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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Penelope_Tree]
#18476204 - 06/26/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonshoe, how much time do you spent in front of the PC?
you didnt talk about limiting use of electronic media. i personally think it's detrimental for me, but i spent way too much time for sure.
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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Moonshoe]
#18476236 - 06/26/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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you should try adding some tai chi and qi gong exercises into the mix. i think it would gel with your routine quite well.
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Please keep us updated on your progress, Moonshoe.
This kind of stuff is great, and has so much potential because now in this age we have so much information! I think we will see schools like this start popping up everywhere, creating happy healthy enlightened people.
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What about sex and masturbation? Would masturbation be encouraged, discouraged, moderation?
I really don't know anything about tantric practises, perhaps I will so some research and then give my input.
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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Icelander]
#18476696 - 06/26/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Well said. Maybe ill compromise and allow alcohol in moderation.
What about Heroin then? In moderation of course.
I'm reminded of when you fasted for a couple weeks and posted daily. In retrospect, that was fuckin' cool I'll be surprised if this thread is alive in 4mo. So few people ever follow through with a real challenge. I'm not sure if the health benefits of this project are even real. Maybe what's really important is finding out whether or not you're a complete milquetoast
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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Icelander]
#18478388 - 06/27/13 07:36 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Beside the Garden said: Posting to save this as a guideline. The cost of supplements and food would be taxing.
OP please keep updating as you take this on, let us know about the good days and the difficulties you run into.
The supplements are completely unnecessary. I speak as a supplement salesman for over 20 years. Eat lite, eat colorful unprocessed food and you are good to go.

On TV atm, in the ad breaks between goals in AFL footy, they have former champion players going on about how good these latest brand name vitamins or tablets or whatever are as an advertisment. Always gives me and Dad a good laugh especially since at the start of the year one of the team's health programs was leaked due to using banned substances. They had upwards of 50 hard to obtain peptides, amino acid compounds, anti obesity drugs, all sorts of stuff on the list of what they used in the previous year. And we're expected to believe that professional athletes really use and rely on an OTC tablet called "Stamina" or "Protein" or "Awake" for their drug regime.
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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: lolwut]
#18478448 - 06/27/13 08:01 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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^
It's very true that the supplement industry is a scam. That is, that industry oriented towards people into sports or who want to lose 100kg of fat overnight. A dumbass can be scammed a thousand ways and then some more.
But do not think for a second that these supplements mentioned in the OP are part of that scam. The nootropic industry is not aimed at dumbasses who can't string a sentence together whose only sole method of communication with the outside world is their wallet. When it comes to these things like NAC or COQ-10 they all have incredible pharmacological value.
Why is it I can take these supplements and feel superhuman and another person takes them and thinks "placebo, useless"? Hint: KNOWLEDGE. If you take these supplements with no idea of why they work, what receptors they hit, what kind of body systems stasis you're messing with and the implications, you will derive no benefit. It makes little sense to recommend a small stack of random things which might suit *YOU* but they could destroy someone else or more than likely, just not work much if at all.
When in truth, a little NAC or zinc or this or that taken at the right time can be the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak and triggered a much larger response in the self.
If you KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE DOING then supplements are a very easy way to induce "drug"-free heaven. It's like playing a game of hot potato, targeting one system after the other with slight (or heavy!) nudges so that the sum total is pure serene ecstatic bliss.
Also OP, why are you backpeddling on the alcohol? I found that the reduced inhibitions from alcohol cause me to fuck up a lot. The reduction of inhibition lasts for several days post-ingestion of alcohol, it does not merely go away after you cease to be drunk/tipsy. If you are *making active changes for the better* then you will kind of have to struggle with yourself to manifest those changes. Alcohol is like the diametric opposite of struggling and self-control. Alcohol = disregard consequences, acquire gratification. No, that is not the trait of a warrior.
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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: crkhd]
#18478478 - 06/27/13 08:13 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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IMO a person is more of a "warrior" for being able to use alcohol like the tool that it is: something that shouldn't be used lightly, yet nonetheless in the right circumstances it can be very spiritually rewarding. Not to mention teetotallers live shorter lives than moderate drinkers. 
"I am the Snake that giveth Knowledge & Delight and bright glory, and stir the hearts of men with drunkenness. To worship me take wine and strange drugs whereof I will tell my prophet, & be drunk thereof! They shall not harm ye at all. It is a lie, this folly against self. The exposure of innocence is a lie. Be strong, O man! lust, enjoy all things of sense and rapture: fear not that any God shall deny thee for this."
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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: deCypher] 1
#18479695 - 06/27/13 01:59 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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deCypher said: IMO a person is more of a "warrior" for being able to use alcohol like the tool that it is:"
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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: crkhd]
#18479730 - 06/27/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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crkhd said: ^
It's very true that the supplement industry is a scam. That is, that industry oriented towards people into sports or who want to lose 100kg of fat overnight. A dumbass can be scammed a thousand ways and then some more.
But do not think for a second that these supplements mentioned in the OP are part of that scam. The nootropic industry is not aimed at dumbasses who can't string a sentence together whose only sole method of communication with the outside world is their wallet. When it comes to these things like NAC or COQ-10 they all have incredible pharmacological value.
Why is it I can take these supplements and feel superhuman and another person takes them and thinks "placebo, useless"? Hint: KNOWLEDGE. If you take these supplements with no idea of why they work, what receptors they hit, what kind of body systems stasis you're messing with and the implications, you will derive no benefit. It makes little sense to recommend a small stack of random things which might suit *YOU* but they could destroy someone else or more than likely, just not work much if at all.
When in truth, a little NAC or zinc or this or that taken at the right time can be the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak and triggered a much larger response in the self.
Also OP, why are you backpeddling on the alcohol? I found that the reduced inhibitions from alcohol cause me to fuck up a lot. The reduction of inhibition lasts for several days post-ingestion of alcohol, it does not merely go away after you cease to be drunk/tipsy. If you are *making active changes for the better* then you will kind of have to struggle with yourself to manifest those changes. Alcohol is like the diametric opposite of struggling and self-control. Alcohol = disregard consequences, acquire gratification. No, that is not the trait of a warrior.
Thanks for the reminder. I made a pact with my best friend we would only drink socially, when out with friends for dinner or something, and never alone.
But I am going to struggle for complete abstinence form alcohol for the reasons you mentioned. Thanks for reminding me that this is an important part of the project and alcohol can only hold me back from success.
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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: deCypher]
#18480009 - 06/27/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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deCypher said: IMO a person is more of a "warrior" for being able to use alcohol like the tool that it is: something that shouldn't be used lightly, yet nonetheless in the right circumstances it can be very spiritually rewarding. Not to mention teetotallers live shorter lives than moderate drinkers. 
"I am the Snake that giveth Knowledge & Delight and bright glory, and stir the hearts of men with drunkenness. To worship me take wine and strange drugs whereof I will tell my prophet, & be drunk thereof! They shall not harm ye at all. It is a lie, this folly against self. The exposure of innocence is a lie. Be strong, O man! lust, enjoy all things of sense and rapture: fear not that any God shall deny thee for this."
This isn't really a matter of who can drink alcohol and hold it down and has hair on their chest.
This is a matter of scientifically seeking a specific mind-state, which is without a shade of a doubt obscured by alcohol. It is also obscured by many other things like tranquilisers, PCP, .50cal bullets through the brain amongst others but then OP didn't say he was going to dabble in a little PCP.
I totally agree that alcohol should be used in moderation but there are times and places where alcohol has no time and place and here is one of them. To reach peak consciousness-flow needs extreme subtlety of the mind and alcohol doesn't do that and you and I very well know that; it smears your consciousness out over a few more seconds than before so consequently you can trip and fall and stumble when normally you would have sharply bounced away.
Now if someone can drink alcohol and preserve subtlety of the mind then much more power to them but again you and I both well know that the overwhelming majority of humans turn weaker and depraved when given alcohol. That is an intrinsic outcome of the drug, which lowers inhibitions. If you are sitting down and saying "OK for the next four months I am purposefully cultivating SELF-CONTROL" then how does it make sense to ingest something which REDUCES SELF CONTROL in that time phase? You have the rest of your life to drink to your heart's content. This is like sitting down for a one minute's solemn silence only for some random donut in the crowd to go "SQUAWK" halfway through.
If seeking coolness, avoid matches and fire. Simple as that really.
Also, I will say the same for all intoxicating substances. Including tobacco and marijuana, less so marijuana and more so tobacco. IME you need to ingest sustances that create CLARITY. The extensive list of superfoods definitely induces clarity. Tobacco briefly induces clarity but it swiftly takes it away because your mind is distracted by the tobacco craving and it might get in the way of other things. The amount of times I have skipped doing something useful just to first smoke a cig amazes me, I am certainly not saying that everyone or even most people are like this... but only one thing - watch out for the snares and traps you lay down for your self. If something feels like it's not going to jive, it is NOT going to jive. I have fought this battle of knowing it's not good for me, doing it anyway because feelsgoodman.jpg and acknowledging past me's "I told you so dumbass" enough times to say these words...
Above all... solemnity and reverence will be your friend during this journey. Know the difference between lust and love and practice self-love, and more often than not if you are anything like me, that will be tough love. Deny yourself the little sweets to get to the mountain of cheesecake you truly desire; deny, not deprive.
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Edited by crkhd (06/27/13 03:29 PM)
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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Moonshoe] 1
#18480624 - 06/27/13 05:31 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I commend anyone who is able to follow your regiment, but it my experience the rigidity can lead to some blow back. I'd say every circumstance is unique, and there are times when one can get drunk, eat at Taco Bell, etc etc and you can be alright. However, if you carry this notion of "purity" then when you inevitably do partake in these actions you are going to drag yourself down with the negative thoughts. For instance, I try not to eat meat but I do eat meat when it is offered to me. I don't make people go out of their way to cook specifically to me.
For people who work 40 hours a week, and have hobbies or whatever, doing all those prescribed meditations and what have you is going to become taxing and nearly impossible. For me, a more attainable goal is 30 minutes or meditation a day, an overall healthy diet rich with fruits and vegetables, the occasional MDMA at a show, or mushrooms in the woods, or getting smashed with friends at an open bar. If I eat healthy and exercise 4-5 times a week I don't think I need any supplements. Everything in moderation, yea know.
IMO the idea of meditation to to slowly but surely bring a sense of mindfullness into all areas of life. The sitting, the chanting or the zazen or w/e, is just the start. But for reals, good luck with the plan. You definitely outlined some really important ideas/practices.
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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#18481300 - 06/27/13 07:59 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am going to update the project.
*Exercise does not have to be yoga but can be weight training, Martial Arts, or I do a combo of Weight training, yoga, and Cardio.
*Masturbation should be avoided for clearer lucidity in dreams and increased energy, however healthy sex is encouraged because of the energy produced(Instead of lost).
*Diet does not have to be so strict but stick to nutritional facts ( for example red meat is discouraged more than a few times a week and natural food is recommended and maybe add a multivitamin?)
*Meditation should at least include Anapana/Vipassana. Chanting OM helps stabilize the mind but chanting should be optional.
*Include a reading of some type of inspirational/spiritual text as often as you can to keep your thinking positive.
*Include Psychedelic of choice (DMT, LSD, Mushrooms, MDMA) in responsible environment.
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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: moi]
#18482651 - 06/28/13 03:46 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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moi said: moonshoe, how much time do you spent in front of the PC?
you didnt talk about limiting use of electronic media. i personally think it's detrimental for me, but i spent way too much time for sure.
answer this post please, moonshoe.
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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: crkhd]
#18482967 - 06/28/13 07:31 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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crkhd said: Or my favourite, there is this little channel of energy flow somewhere near the soft fleshy bit of the roof of your mouth, your inner nasal passages and the brain-stem itself and the core low-level part of the brain around it. If you pay close attention you will notice that your thoughts originate from this point. So by spending a long time actively controlling the flow of this circuit and watching how each time it fires a spark a new thought is generated, you begin to *learn* how to switch off the thought-generator at its root, just as you learn to walk.
The flow of air through the upper/inner nasal passages corresponds to a flow of blood/life-energy through the brain-stem.
Wow, dude that reminds me of the Soma and its counterpart, the palatine chakra 
 http://www.paranormal.de/ballabene/chakra/meister.htm
can you explain a bit more about it? how long do you meditate on this path and what are the effects? i mean are there any outstandig effects?
in occult literature this stream leads to secretion of ectoplasm
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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: crkhd]
#18483837 - 06/28/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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IMO CoQ 10 has little value for a healthy adult. I took it for years and speak from experience.
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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Icelander]
#18483969 - 06/28/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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anyone thinking that spending time with electronic media should be limited aswell? moonshoe didnt mention it. so i assume he spends very little time with media anyway and isn't aware of possible issues.
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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Icelander]
#18485915 - 06/28/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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hey icy, what do you think about the products sold by onnit.com like alpha brain or shroom tech?
https://www.onnit.com
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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: Eviander]
#18486698 - 06/29/13 02:23 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hello. I admire your commitment to undergo such measures to attain a good body mind balance. I have a suggestion because I care: You might reconsider the use of garlic, because it has an effect on the nervous system, which can interfere with meditation. It is also a natural aphrodisiac which may not be sought for in such endeavor. It contains some sulphur based toxin (which makes the distinct smell) which may not be the thing you look for when cleansing the body. I am however not saying that garlic is a bad thing. It is an antibiotic and blood circulation stimulant. I personally love it and eat it, just saying it might not be the thing you want to include into the diet for what you are trying to achieve. I would also avoid the vitamin supplements, since it is not anything natural or something our bodies evolved to need. If you eat a diet filled with raw fruit and vegetables you can rest assured you are getting all the vitamins your body needs. I like how you added ganoderma lucidum as a supplement. I would use it only if i wanted to cure something, but considering how much abuse our systems go through it is probably well desired. I invite you to stay in a form of such a lifestyle for good. It is nice to know that you are not your body, it is your most valuable asset in this ride and it should be treated as such. It always pays off in terms of quality and depth of this experience.
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Re: Project Mastermind- Are you in? [Re: blingbling]
#18487915 - 06/29/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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blingbling said: hey icy, what do you think about the products sold by onnit.com like alpha brain or shroom tech?
https://www.onnit.com
I might buy a kettle bell from them.
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