with wind. On the advice of a physician, the Buddha initially permitted as one of the treatments: "I allow you, monks, to mix strong drink in a decoction of oil.” However, a group of monks subsequently became intoxicated so the Buddha refined this rule to: “I allow you, monks, if neither the colour nor the smell nor the taste of strong drink appears in any decoction of oil, to drink oil mixed with strong drink if it is like this” (Horner 1951:278). However, if the concoction was too strong, the Buddha allowed it to be applied externally: "I allow you, monks, to employ it as an unguent"” (Horner 1951:278).

The Vinaya does not cover all eventualities and there are cases open to interpretation. For instance with regard to palliative care, whereas morphine – as an addictive substance – would usually be considered an intoxicant, for patients unable to cope with pain, administering a low dose would at least appear consistent with allowing alcohol to be consumed in a medicinal mixture. Further, a case could be made that it would enable the patient to more easily maintain calm awareness.



http://www.chezpaul.org.uk/buddhism/MSt_dissertation.htm

This is consistent with the use of alcohol by the Buddhists I mentioned earlier in this thread; Buddha amends his position from absolute proscription against ethanol in the fifth precept to allowing the consumption of alcohol provided the intent is not intoxication.  It seems clear that the spirit of the law is against anything which leads one further into a state of delusion and ignorance, which might allow the consumption of psychedelics provided the intent is for increased clarity of mind.

Overall, though, I find it silly to do or not do something just because Buddha said it, and without any further rationale.  If your desire to not drink alcohol is rooted in the wish to follow all of Buddha's teachings, it looks like you'll have to give up recreational games such as anything involving playing cards, dice, or gambling as well:  :lol:

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There is another related compound in the canon, based on the root jūtappamādaṭṭhāna. It occurs in the Brahmajāla Sutta, where in the Medium Tracts the Buddha includes recreational games in his list of items that he avoids, including jūtappamādaṭṭhānānuyoga, for which PED translates jūta as 'gambling, playing at dice.' Thus the phrase literally means: 'gambling, a yoke that is the cause of heedlessness.' As the Buddha discourages a long list of games, we may similarly expect that any form of gambling, not just dice would be covered by this rule.[21] Taken together, these observations suggest a tendency to generalisation, particularly to any substances that would befuddle the mind, adding weight to the suggestion that pamādaṭṭhānā supports a broad sense of meanings relating to intoxication and particularly validating Bodhi's extension to mind-altering drugs. It may also be remarked that gambling and related activities may be naturally associated with alcohol consumption (Ledi Sayadaw:19nn). This is certainly applicable to the contemporary British social context, where, for instance, pubs have traditionally been venues for various recreational games such as card games, some involving gambling.




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    #18755120 - 08/25/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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They definitely have their place and are fun and can "open the mind" (which is near impossible to quantify) and show different perspectives and what not but by definition definitively produce "an abnormal state that is essentially a poisoning". Tripping balls is no state of super-reality, you're not tapping into other dimensions, you're not seeing things as they really are, but the poisoning can lead you to think all of the above and more things in an instant and when you're sober again that's what you believe happened because it damn well felt like it and it's a very emotionally satisfying idea.




I do not consider the pharmacological effects of serotonergic psychedelics to be poison.  There is no neurotoxicity involved; no permanent damage to any organs as a result of taking magic mushrooms or LSD.  There is no risk of death involved here; no low LD-50.  The state does involve a temporary alteration from normal mental cognition and other brain processes, true, but considering meditation can lead one to very similar mind states that are also reached by psychedelics (re: Samadhi/ego death/etcetera) I feel as though they can be very beneficial when used to maintain clarity and quiet the mind of distracting thought.  It is possible to use psychedelics in a harmful way, though--I've read of countless trips that have only furthered some people's delusions and led to the reinforcement of some truly wacky beliefs, and you're right in that such a tremendously powerful mental experience can make even the most trivial idea seem like a revelation from God simply due to the nature of the thing, but this doesn't invalidate the good that can also come from these substances.

I've experienced spiritual fuckery from psychedelics too but the spiritual benefits/the good have outweighed the bad overall.  :psychsplit:


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    #18755121 - 08/25/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Hmm, upon further research I think you are technically correct: literally, from the original translation the fifth precept reads "I undertake the training rule to abstain from fermented and distilled intoxicants which are the basis for heedlessness."  So this does seem like an express proscription against alcohol, yet from the following commentary it seems that elsewhere the Buddha actually does allow the drinking of alcohol, provided its purpose of medicinal and the result is not intoxication:

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The Buddha did stipulate an exception for medicinal purposes, but made it very restricted when there was a case of intoxication. In [Mahavagga VI 13.1-13.2] there is an account of a bhikkhu (Pilindavaccha) who was afflicted with wind. On the advice of a physician, the Buddha initially permitted as one of the treatments: "I allow you, monks, to mix strong drink in a decoction of oil.” However, a group of monks subsequently became intoxicated so the Buddha refined this rule to: “I allow you, monks, if neither the colour nor the smell nor the taste of strong drink appears in any decoction of oil, to drink oil mixed with strong drink if it is like this” (Horner 1951:278). However, if the concoction was too strong, the Buddha allowed it to be applied externally: "I allow you, monks, to employ it as an unguent"” (Horner 1951:278).

The Vinaya does not cover all eventualities and there are cases open to interpretation. For instance with regard to palliative care, whereas morphine – as an addictive substance – would usually be considered an intoxicant, for patients unable to cope with pain, administering a low dose would at least appear consistent with allowing alcohol to be consumed in a medicinal mixture. Further, a case could be made that it would enable the patient to more easily maintain calm awareness.



http://www.chezpaul.org.uk/buddhism/MSt_dissertation.htm

This is consistent with the use of alcohol by the Buddhists I mentioned earlier in this thread; Buddha amends his position from absolute proscription against ethanol in the fifth precept to allowing the consumption of alcohol provided the intent is not intoxication.  It seems clear that the spirit of the law is against anything which leads one further into a state of delusion and ignorance, which might allow the consumption of psychedelics provided the intent is for increased clarity of mind.

Overall, though, I find it silly to do or not do something just because Buddha said it, and without any further rationale.  If your desire to not drink alcohol is rooted in the wish to follow all of Buddha's teachings, it looks like you'll have to give up recreational games such as anything involving playing cards, dice, or gambling as well:  :lol:

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There is another related compound in the canon, based on the root jūtappamādaṭṭhāna. It occurs in the Brahmajāla Sutta, where in the Medium Tracts the Buddha includes recreational games in his list of items that he avoids, including jūtappamādaṭṭhānānuyoga, for which PED translates jūta as 'gambling, playing at dice.' Thus the phrase literally means: 'gambling, a yoke that is the cause of heedlessness.' As the Buddha discourages a long list of games, we may similarly expect that any form of gambling, not just dice would be covered by this rule.[21] Taken together, these observations suggest a tendency to generalisation, particularly to any substances that would befuddle the mind, adding weight to the suggestion that pamādaṭṭhānā supports a broad sense of meanings relating to intoxication and particularly validating Bodhi's extension to mind-altering drugs. It may also be remarked that gambling and related activities may be naturally associated with alcohol consumption (Ledi Sayadaw:19nn). This is certainly applicable to the contemporary British social context, where, for instance, pubs have traditionally been venues for various recreational games such as card games, some involving gambling.







Thanks for the commentary. I do indeed renounce all forms of gambling.

I follow the teachings of the Buddha not simply because he "Said so" but also because I find his wisdom profound, his analysis of the causes of and solutions to human suffering compelling, and his reasoning impeccable.

Furthermore, when one applies the Buddha's teachings in one's one life, one begins to see and feel the benefits, so the value of the teachings is confirmed through experience.

Nevertheless, I only follow the teachings in so far as I agree with them and find them beneficial. I find abstaining from alcohol beneficial, but like I said I would permit myself the occasional beer or glass of wine if I felt there was a good reason or medicinal benefit. I also abstain entirely from all forms of gambling, from viewing pornography or entering strip clubs and from theft and violence.

I also believe that the precepts require me to become a vegetarian, however, I freely admit that I have so far failed to live up to this requirement as I do eat meat. I hope to achieve the strength of will to change this one day.

I highly recommend reading a copy of the Dhammaphada in order to understand and benefit from the Buddha's teachings.

I believe the spirit of the fifth precept prohibits intoxication, meaning the ingestion of toxic substances. Therefore not only alcohol but also cocaine, methamphetamine, and tobacco are also prohibited. By contrast vaporized or orally ingested marijuana, which is not toxic, is not prohibited by the fifth precept, in my personal interpretation.


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    #18755132 - 08/25/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

As always arguments of this sort invariably come down to different definitions of the terms being used.  :lol:

You're saying that intoxication is defined merely as the ingestion of toxic substances, but from what I'm reading it appears as though Buddha is implying that intoxication is the consumption of anything that can result in madness and evil deeds.  From the Sutta to Dhammika:

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400. A layman who has chosen to practice this Dhamma should not indulge in the drinking of intoxicants [majja]. He should not drink them nor encourage others to do so; realizing that it leads to madness [ummāda].
401. Through intoxication foolish people perform evil deeds and cause other heedless people to do likewise. He should avoid intoxication, this occasion for demerit [pāpa], which stupefies the mind, and is the pleasure of foolish people.




And the Vipāka Sutta:

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The drinking of fermented & distilled liquors [surāmerayapānaṃ] — when indulged in, developed, & pursued — is something that leads to hell, leads to rebirth as a common animal, leads to the realm of the hungry shades. The slightest of all the results coming from drinking fermented & distilled liquors is that, when one becomes a human being, it leads to mental derangement [ummattaka].




I see less of a focus on harmful side effects of the drug and more of a focus on the drug causing insanity, stupefaction, and/or mental derangement.  As a result any drug that helps produce a clear mind wouldn't qualify as an intoxicant, IMO, and thus such drugs as caffeine, psychedelics, and even tobacco would be acceptable to take given that they help focus the mind and relieve stress.  I'd even say a case could be made for amphetamines in moderation.

In the end of course one will tend to interpret such scriptures according to one's personal desires and biases.  Stoners will claim that the fifth precept doesn't apply to marijuana, wine enthusiasts will try to exempt their favored drug of choice on some rationalized grounds, etcetera.  But this is very hard to escape doing.  :wink:


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    #18755220 - 08/25/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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They definitely have their place and are fun and can "open the mind" (which is near impossible to quantify) and show different perspectives and what not but by definition definitively produce "an abnormal state that is essentially a poisoning". Tripping balls is no state of super-reality, you're not tapping into other dimensions, you're not seeing things as they really are, but the poisoning can lead you to think all of the above and more things in an instant and when you're sober again that's what you believe happened because it damn well felt like it and it's a very emotionally satisfying idea.




I do not consider the pharmacological effects of serotonergic psychedelics to be poison.  There is no neurotoxicity involved; no permanent damage to any organs as a result of taking magic mushrooms or LSD.  There is no risk of death involved here; no low LD-50.  The state does involve a temporary alteration from normal mental cognition and other brain processes, true, but considering meditation can lead one to very similar mind states that are also reached by psychedelics (re: Samadhi/ego death/etcetera) I feel as though they can be very beneficial when used to maintain clarity and quiet the mind of distracting thought.  It is possible to use psychedelics in a harmful way, though--I've read of countless trips that have only furthered some people's delusions and led to the reinforcement of some truly wacky beliefs, and you're right in that such a tremendously powerful mental experience can make even the most trivial idea seem like a revelation from God simply due to the nature of the thing, but this doesn't invalidate the good that can also come from these substances.

I've experienced spiritual fuckery from psychedelics too but the spiritual benefits/the good have outweighed the bad overall.  :psychsplit:




I just wanted to repost and say I totally agree with what you said here.

I also agree with what you said in your last post, that  the Buddha prohibits anything that leads to evil.

I do not think ingestion of cannabis leads to evil however, while drugs like crack, meth and alcohol often do .

It's also worth noticing that many sects of Hindus and Buddhists frequently smoke marihuana while abstaining from alcohol.

I should also point out that I am now abstaining from weed , however I still believe it is a sacred, medicinal and non-toxic substance .


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    #18762465 - 08/27/13 03:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It comes down to the Dog koan. Of what use is it if you your Self are not enlightened?


And ya know... we have forgiving face and unforgiving face. I don't know about this wacky hall of mirrors sometimes.

But I know one thing.

I believe in the Forgiving God. Who will slap you seven ways till next sunday just so That can keep you alive, to reach the true Paradise you asked That for.


It's just that on the way, we literally forget this sometimes and tell the God to come at us, bro. And so it does. It's all about soaring high but if your wings are made of wax then Icarus better know how to swim, or man shall drown, ja feel?



You know what... I wrote earlier about tobacco.

Well, water is the essence of all life.

So from here on now, I pledge, not even to "quit smoking". Let's be very 100% specific about our goals because truly, we ourselves sabotage our own goals. Satan is just another word for adversary and we are our own adversary when our desires are not fully aligned with our intentions.



So I ask all the other smokers here, if you desire to live... They say that the longer you can hold off a cigarette after waking up, the longer your life expectancy.

Well... what about others' life expectancy in that case? :satansmoking:

So we see that we must forgive ourselves to forgive others.


Simple pledge. From here onwards, I pledge to do my best every morning to drink a nice tall glass of water first thing in the morning, every day. Then if I feel to smoke a cigarette, then fair play. Let water run through the arid dryness of the fire of my inspiration. I burn, I burn for You.


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    #18762886 - 08/27/13 08:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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It comes down to the Dog koan. Of what use is it if you your Self are not enlightened?


And ya know... we have forgiving face and unforgiving face. I don't know about this wacky hall of mirrors sometimes.

But I know one thing.

I believe in the Forgiving God. Who will slap you seven ways till next sunday just so That can keep you alive, to reach the true Paradise you asked That for.


It's just that on the way, we literally forget this sometimes and tell the God to come at us, bro. And so it does. It's all about soaring high but if your wings are made of wax then Icarus better know how to swim, or man shall drown, ja feel?



You know what... I wrote earlier about tobacco.

Well, water is the essence of all life.

So from here on now, I pledge, not even to "quit smoking". Let's be very 100% specific about our goals because truly, we ourselves sabotage our own goals. Satan is just another word for adversary and we are our own adversary when our desires are not fully aligned with our intentions.



So I ask all the other smokers here, if you desire to live... They say that the longer you can hold off a cigarette after waking up, the longer your life expectancy.

Well... what about others' life expectancy in that case? :satansmoking:

So we see that we must forgive ourselves to forgive others.


Simple pledge. From here onwards, I pledge to do my best every morning to drink a nice tall glass of water first thing in the morning, every day. Then if I feel to smoke a cigarette, then fair play. Let water run through the arid dryness of the fire of my inspiration. I burn, I burn for You.





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    #18763131 - 08/27/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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It comes down to the Dog koan. Of what use is it if you your Self are not enlightened?


And ya know... we have forgiving face and unforgiving face. I don't know about this wacky hall of mirrors sometimes.

But I know one thing.

I believe in the Forgiving God. Who will slap you seven ways till next sunday just so That can keep you alive, to reach the true Paradise you asked That for.


It's just that on the way, we literally forget this sometimes and tell the God to come at us, bro. And so it does. It's all about soaring high but if your wings are made of wax then Icarus better know how to swim, or man shall drown, ja feel?



You know what... I wrote earlier about tobacco.

Well, water is the essence of all life.

So from here on now, I pledge, not even to "quit smoking". Let's be very 100% specific about our goals because truly, we ourselves sabotage our own goals. Satan is just another word for adversary and we are our own adversary when our desires are not fully aligned with our intentions.



So I ask all the other smokers here, if you desire to live... They say that the longer you can hold off a cigarette after waking up, the longer your life expectancy.

Well... what about others' life expectancy in that case? :satansmoking:

So we see that we must forgive ourselves to forgive others.


Simple pledge. From here onwards, I pledge to do my best every morning to drink a nice tall glass of water first thing in the morning, every day. Then if I feel to smoke a cigarette, then fair play. Let water run through the arid dryness of the fire of my inspiration. I burn, I burn for You.





Get an E cigarette man the cigarette problem has been solved and e cigarettes are the solution



ecigarettes and snus. and meditation (which helped my buddy quit)


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: topdog82]
    #18763216 - 08/27/13 10:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

What exactly is snus?


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18764443 - 08/27/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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What exactly is snus?



it comes in pouches like dip or can buy it loose like loose dip. Either way it is a lot "cleaner" than dip. Obviously not 100% healthy but I dont understnad it to be that bad for your body at all. Prolly the healthiest form of tobacco intake. It is also pretty distreect. Yoiu dont have to spit like dip. And your gums dont ache. I went from dip to snus and eventually quit altogether. Alot of people use it to quit stoges as well



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    #18765468 - 08/27/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

So its a chewable tobacco but somehow different from regular chew?

Interesting.


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    #18790519 - 09/02/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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So its a chewable tobacco but somehow different from regular chew?

Interesting.



sorry just saw this. I guess you could say that. Normal american chew is fire cured leaving it ridden with carcinogens. Snus is water cured

like refined oral tobacco. Feels classy almost. and pretty cheap considering the nicotine punch it packs


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    #19085371 - 11/04/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm a bit skeptical about the methods, colors used...




this!
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/05/science/herbal-supplements-are-often-not-what-they-seem.html?ref=science&_r=1&


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: cbub]
    #19085919 - 11/04/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

oh wow, I used to love maharishi 4 nd 5 and they were good at first when they had saffron before it became a business and they switched to turmeric

now I only take turmeric

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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: eve69]
    #19085946 - 11/04/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I agree turmeric is very beneficial !

I will start taking it regularly, thanks for the reminder


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19088076 - 11/04/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thumbs up for turmeric. I suggest you buy the root and grind just as much as you need. It's incomparably more aromatic that way and goes amazing with zucchini, eggplant, chayote, squash.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: cbub]
    #19088137 - 11/05/13 12:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hmm thanks for the tip I will keep an eye out for it! I am not sure If I have ever stumbled across whole turmeric roots shopping but if I do I will certainly buy some!

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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19471606 - 01/25/14 11:38 AM (10 years, 4 days ago)

I just thought I would throw in some beneficial herbs and whatnot.

Ajwain Herb:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trachyspermum_ammi

I was having stomach ache that was killing me. I didnt know what exactly I ate. But I thought I was having an ulcer or something. My mom reccomended I pickup some of these seeds and I made a tea with it.Within 2 hours of making the tea, I felt that my entire digestive system was cleansed. My mom has a horrible digestive system which is way out of whack. Apparently this tea everyday is what lets her function as if normal. Obviously she still can't really stomach processed foods, but this tea has helped her immensely. She works long hours in the office and semi has problems with it anymore. One pot of tea infused with it in the morning and one at night works wonders

Also, ginseng has been causing some problems with my sleep. So i stopped taking it. As with piracetam and caffiene

My mom also suggeseted brahmi:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacopa_monnieri

It has been doing wonders for me in school. I feel that it helps me sleep better too. I will post the link if I can find it. But if you take it everyday(so this reference says) you will have marked improvements in cognitive functions


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: topdog82]
    #21032627 - 12/27/14 05:33 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Curiosity; has anyone on this thread had experience with reishi mushrooms? I have heard postive things but the only thing I have found is that it helps with chemotherapy. Any help would be appreciated

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    #21032677 - 12/27/14 05:48 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I got like a half pound of that stuff IIRC.  Haven't been taking it much cuz I don't even know why I bought it, lol.  There was a very informative link on it I found somewhere, let me look... I believe this is it, enjoy!

http://examine.com/supplements/Ganoderma+lucidum/


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    #21033112 - 12/27/14 07:35 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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I got like a half pound of that stuff IIRC.  Haven't been taking it much cuz I don't even know why I bought it, lol.  There was a very informative link on it I found somewhere, let me look... I believe this is it, enjoy!

http://examine.com/supplements/Ganoderma+lucidum/



Thanks I'll check it out :smile:


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: topdog82]
    #21033538 - 12/27/14 10:05 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Yes I highly recommend taking reishi mushroom tincture every day as an all over health tonic.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21033652 - 12/27/14 10:46 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I thought I read somewhere or maybe it was just one anecdote but does it inhibit dreaming?  That's like the one major turn off from it, otherwise I'm gonna start taking it all the time.  I feel it is useful for people without cancer, but it seems to be much more useful if you do have cancer.  Moonshoe did you check out that link?  That website has a TON of information about supplements and stuff I feel like it's the erowid of supplements or something haha, hell even more detailed.


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: extreme]
    #21033801 - 12/28/14 12:22 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes I highly recommend taking reishi mushroom tincture every day as an all over health tonic.



Dealio. Tim ferris mixes it in his daily tea along wit turmeric

Have u had any Noticable effects
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I thought I read somewhere or maybe it was just one anecdote but does it inhibit dreaming?  That's like the one major turn off from it, otherwise I'm gonna start taking it all the time.  I feel it is useful for people without cancer, but it seems to be much more useful if you do have cancer.  Moonshoe did you check out that link?  That website has a TON of information about supplements and stuff I feel like it's the erowid of supplements or something haha, hell even more detailed.



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    #21033830 - 12/28/14 12:43 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I'm already in :thumbup:


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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21045003 - 12/30/14 05:00 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

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Yes I highly recommend taking reishi mushroom tincture every day as an all over health tonic.



I just looked it up today. Reishi mushrooms look like they have amazing benefits, and a very tiny cost. What brand are you getting?

I see a wide range of prices, but I am not sure that the cheaper ones are potent and of high quality. Any help would be appreaciated


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    #21046286 - 12/30/14 09:31 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

FWIW I think the brand I got was Herbal Island or something.  I think that's why I got it too, I also got Ashwagathanda (sp) and mucuna pruriens.  Two pounds total and maybe like 30 bucks for all (guess) but that's pretty cheap for that many doses.


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    #21047841 - 12/31/14 09:12 AM (9 years, 29 days ago)

Just make sure you get a Reishi tincture not just capsules or raw mushrooms not sure what brand os best also Chagga mushroom is almost equally good


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    #21047851 - 12/31/14 09:14 AM (9 years, 29 days ago)

You can get a lb of dried, sliced Reishi online for $20... I break it up and boil it for a few hours with lemon balm, fo ti and shizandra berry, after turning the heat off I add a little honey and fresh mint... It's amazing.


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    #21058180 - 01/02/15 08:01 PM (9 years, 27 days ago)

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    #22117809 - 08/20/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I experienced little to no changes from reishi unfortunately

But I was wondering if anyone had specific books regarding lucid dreaming? It seems that the tibetans really had it down to a science. At least much more so than the west. as such I was thinking this one would be good?

http://www.amazon.com/Dreaming-Yourself-Awake-Tibetan-Transformation/dp/159030957X/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8

Any suggestions will be taken. But I have seen NUMEROUS of the posters in this thread discuss topics that tend to border on lucid dreaming. Has anyone actually successfully lucid dreamed daily? Has you gained any impressive insight?

Any info would be appreaciated

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    #22117994 - 08/20/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have achieved pretty advanced levels of regular lucid dreaming but it ebbs and flows . It's been a while since my last one but I have had periods when I was having them more often then not.


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I have achieved pretty advanced levels of regular lucid dreaming but it ebbs and flows . It's been a while since my last one but I have had periods when I was having them more often then not.



I read the little paragraph you typed on the first post in this thread. You happen to have any sources/books for further use?


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    #22120839 - 08/21/15 06:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I had a book of Tibetan Dream Yoga, and also found Carlos Castaneda's "the gates of dreaming" to be interesting.

But really lucid dreaming does not require reading or anything sophisticated- just regular reality checks while awake, firm repeated intention to become lucid while falling asleep, and consistent use of the interupted sleep tecnique and keeping a detailed dream journal. Persist in this and you will get lucid, I am not aware of any other techniques that will help.


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    #22121624 - 08/21/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I had a book of Tibetan Dream Yoga, and also found Carlos Castaneda's "the gates of dreaming" to be interesting.

But really lucid dreaming does not require reading or anything sophisticated- just regular reality checks while awake, firm repeated intention to become lucid while falling asleep, and consistent use of the interupted sleep tecnique and keeping a detailed dream journal. Persist in this and you will get lucid, I am not aware of any other techniques that will help.



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