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Please help me figure out what is wrong with my P.E.
    #18442065 - 06/19/13 12:04 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

So I basically made this exact thread a few months ago and I'm still having problems.
I took all the advice from that thread and still can't figure out what's wrong.
Here is my last thread I use to know how to grow in case you want to check it out.

My humidity is right,I know they are getting good FAE because I see no fuzzy feet.
I've tried set and forget and I've tried misting and fanning and it's like I literally get the same thing every time.

I've stuffed my bottom holes tight and top ones lose and vice versa and have tired it with all of them loose.
I tried what RR suggested and took all the polyfil out and just misted.
They all end up the same

I thought maybe I was over misting because I know that can mess things up but not misting still don't help.

I bought a Kelway Soil Moisture Probe just to check my water content and it's right on.
So I'm getting the sub to proper field capacity.
I can't figure out what else to do and this is driving me crazy.
I'm actually becoming  depressed by this.

Here is my current tub,it's Coir/verm and gypsum pasteurized properly .
It's P.E. on the first flush,I know P.E. puts out a real flush the second time but even then they are not growing.
Check out my gallery of my past grows.
You can see a difference between the P.E. first flushes I use to get and what I get now.
Instead of blobs I'm getting pebbles.

This one I'm not misting and fan it out maybe 3 times a day.
It's a little hot in my room so I'm having to mist the walls,This isn't the problem because it's just now getting hot and this has been going on for months.
The problems were the same even when my temps were at 70.
It's 80 now :mad2:
It's been fruiting for 8 days.

I have a fan running in the room and I added a humidifier next to the tub.
My ambient RH is in the 70's
You can see it in one of the pictures I have ,it's next to my tub besides some ATL jars...at least those are growing lol

The tubs don't contaminate so I know that's not it.
I chunk them after 3 flushes with no contamination present.
Everything is fine until I open the tubs to introduce fruiting conditions.
The pin set comes in but they just won't grow.

I know these things grow themselves but for some reason they won't grow for me anymore.
I just don't understand why I use to get flushes like in my sig then all the sudden I'm getting nothing.

Here are some current pics.
I can already predict I'll get a little over a half OZ and the second flush will give me 1 oz...they all turn out like that now.
I use to get around 2 and a half the first flush and 4 to 5 the next flush.



Thank you for any help guys,I appreciate it.
Don't hold back,I won't get butthurt.
I just want to figure out what's wrong and fix it.


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Re: Please help me figure out what is wrong with my P.E. [Re: amungus]
    #18442085 - 06/19/13 12:09 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Are you doing MS each time, or are you using the same culture?

My first guess is bad genetics, but if it's MS each time, then you wouldn't reasonably expect it to be that bad every time. It's possible that your luck is just that bad, but I doubt it.

If you're using the same culture, you've probably run into senescence and need to start over from spores.


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Re: Please help me figure out what is wrong with my P.E. [Re: amungus]
    #18442124 - 06/19/13 12:19 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

They have all been M.S.
I was working with clones and I thought the same thing you just said.
I then went back to M.S. and the problems were still there.
That's when I figured out something wasn't right.


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Re: Please help me figure out what is wrong with my P.E. [Re: amungus]
    #18442138 - 06/19/13 12:22 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

If you can get it to push out even one good fruit, clone that and see what happens.

Are you consolidating before introducing fruiting? That can help with PE.

Maybe try casing a tub. I usually say Cubensis doesn't need it, but if you can't get shit right, it may help.


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A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.

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i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.

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Re: Please help me figure out what is wrong with my P.E. [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #18442222 - 06/19/13 12:41 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I can try that,I'll pour some plates tonight.
It's just the two decent ones that popped up have already ripped their veil.
I wait for the cap to start bruising before I pick P.E.

Think that will be a problem,I've always grabbed clones as pins.
I have peat/verm and lime,I've never cased before but I have the materials because I know other species need a casing layer and I do want to work with other species one day.
I just have to figure this out first before I move on.
I know if I'm having problems with cubes then other species are out of the question.
I have some Wollongongs I did g2g transfers on a few days ago that should be ready soon.
I'll case them and see what happens.

I've tried it both ways,I use to wait for a few pins before I opened the tub but another member in my last thread suggested I try at 100 percent colonization
It was the same thing.
Truthfully,it feels like I am growing the same crappy isolate over and over because every tub ends up the same but I know that's impossible lol


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Re: Please help me figure out what is wrong with my P.E. [Re: amungus]
    #18442439 - 06/19/13 01:29 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

You'll be fine to clone one you already have. I always let mine mostly mature to make sure of what genetics I'm getting.

I'd pick it now, bag it up and toss it in the fridge till you have some plates ready.


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A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.

bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.

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Re: Please help me figure out what is wrong with my P.E. [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #18442535 - 06/19/13 01:50 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for your input man,I appreciate it.
I'll do that as soon as I get done typing.


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Re: Please help me figure out what is wrong with my P.E. [Re: amungus]
    #18442723 - 06/19/13 02:29 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Whats wrong? MS. I keep seeing this thing being posted about PE and it seems to be known for not really being a good performer. That you have to either clone and isolate, or start out on agar and go through single sector isolates until you find one that works good.

Infact pretty much most varietys grown from spores will be like this (maybe not as bad as pe) but the final outcome is never going to be stellar or all the same looking, or all come at once, or in clusters etc.

I have the exact same thing happening with Golden Teacher. I had 1 mini mono put out an impressive dense flush (there wasnt actually enough room for them all to grow and they ended up tangled together) was something like 190g from a tiny tub. 400ml grain jar spawned to 2 400ml jars of horsemanure (no verm just manure)

all of my other tubs have put out between 100-115 grams first flush. Everything about each tub has been the same, but that 1 just went all out.

Thats multispore for you.


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Re: Please help me figure out what is wrong with my P.E. [Re: amungus]
    #18443305 - 06/19/13 04:30 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

The tubs in my sig were all M.S.
I had pretty consistent results with P.E. M.S. until about 6 or 7 months ago.

I had a friend tell me that ripping up my carpet must have affected the conditions in my room.
I now know that can't be it because the conditions are still right inside the tubs :shrug:

I thought maybe it could be the 32W T8's I had bought but back when I was getting good tubs all I had was a small CFL.

Here was one of my last good tubs,it was a clone

Once the problems started I thought the clone was just old so I started over from spores.
Now everything turns out like this.


Thanks for your input man :thumbup:


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Re: Please help me figure out what is wrong with my P.E. [Re: amungus]
    #18443512 - 06/19/13 05:13 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I read through the other thread and this one... man this is a mystery!

Have you changed anything with where you buy your supplies (coir,verm,gypsum,etc) or changed brands on any of them? Any way you could have introduced any type of fungicide, such as with a change in brand of coir? Maybe if you list everything you're using it might spark an idea for someone to help you out here?!

Have you somehow got your ratio wrong and accidently overkilled your PH?

Don't mention a vendor, of course, but have you changed where the spores have come from? or tried to change where you are getting your spores?

Look over your whole procedure and see what has changed, if anything has.. even the smallest thing. Maybe you've heated your coir too high during prep and killed valuable nutrients? Does your sub pull away from the sides like it used to when you could actually get a tub to fruit for you?

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Re: Please help me figure out what is wrong with my P.E. [Re: Midnight Cyclone]
    #18443558 - 06/19/13 05:25 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

They don't put fungicides in coir.  Even if they did, it would only impair spore germination, not live mycelium. and short of setting it on fire your not to worry about losing nutes


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Re: Please help me figure out what is wrong with my P.E. [Re: cronicr]
    #18443595 - 06/19/13 05:34 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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They don't put fungicides in coir.  Even if they did, it would only impair spore germination, not live mycelium. and short of setting it on fire your not to worry about losing nutes




Couple things,
Thanks for clearing up fungicide idea..
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You can't overheat coir, like you can poo? (besides setting a flame to it)

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Re: Please help me figure out what is wrong with my P.E. [Re: Midnight Cyclone]
    #18443609 - 06/19/13 05:36 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

not with pasturizing, you can sterilize it and still use it so there's no issue there:thumbup:


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Re: Please help me figure out what is wrong with my P.E. [Re: cronicr]
    #18443629 - 06/19/13 05:41 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Ah, that's right. Pasteurizing just retains some of the "good" germs that sterilization kills; doesn't affect nutes.

Always on top of your shit :thumbup:

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Re: Please help me figure out what is wrong with my P.E. [Re: veda_sticks]
    #18443949 - 06/19/13 07:02 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Whats wrong? MS.



This.
Clone as soon as you can.  It doesn't really matter what, so long as it has fruiting genetics in it.
What's your spawn/verm/coir ratios?

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Re: Please help me figure out what is wrong with my P.E. [Re: StygianKnight]
    #18444602 - 06/19/13 09:19 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I've been using the same stuff since I started.
Eco earth coir,stay green verm and the same bag of gypsum I've had for ...man over a year at least lol
I use the same spore suppler also.
I've used manure with the same results.
The only reason I'm using coir now is because I don't want to waste my manure until this is solved.

The only changes I can think of is the lights ( 32w t8 )and the carpet.
My problems did start around the time I ripped it up but like I said everything is straight in the tub.
Humidity stays over 95 and FAE is good because I see no fuzzy feet.

I pasteurize at 160 for an hour and fifteen minuets.
I use 5 quarts of spawn to either 1 brick of coir , 3 quarts of verm and half a cup of gypsum or 14 quarts of manure/verm/gypsum when I go that route.
When I use manure I use RR's recipe.

I'm going to try cloning one of the fruits but I was using a proven clone when the troubles began.

I fruited that clone a few times then it started performing poorly .
That's when I went back to spore and ever since then the tubs started looking exactly like they do now.

I try to read as much as I possibly can without making new threads every time I fruit tubs but I'm at a loss and I can't find anything that I don't already know.

I think I might have pissed off the mushroom gods or something but damn them if they think I'm giving up :shakefist:


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Re: Please help me figure out what is wrong with my P.E. [Re: amungus]
    #18446287 - 06/20/13 09:40 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

It wouldn't be your materials, it'd be either genetic or environmental. Since your environment seems good, it's gotta be genetic.


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A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.

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i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.

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Re: Please help me figure out what is wrong with my P.E. [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #18449750 - 06/20/13 10:29 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

If you think the carpet removal is the variable then just slap down a small piece of carpet (or some insulator from the concrete) under your tub.

See if that works for you.. im with you here, truly at a loss.

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Re: Please help me figure out what is wrong with my P.E. [Re: amungus]
    #18449930 - 06/20/13 11:14 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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I fruited that clone a few times then it started performing poorly .
That's when I went back to spore



Your clone senesced (got old) and you switched to spores.  Sounds like a change.

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Re: Please help me figure out what is wrong with my P.E. [Re: StygianKnight]
    #18450199 - 06/21/13 12:56 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

This is a long shot, but some coir companies wash out the calcium used in the manufacturing process, others don't, which could effect PH.  Maybe your coir company switched procedures and the ph is too high?

good luck on this...

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