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liljdub
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When is the best time to pick fruits??
#18450145 - 06/21/13 12:37 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Before the caps break or after?? And if after than how long after??
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Re: When is the best time to pick fruits?? [Re: liljdub]
#18450149 - 06/21/13 12:38 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Right after the veil tears for maximum potency to weight ratio.
When the cap opens up and flattens out for printing.
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Re: When is the best time to pick fruits?? [Re: PussyFart]
#18450151 - 06/21/13 12:39 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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the amount of search bar neglect on this site is really astonishing.
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Re: When is the best time to pick fruits?? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18450189 - 06/21/13 12:53 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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well I was reading some arguments between pre cap break and post cap break harvests and have read many times that pins are "more potent" as well as different sizes not having any difference in potency so I was trying to get some fresh perspective on the original question as well as a few others that were similar. If the pins are gonna be just as potent as their soon to be fully developed fruit bodies, than why not pick them as soon as they are about an inch big to make room for more?? Resulting in getting more potency out of the amount of weight you have!!
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Re: When is the best time to pick fruits?? [Re: liljdub]
#18450193 - 06/21/13 12:54 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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maximum potency to weight ratio?? Elaborate in layman's terms haha
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Re: When is the best time to pick fruits?? [Re: PussyFart]
#18450210 - 06/21/13 01:00 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Notahacker420 said: Right after the veil tears for maximum potency to weight ratio.
It doesn't get much more simpler than how he already said it.
After the veil tears they pretty much just gain water weight I believe.
Edited by TrentBoyett (06/21/13 01:02 AM)
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Re: When is the best time to pick fruits?? [Re: TrentBoyett]
#18450282 - 06/21/13 01:29 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
mjmihalov said:
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Notahacker420 said: Right after the veil tears for maximum potency to weight ratio.
It doesn't get much more simpler than how he already said it.
After the veil tears they pretty much just gain water weight I believe.
ok so pins aren't more potent than full grown fruits?? and do you lose any potency when the spores fall??
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Re: When is the best time to pick fruits?? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18450283 - 06/21/13 01:29 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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rbalzer said: the amount of search bar neglect on this site is really astonishing.
this search engine kinda sucks
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Re: When is the best time to pick fruits?? [Re: liljdub]
#18450286 - 06/21/13 01:32 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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pins are still more potent BY WEIGHT.
I make good use of the search. you know how to switch between searching site and forum right?
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Re: When is the best time to pick fruits?? [Re: liljdub]
#18450292 - 06/21/13 01:34 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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liljdub said:
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rbalzer said: the amount of search bar neglect on this site is really astonishing.
this search engine kinda sucks
Not if you know how to use it.
Use the filters.....
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Re: When is the best time to pick fruits?? [Re: PussyFart]
#18450347 - 06/21/13 02:05 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Maybe I don't know how. I just click message board and go to the search engine. Is there a better way?? I guess I don't understand the difference between the search engine in the top right hand corner and the one at the bottom. Maybe I don't understand the site completely. I would like to understand the difference, however, rude comments (and there are many) aren't helping.
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Re: When is the best time to pick fruits?? [Re: PussyFart]
#18450412 - 06/21/13 02:34 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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No one was really rude, but here ya go.
Click on the top right above the search bar that says "search our forums".
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Notahacker420 said:
That will take you to the advanced search page where you type in what words to search for and apply certain filters.
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Notahacker420 said:

Here are some tips on using it. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/searchtips.php
Edited by TrentBoyett (06/21/13 02:37 AM)
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Re: When is the best time to pick fruits?? [Re: TrentBoyett]
#18450423 - 06/21/13 02:39 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is there an abbreviation page cause that could be helpful. What is coir??
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Re: When is the best time to pick fruits?? [Re: liljdub]
#18450438 - 06/21/13 02:46 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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basicly shortly after it's a pin it has everything there already including mass and potency, it just starts pumping it's cells full of water to "grow"
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Re: When is the best time to pick fruits?? [Re: cronicr]
#18450440 - 06/21/13 02:49 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mushroom Cultivation Abbreviations
50/50 = 50% vermiculite/50% peat moss aq. = aqueous (water based) BRF = Brown Rice Flour CFL(s) = Compact Florescent Light bulb(s) coir = coco coir; coconut fiber; coconut "hair" contam = contamination DNR = Dunk N' Roll FAE = Fresh Air Exchange FC = Fruiting Chamber G2G = Grain to Grain [transfer] GB = Glove Box GE = Gas Exchange GH = Green House GLC = Grain Liquid Culture HEPA = High Efficiency Particulate Arrestor hpoo = horse manure inoc = inoculate or inoculant karo = A brand of light corn syrup (dextrose) LC = Liquid Culture LME = Light Malt Extract Martha = "Martha Stewart everyday stationary storage closet", a shelf inside a zippered plastic cover MEA = Malt Extract Agar MS = Multi-Spore MT = Mono Tub myc = mycelium PC = Pressure Cooker; sometimes used as shorthand for P. cubensis PDA = Potato Dextrose Agar PF = Psilocybe Fanaticus, author of the "PF Tek" pin = primordia, the beginning of a mushroom fruit body PMP = Poor Man's Pod PSI = Pounds per Square Inch RH = Relative Humidity RR = RogerRabbit SAB = Still-Air Box SFD('s)= Synthetic Filter-Disks SGFC = Shot Gun Fruiting Chamber SWIM = Someone Who Isn't Me tek = technique TiT = Tub in Tub TMC = Paul Stamets' "The Mushroom Cultivator" Trich. = Trichoderma verm = vermiculite WBS = Wild Bird Seed
---------------------------------------------------- Mycological and OMC abbreviations by FastFred (Shroomery) Copyright 2007 ----------------------------------------------------
50/50 = 50% vermiculite/50% peat moss 50/50 = 50/50 with gypsum, lime, or oyster shell added to buffer the pH AA = All American (Company that makes the best pressure cookers) AAPC = All American Pressure Cooker aq. = aqueous (water based) BE = Biological Efficiency BRF = Brown Rice Flour BT = Bacillus thuringiensis, (i.e. Gnatrol) kills fungus gnats and other pests CEV = Closed Eye Visuals CFM = Cubic Feet per Minute coir = coco coir; coconut fiber; coconut "hair" contam = contamination D&R = Dunk & Roll DDI = Double distilled De-Ionized water DE = Diatomaceous Earth DEC = Double Ended Casing dH2O = distilled H2O (water) DI = De-Ionized water DNR = Dunk N' Roll DT = Double Tub EtOH = Ethanol FAE = Fresh Air Exchange FFAE = Frequent Fresh Air Exchange FC = Fruiting Chamber FH = Flow Hood FOAF = Friend Of A Friend FSR = Free Spore Ring G2G = Grain to Grain [transfer] GB = Glove Box GGMM = Paul Stamets' "Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms" H2O2 = Hydrogen Peroxide (3% is the standard available concentration) HEPA = High Efficiency Particulate Arrestor hpoo = horse manure HW = Honey Water inoc = inoculate or inoculant IPA = IsoPropyl Alcohol IYE = In Your Experience karo = A brand of light corn syrup (dextrose) KOH = Potassium (K) Hydroxide (OH), a strong base LC = Liquid Culture LS = Lab Strain Martha = "Martha Stewart everyday stationary storage closet", a shelf inside a zippered plastic cover MC = MonoCulture or Mushroom Community MeOH = Methanol MIC = Minimum Inhibitory Concentration MMGG = Magic Mushroom Growers Guide MS = Multi-Spore MSI = Multi-Spore Inoculation MT = Mono Tub myc = mycelium Mycotopia = A ripoff mushroom site which even stole this guide! noc = inoculate nock = inoculate OEV = Open Eye Visuals OMC = Online Mushroom Community ORF = Organic Rye Flour OTD = Off Topic Discussion; a forum for... yep you guessed it! OZ = Ounce PAM = PolyAcrylaMide, moisture absorbent crystals PC = Pressure Cooker; sometimes used as shorthand for P. cubensis PF = Psilocybe Fanaticus, author of the "PF Tek" pin = primordia, the beginning of a mushroom fruit body PM = Private Message (click the little dot left of the name to send one) PMP = Poor Man's Pod poo = poop, manure ppt. = precipitate QP = Quarter Pound RH = Relative Humidity RO = Reverse Osmosis, as in RO water RTF = Read The FAQ RTV = Room Temperature Vulcanization (a type of rubber sealant) SBI = Single Basidiospore Isolate soln = solution SWIM = Someone Who Isn't Me tek = technique TiT = Tub in Tub TLA = Three Letter Acronym TMC = Paul Stamets' "The Mushroom Cultivator" topia = mycotopia, a shroomery knockoff created to sell Hippie3's products. v/v = volume/volume verm = vermiculite VOC = Volitile Organic Chemical w/v = weight/volume WAF = Wisconsin Aluminum Foundry (Makers of the All American brand) WBS = Wild Bird Seed WT = Wild Type
ID = Inner Diameter OD = Outer Diameter
------------------------------------------------------------ Species abbreviations ------------------------------------------------------------ azures = Psilocybe azurescens copes = Copelandia cyanescens cubes = Psilocybe cubensis cyans = Psilocybe cyanescens (a woodlover, often confused with pans) libs = Psilocybe semilanceata (AKA Liberty Caps) mexis = Psilocybe mexicana (often confused with P. cubensis "Mexican") pans = Panaeolus cyanescens (a dung lover, often confused with cyans) subbs = Panaeolus subbalteatus (often confused with subs) subs = Psilocybe subaeruginosa (often confused with subbs)
------------------------------------------------------------ Common internet acronyms you should know ------------------------------------------------------------ abv. = abbreviation AFA = As Far As AFAIK = As Far As I Know ATM = At The Moment BFE = Bum-Fuck Egypt BTW = By The Way ETA = Estimated Time of Arrival FOAF = Friend Of A Friend GJ = Good Job GL = Good Luck GTFO = Get The Fuck Out IDK = I Don't Know IIRC = If I Remember Correctly IME = In My Experience IMHO = In My Humble Opinion IMO = In My Opinion KISS = Keep It Simple Stupid LMAO = Laughing My Ass Off mod = moderator OFM = Oh Fuck Me OMG = Oh My God OMFG = Oh My Fucking God OTOH = On The Other Hand PITA = Pain In The Ass ppl = people pwn me plz = own me please (asking to be put in their place) RTF = Read The FAQ RTFM = Read The Fucking Manual STFU = Shut The Fuck Up SWIM = Someone Who Isn't Me TC = Take Care TIA = Thanks In Advance TLC = Tender Loving Care TY = Thank You UTFSE = Use The Fucking Search Engine wot = what, (I guess that extra letter is just too much.) WTF = What The Fuck YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary
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Edited by PussyFart (06/21/13 02:50 AM)
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Re: When is the best time to pick fruits?? [Re: PussyFart]
#18450445 - 06/21/13 02:52 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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BFE
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Re: When is the best time to pick fruits?? [Re: liljdub]
#18450450 - 06/21/13 02:54 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Abbreviations http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11478115#11478115
"Coir is the fibrous material found between the hard, internal shell and the outer coat of a coconut."
It's used in bulk substrates.
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Re: When is the best time to pick fruits?? [Re: TrentBoyett]
#18450455 - 06/21/13 02:58 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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i think they look coolest before the veil rips. look at the veil, when you see a little tear near the cap then its good to go.
im also on the edge as to what all the confusion is on dose and if one big shroom has the same or aroubd the same as one that was small.
as far as i understand the mushrooms only get big cos the soak up water like a sponge. they dont cell divide. ill go out there to say it, i think that no mater what the size thy can have all around the same potency.
for example, i took 1 gram of one inch long cambos on a monday, it was pretty good, nice faint visuals, reaaly intense color and everything that goes with it
but then three days later i are again but this time 1.33 which wasnr much more, but consisted double ammount of shroom bodies as my fruits keep getting smaller, and i went way off the edge. i was afraid at times, everything was melting and parerns were flying everywhere. it was crazy!!
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Re: When is the best time to pick fruits?? [Re: skeletontiger]
#18452393 - 06/21/13 03:06 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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I read RR's thing and he said that the pins are just as potent as the fully developed fruits.
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Re: When is the best time to pick fruits?? [Re: liljdub]
#18452410 - 06/21/13 03:09 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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liljdub said: I read RR's thing and he said that the pins are just as potent as the fully developed fruits.
yep, soon after it's a pin it just starts ballooning up and lining it's spore trajectory
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