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 GernBlanston
unintended sideeffect
Registered: 05/28/03
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Unfortuately, I'm with the few who've had unpleasant experiences with HBWR. On just 4 seeds (and I'm sure they were HBWR), I experienced such nausea and such a heavy body load that I was pretty much miserable until I was finally able to vomit (at about 6 hours in  ) The trip itself was light and quite pleasant - but the body load was simply not worth it... I don't think I've ever wished a trip to 'go away' as much as I did that one.
I may try again one day, but it's hard to say.
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 Xlea321
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Registered: 02/25/01
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Any of the european based guys know a place in Europe that sells top quality seeds?
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soluble_dreams
N,N on the floor
Registered: 07/08/03
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 Re: HBWR  [Re: Xlea321]
#1859495 - 08/28/03 03:03 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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The only experience I've had is with LSA.. twice.
In the form of morning glory seeds, unfortunately.
The absolute worse part was ingesting the ground seeds, in lemon custard. Which was absolutely horrid, and is enough to make me gag now..
My first trip was kind of pleasant, but I ended up fighting an inner-psychedelic battle to try to conquer 'sleep', so that I could become it.
Not to mention the hangover the day after, which made me feel absolutely depressed, and like total shit. Overall, the 4 grams of morning glory seeds the first time wasn't worth it.
Second time, I used 16 grams.. in which the lemon custard/ground seed was used.
The 'trip' was more of a bodyload with paranoid/color enhancement, and the most visuals I saw were the waving of the walls, and my face turn into a geometric pane.
Besides that, I strugged to sleep for 6+ hours, writhing in bed.. in which the next day I was totally incapacitated, and couldn't discern reality from.. well, reality. I thought everything was a hallucinatino, and I had no clue what was true. The thought 'permatripping' passed through my mind at least once, so did thoughts of suicide. Which, I might add, isn't true to my nature, for the most part.
The residual effects lasted about 5 days, the worst 5 days of my life. And I say that with all sincerity. Being a shell of a person with absolutely no goals, no loves, no hates, no fears, no problems, no fun, no ANYTHING really wears down on you.
Although the experience, in the long run, was more beneficial than anything.. It's not something I'd like to repeat in the same set/setting.
As for favorite 'drug', I'm sticking to Ayahuasca. It teaches me something new each time, and the experience is never less than reality-bending breathtaking psychedelic universal gumbo. Quite visual, too.
Maybe I'll try HBRW sometime.. but I'm not all too fond with my previous LSA experiences.
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Xochitl
synchronicitycircuit
Registered: 07/15/03
Posts: 1,241
Loc: the brainforest
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Re: HBWR [Re: Xlea321]
#1859591 - 08/28/03 03:30 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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As we know, there are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know.
-Donald Rumsfeld 2/2/02 Pentagon
Edited by Xochitl (09/13/03 02:41 AM)
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stefan
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Re: HBWR [Re: Xlea321]
#1860000 - 08/28/03 05:27 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Alex123 said:
Any of the european based guys know a place in Europe that sells top quality seeds?
www.maya-ethnobotanicals.com
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Xlea321
Stranger
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Re: HBWR [Re: stefan]
#1861251 - 08/28/03 11:39 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think maya was the place my friend got his seeds from - the ones that made him struggle for breath for hours.
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Blammo300
Registered: 11/12/02
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Re: HBWR [Re: ]
#1863393 - 08/29/03 04:55 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree with paradis somewhat, we should not try to bring to much attention to the HBWS and its magical effects. Tho I do not think it will be as popular as shrooms and others because of the extreme nausea. Unless they find a extract solution that works 100% on eliminating nausea, which would be great because the HBWS trip is a great one. The intense body high and clear thoughts make it one of my favorites.
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theshiftingwalls
Divine state
Registered: 06/18/03
Posts: 4,128
Loc: Residing in thee Universa...
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Some lab should try to extract %100 LSA out of HBWR and make it very strong and pure LSA. Then there is some possibility of blotter sheets.
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GernBlanston
unintended sideeffect
Registered: 05/28/03
Posts: 842
Loc: OR
Last seen: 2 years, 6 months
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Re: HBWR [Re: ]
#1864419 - 08/29/03 11:46 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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There are extraction methods out there for HBWR seeds. They are not for the feint of heart (read: organic chemistry involved...)
However, allow me to remind you... while HBWR seeds are not controlled, and it is legal to possess them, LSA is a controlled substance. Extraction of LSA from the seeds is, therefore, not a legal act. So I would also caution anyone from pointing to any extraction methods specifically.
But that's just me. I'm in a paranoid mood today 
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iopener
psychonaut
Registered: 08/17/03
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Loc: uk
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Re: HBWR [Re: ]
#1865093 - 08/30/03 05:18 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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People getting sickness, lethargy and muscle cramps are you peeling off the fuzzy coating as this is what commonly causes nausea. I have got 8 seeds from www.kingbong.com a while back and am wondering what to do with them whether to try and grow some, take 2 seeds with mushrooms or get a friend and have four each.
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theshiftingwalls
Divine state
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Re: HBWR [Re: iopener]
#1865151 - 08/30/03 06:35 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Warning www.maya-ethnobotanicals.com have bunk HBWR seeds. They come from India..
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theshiftingwalls
Divine state
Registered: 06/18/03
Posts: 4,128
Loc: Residing in thee Universa...
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Real HBWR have a thick coat of fuzz. They are also very tiny seeds.
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theshiftingwalls
Divine state
Registered: 06/18/03
Posts: 4,128
Loc: Residing in thee Universa...
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Also very sharp edges.
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theshiftingwalls
Divine state
Registered: 06/18/03
Posts: 4,128
Loc: Residing in thee Universa...
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Innerexotics.com is the way to go!
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Mydriasis
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Registered: 01/16/03
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Loc: Europa
Last seen: 18 years, 10 months
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Anyone know if "of the jungle" is still around? They used to sell HBWR real cheap, in huge amounts, sold it like any seed. They used to be the place for alot of stuff years ago, before all the internet vendors came along. They never had a site, just a mailorder service. Have not heard anything about them for a few years.
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eggystardust
Viva elDirector!
Registered: 06/25/03
Posts: 364
Last seen: 13 years, 4 months
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I just sent out a money order to innerexotics for 50 seeds, they seem like a very good and friendly dealer based on their emails! I'll tell ya how it goes when I get 'em...
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Blammo300
Registered: 11/12/02
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Last seen: 11 months, 6 days
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I have tried seeds from 3 diffrent vendors and with innerexotics I have a better high and less nausea. I would highly recommend them.
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Xochitl
synchronicitycircuit
Registered: 07/15/03
Posts: 1,241
Loc: the brainforest
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Here is some info courtesy of the Ethnobotanical forum about proper HBWR identification:
http://www.jlhudsonseeds.com/ArgyreiaID.htm
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rt=all&vc=1
With woodrose, you definitely want argyreia nervosa, the real hawaiian baby woodrose seeds. Fresh seeds is a must, as well.
hope this helps 
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-Donald Rumsfeld 2/2/02 Pentagon
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