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OfflineHollywood2.0
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Long time grower having problems, needing a change of pace!
    #18454740 - 06/22/13 01:31 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I've been using a beefed up PF tek method that I modified some, for about 6 years now. Lately my fruits and yields are pitiful looking, using the exact same methods I've used before and gotten great results from. I'm not sure what the problem is, since I've tried everything I can think of to regenerate some better looking and heavier fruits. My fruits used to come in clusters on the cakes; strong, fat, long, very healthy looking and nice. Now they are skinny, weak, short, and ugly, and surrounded by aborts that are almost entirely covering the cakes at times. It's like the cakes start to produce the mammoth, bulbous clusters of nice fruits I'm shooting for, and stalling out to leave a mess of aborted junk all over them. I need a very seasoned grower(s) to correspond with me here and help me get to the bottom of my problem. I've been using the exact same genetics, through taking prints and making my own syringes for the last six years. Then I commence to inoculating  a few hundred sterilized PF type jars, wait for them to fully colonize, then birth them into the grow chambers, which all have a fancy ultrasonic humidification mist being piped into them (there's 8 grow boxes all together). I have what I believe to be a killer setup that's very efficient. It has worked wonders before and brought me pounds from the regularly large batches of PF jars that I prepare. But now it's hit or miss. And it's more often becoming a miss. Can someone that really knows what they are doing, correspond with me here and see if they can shed some light on my problems of pitiful looking fruits and yields. PLEASE HELP ME! I will be glad to provide and info and pictures to aid in the diagnosis!

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200 PF tek jars, innocculated with Ecquador spores which I prepare myself from prints.
The jars are left in a dark space to colonize for around 4 weeks, then I move them into some natural light to initiate pinning. Birth the cakes (All 200 of them!) with no dunk and roll technique or anything, just straight from the jar to the grow boxes with ultrasonic mist piped in. Then within a week or 2 I'm getting harvestable fruits which are ALWAYS in various stages of development. I have to pick and choose which ones to take. Biggest issue is, I'm getting a LOT of aborts. I've had entire cakes cover in pins that get to maybe a centimeter long and just stall out completely. This is a frequent problem and the healthy happy fruits are few and far between the unhappy ones. Please someone help! I can provide any information you might need see where I'm going wrong and explain my process further, which has worked wonders before I'll say again!

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OfflineMidnight Cyclone
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Re: Long time grower having problems, needing a change of pace! [Re: Hollywood2.0]
    #18454755 - 06/22/13 01:36 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

If you've been using the same genetics all this time, I'd call it senescence.

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Re: Long time grower having problems, needing a change of pace! [Re: Midnight Cyclone]
    #18454762 - 06/22/13 01:41 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Senescence happens w cultures not ms.

U sho dunk and roll. Wat u sho rly do is bulk or sum other sort of tek. Id suggest violets waste no grain tek


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Re: Long time grower having problems, needing a change of pace! [Re: PrinceShroom]
    #18454805 - 06/22/13 02:09 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I also though senescence didnt happen when using fresh spores? That's how I've always done it. 1 out of 3 grows gets me good results. So many aborts are just making problems though. The whole process is very time consuming to say the least because its on a large scale. And to get poor results from all that work is discouraging. I am very tempted to try a bulk method. Especially if it will produce better results and save me a lot of hassle. I'm just leary about having to buy a bunch of new materials and equipment to do it that way. I've got this massive PF tek thing down pretty good. If it would produce the same good results each time there wouldn't be any reason to switch. Will changes in temperature say maybe 10 degrees tops really affect anything so bad? The small space (closet) I have my setup in varies in temperature from maybe 70-82 degrees during the summer days. In winter it can go from 65-75 when I'll use a space heater. Could temperature fluctuation be a suspect? Also, my ultrasonic humidifier is on a timer to run for say, 30 minutes then come back on an hour and a half later for another 30 minutes and so on... I try not to keep them drenched, but just enough to do the job right. Maybe I could play around with those settings and find a balance? If its environmental manipulation, that's easy to fix, but a problem with the strain getting old or something is beyond my control. So does that happen when using fresh spores? Maybe taking spores from unhappy fruits is causing some "devolving" to happen?!?! IDK. ANY ideas are welcome

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Re: Long time grower having problems, needing a change of pace! [Re: Hollywood2.0]
    #18454823 - 06/22/13 02:21 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Welcome to the Shroomery! That being said give us some pics man, they are worth 1000's of words.....:cool:

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Re: Long time grower having problems, needing a change of pace! [Re: Hollywood2.0]
    #18454829 - 06/22/13 02:25 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Ahh, I somehow missed the MS part while scanning the paragraph, all I saw was this.

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Hollywood2.0 said:
I've been using the exact same genetics




IMO and IME pins are mushrooms that were happy but were then neglected in some sort of way and no longer had all conditions necessary for healthy growth (Humidity, FAE, certain temps, etc)

If you have a lot of aborts then something was right and then turned bad. Something like humidity inconsistency, or not enough FAE, and possibly the temperature flux like you mention. Although I think the temperature fluxuation shouldn't matter tremendously, try not to go above like 78F while fruiting cubensis. I noticed an increase in abortion if my temps went to 80+

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Re: Long time grower having problems, needing a change of pace! [Re: Hollywood2.0]
    #18454832 - 06/22/13 02:26 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I wouldnt think it is genetics because you are using MS. It wouldnt hurt to try a new print though.

Do the caps pop their veil before aborting? that would be a sign they're too dry.

Are the caps slimy or dripping? that might be too wet.

Also you can colonize the cakes in indirect sunlight, it is beneficial to them and wont trigger pinning.

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