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Miggy128
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Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

#18453005 - 06/21/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Habitat:
Where does it grow? Wood chips (moist) / NW GA
Gills:
black gills

Stem:
2-4 inches

Cap:
dime to quarter dollar sized

Spore print color:
Jet black

Bruising:
Cant tell

Other information:

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Ganzig
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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Miggy128]
#18453009 - 06/21/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think they were growing on wood chips as those are Panaeolus cinctulus.

Perhaps it was wood shavings and horse poo?

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Ganzig]
#18453248 - 06/21/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

:whathesaid:

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Miggy128
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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Blue-FunGuy]
#18453907 - 06/21/13 09:11 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

for sure? because.. I can get a lot of these

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Roger Wilco
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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Miggy128]
#18454161 - 06/21/13 10:20 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

That Top Cap looks much like what I've been finding, but I've been calling it Panaeolus papillonaceus. Mine are starting at a quarter sized though, so a bit bigger

This is an example of what Ive been finding

[url=http://imgur.com/a/2AVlc#0[/url]

Edited by Roger Wilco (06/21/13 10:23 PM)

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Ganzig
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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Roger Wilco]
#18454169 - 06/21/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Im sure. And that plant next to em is jewel weed. It has really beautiful flowers.

You are near a wetland or stream there?

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Joust
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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Ganzig]
#18454193 - 06/21/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I dont think those are P. cinctulus, im not sure what to think..

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Joust]
#18454210 - 06/21/13 10:36 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I see what you are saying Joust. But to me it looks like a dump spot for
horse poo.

OP we need your help. What is that area where they are growing?

Joust, Ill bet you a tank of gas that there is hpoo in that mess there.

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Joust
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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Ganzig]
#18454399 - 06/21/13 11:31 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

looks like chips, ill bet you a tank of gas for sure.. Cincts dont grow that gregariously on soil. And Im wondering why they are not spread out, like it would be if there was poo all over... maybe big buried piles of poo? Looks like P. paps to me, but i dont think they are that to me..

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Joust]
#18454403 - 06/21/13 11:33 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Considering calling them Psathyrella with really dark prints :shrug:

:shrug:

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Ganzig
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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Joust]
#18454645 - 06/22/13 12:53 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

OP this would not happen to be near Portland or Seattle would it?

I would just go check it out because you are right Joust, that gregarious growth
is crazy.

I still think they are Panaeolus sp.

I think they are cinctulus still. I don't think that it is a natural setting. The wood shavings tell me that. And look at the foot
print in the substrate. It just screams squishy poo. I have never said that
before. :lol:

:lol:

Squishy poo.

Ha!

Strange does not equal improbable.

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Joust
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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Ganzig]
#18454661 - 06/22/13 12:58 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Ganzig said:
OP this would not happen to be near Portland or Seattle would it?

I would just go check it out because you are right Joust, that gregarious growth
is crazy.

I still think they are Panaeolus sp.

I think they are cinctulus still. I don't think that it is a natural setting. The wood shavings tell me that. And look at the foot
print in the substrate. It just screams squishy poo. I have never said that
before.

Squishy poo.

Ha!

Strange does not equal improbable.

nice detective work on the squishy poo, oh i agree, i think they are Panaeolus sp.

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Joust]
#18454810 - 06/22/13 02:12 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I did notice one odd thing that makes me think they are Panaeolus papillonaceus. The first picture has the tell tale skirt Paps are known for.

Is it possible he's got both Cinct and Paps? Because in the habitat shot, the top left ones that haven't dropped their spores yet look like your typical mature Cincts with the flat caps.

I will say the spore load on the ground look pretty awesome regardless of which they are.

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Miggy128
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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Jimmyhunter1000]
#18455102 - 06/22/13 06:18 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I am near a stream. about 3 ft from the water. this is in Georgia. it may be horse poo lol. looks like wood chips to me. i'm heading there now. what else would you guys like to see?

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Ganzig]
#18455110 - 06/22/13 06:25 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Ganzig said:
I don't think they were growing on wood chips as those are Panaeolus cinctulus.

Perhaps it was wood shavings and horse poo?

Mulch, especially if collected from a local dump, can contain cow/horse manure brought in by local farmers gettin' rid of their shit (literally :tongue:

:tongue:

) The dump'll let you get rid of cleared brush, manure, felled trees, and they'll put it all through a woodchipper and compost it for ya. You can go and get it for free (minus the price of sweat).

I found this out when I loaded much down only to find several hundred Pan paps pop up. They did not come back the next year, meaning they exhausted their manure-enriched-food supply.

http://mushroomobserver.org/45849?q=1K8CW

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Miggy128
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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Ieponumos]
#18455181 - 06/22/13 07:30 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

from today's hunt

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Miggy128
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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Roger Wilco]
#18455187 - 06/22/13 07:33 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Roger Wilco said:
That Top Cap looks much like what I've been finding, but I've been calling it Panaeolus papillonaceus. Mine are starting at a quarter sized though, so a bit bigger

This is an example of what Ive been finding

http://imgur.com/a/2AVlc#0

those look a bit different than the ones i'm finding. mine don't split in that manner before they dry up. they just get wavy. their color is more brownish/silvery than yours. my gills are black and the stipe is tan to dark brown

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Miggy128]
#18455237 - 06/22/13 07:59 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Miggy128 said:

from today's hunt

1. Looks like you found a big patch of Conocybe. They are probably toxic.
2. Closeup of specimens from said big ol' patch. Conocybe sp., toxic.
3. Amanita muscaria var. persicina. Looks close macroscopically and a know patch in my location (NW GA) is fruiting more or less right now as well.

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Jimmyhunter1000]
#18455267 - 06/22/13 08:20 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Jimmyhunter1000 said:
I did notice one odd thing that makes me think they are Panaeolus papillonaceus. The first picture has the tell tale skirt Paps are known for.

Is it possible he's got both Cinct and Paps? Because in the habitat shot, the top left ones that haven't dropped their spores yet look like your typical mature Cincts with the flat caps.

I will say the spore load on the ground look pretty awesome regardless of which they are.

I agree with Panaeolus papillonaceus. In the first post you can see the annulus and they look identical to a lot of the P. paps I have found down here.

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Miggy128
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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Ieponumos]
#18455285 - 06/22/13 08:31 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

that particular Amanita is the size of two hands

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Miggy128
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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Joust]
#18455294 - 06/22/13 08:35 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Joust said:
looks like chips, ill bet you a tank of gas for sure.. Cincts dont grow that gregariously on soil. And Im wondering why they are not spread out, like it would be if there was poo all over... maybe big buried piles of poo? Looks like P. paps to me, but i dont think they are that to me..

they are growing spread out in 1ft by 2ft patches. I can walk 10 feet and find a patch here and there. are any of these active?

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Joust
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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Miggy128]
#18455442 - 06/22/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Miggy128 said:
Quote:

Joust said:
looks like chips, ill bet you a tank of gas for sure.. Cincts dont grow that gregariously on soil. And Im wondering why they are not spread out, like it would be if there was poo all over... maybe big buried piles of poo? Looks like P. paps to me, but i dont think they are that to me..

they are growing spread out in 1ft by 2ft patches. I can walk 10 feet and find a patch here and there. are any of these active?

i dont think so, if you took more pictures of the clusters we can tell you for sure.

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Miggy128]
#18455457 - 06/22/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Miggy128 said:
that particular Amanita is the size of two hands

Yup. Muscarias (and some Amanitas in general) can get pretty damn big. The biggest one I found was roughly the same size. Makes for a really good photo.

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Ieponumos]
#18455517 - 06/22/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Check this one out.

This is from back when I had all my hair. Oh How I miss you.

06 I think.

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Miggy128
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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Ganzig]
#18455993 - 06/22/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

what do you need to see from the patch pics?

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

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#18457557 - 06/22/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I think I have a few different species. here are pics of two sets of young ones.

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Miggy128]
#18457610 - 06/22/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

looks like chips, I dont think that is P. cinctulus, i dont know what species to consider...

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Joust]
#18457739 - 06/22/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Joust said:
looks like chips, I dont think that is P. cinctulus, i dont know what species to consider...

Panaeolus papilionaceus var. parvisporus?

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Ganzig]
#18457827 - 06/22/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Ganzig said:
Check this one out.

This is from back when I had all my hair. Oh How I miss you.

06 I think.

That's a bigass muscaria.

How fucked up did it get you?

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: TribalSkyGod]
#18457870 - 06/22/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

lol!

I did not eat it....

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Joust]
#18457952 - 06/22/13 07:38 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Miggy128
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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Miggy128]
#18458017 - 06/22/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

are we absolutely certain they are pans? if so I'll just eat them since no pans are toxic (right?)

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Miggy128]
#18460249 - 06/23/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think that the Amanita is A. muscaria var. persicina. Does anyone else see red stains near the top left edge of the cap? I'd suggest Amanita "amerirubescens".

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: suchen]
#18460451 - 06/23/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

suchen said:
Does anyone else see red stains near the top left edge of the cap?

I thought that was cap color remaining after being bleached by the sun.

Could be staining though. If so, then A. amerirubescens is a fine enough fit to me.

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Ieponumos]
#18461114 - 06/23/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

the Amanita is a brunnescens. I also found some LBM's growing out of sandy soil. i'm going to let them mature. this will be my hunt thread

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Miggy128]
#18461219 - 06/23/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Miggy128 said:
the Amanita is a brunnescens. I also found some LBM's growing out of sandy soil. i'm going to let them mature. this will be my hunt thread

That thing is too brightly colored to be A. brunnescens IMO. Maybe I'm wrong. :shrug:

:shrug:

Do you think you could put it on http://mushroomobserver.org and let Rod look at it? He could tell you if anyone can.

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Ieponumos]
#18461388 - 06/23/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I can't figure out that MO site

Edited by Miggy128 (06/23/13 05:27 PM)

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

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#18461617 - 06/23/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Miggy128 said:
sure. I'll put it up tonight!

Stuff

I hate to be the party foul, but open invitations like that are against rule 8 of this forum, brother. You might wanna edit that before a mod shakes his/her finger at you.

That's the kinda thing we do with :pm:

:pm:

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

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#18461763 - 06/23/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

thanks!

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Miggy128]
#18461828 - 06/23/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Miggy128 said:
I can't figure out that MO site

Do you want me to upload it for you and credit you?

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

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#18461978 - 06/23/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

here are the sandy LBM

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Miggy128]
#18462709 - 06/23/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Miggy128 said:
here are the sandy LBM

Reminds me of a small Galerina species.

Here's the Amanita,

http://mushroomobserver.org/137443

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Ieponumos]
#18476039 - 06/26/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

the pans are sprouting up today. they should be ready soon. I'll get pics of them before they get covered in black spores

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

[Re: Miggy128]
#18481079 - 06/27/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

here are the small guys

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[Re: Miggy128]
#18483083 - 06/28/13 08:30 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

the rain killed them last night. There are still remnants of the last flush. all dried up in black

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

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Re: Black spore print, dome shape. Thoughts?

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#18487588 - 06/29/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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