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Growth
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confused about the whole a cube is a cube is a cube is a...
#18448327 - 06/20/13 05:31 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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so ive heard this phrase for years and for the most part, believe it, but why is PE an exception? what makes PE any dif from any other cube? i have grown PE a few times and i know they are different, but they are also a cube.
you could say im cubefused...
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36fuckin5
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Re: confused about the whole a cube is a cube is a cube is a... [Re: Growth]
#18448332 - 06/20/13 05:32 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's a mutant.
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bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.
These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.
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Growth
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Re: confused about the whole a cube is a cube is a cube is a... [Re: 36fuckin5]
#18448348 - 06/20/13 05:35 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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thats it? thats a little disappointing... are there any other cubeceptions...
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ganjfather
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Re: confused about the whole a cube is a cube is a cube is a... [Re: Growth]
#18448353 - 06/20/13 05:36 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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PE is still a cube, but PEs are more potent. If you have grown them, then you know that I'm sure.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I think I remember, some scientist dude engineered the PE to be a fast colonizing and super potent strain of cubensis.
PE is a cube high on meth.
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Growth
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Re: confused about the whole a cube is a cube is a cube is a... [Re: ganjfather]
#18448364 - 06/20/13 05:39 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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they def have a kick to them.
i have a feeling im going to treat these treasure coasts as if they were an unwanted step child, but i only put up with them cause of the hot mom. she has a bangin face and an ass to follow.
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UltimateAnswer
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Re: confused about the whole a cube is a cube is a cube is a... [Re: Growth]
#18448402 - 06/20/13 05:47 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Growth said:

they def have a kick to them.
i have a feeling im going to treat these treasure coasts as if they were an unwanted step child, but i only put up with them cause of the hot mom. she has a bangin face and an ass to follow.
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cubenpete
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Re: confused about the whole a cube is a cube is a cube is a... [Re: Growth]
#18448414 - 06/20/13 05:48 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Easily twice the strength IMHO. Love Them!
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Psilicon
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Re: confused about the whole a cube is a cube is a cube is a... [Re: Growth]
#18448420 - 06/20/13 05:50 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Growth said: thats it? thats a little disappointing... are there any other cubeceptions...

Well, saying something is a mutant is saying that it has different DNA. We're all genetic organisms, so I'd never acknowledge something is a mutant and say, "that's it?" I mean, saying it's a mutant is really just another way of saying it's fundamentally different than all the other cubes.
In this case, what people mean to say is that it has a mutation that causes differences in the shape and size of the mushroom, potency, its fruiting pattern and other aspects of its behavior. Since all of these arose at once, and since they all seem to breed true, this means that it's most likely to be a single mutation at a very basic level that affects nearly everything about this mushroom, rather than a cosmetic issue like the stripes that occur with varying boldness in P. galindoi. Survivors of mutations on this level are hard to find, making such finds exceptionally rare. That's why people don't (yet) say, "Cubes are cubes are cubes...except penis envy and <other mutant>."
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UltimateAnswer
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Re: confused about the whole a cube is a cube is a cube is a... [Re: Growth]
#18448470 - 06/20/13 05:58 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Since I've came back to these forums it seems a lot of people say PE is more potent than other cubes. The amount of testimonials from people on here makes me want to try and get a print on these and try them for myself. Can't wait until I can join the marketplace
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ganjfather
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Re: confused about the whole a cube is a cube is a cube is a... [Re: UltimateAnswer]
#18448515 - 06/20/13 06:06 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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UltimateAnswer said: Since I've came back to these forums it seems a lot of people say PE is more potent than other cubes. The amount of testimonials from people on here makes me want to try and get a print on these and try them for myself. Can't wait until I can join the marketplace
You've been here long enough, just make some posts and you could be in the marketplace in a couple days.
But... you gotta be able to mess with agar if you want to mess with PEs
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Re: confused about the whole a cube is a cube is a cube is a... [Re: ganjfather]
#18448548 - 06/20/13 06:13 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nice. And as far as your comment about needing to do agar for PE why is that? You can't just make a syringe or lc and innoc from there?
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cubenpete
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Re: confused about the whole a cube is a cube is a cube is a... [Re: UltimateAnswer]
#18448652 - 06/20/13 06:36 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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You can make an LC (which is fraught with failure), also PE and variants of it do not drop spores. As explained to me last week, the GMO that is PE caps to not open enough to sporulate. So with agar you can make clones from tissue samples or swab the gill to get the spores.
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Growth
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Re: confused about the whole a cube is a cube is a cube is a... [Re: UltimateAnswer]
#18448660 - 06/20/13 06:38 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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UltimateAnswer said: Nice. And as far as your comment about needing to do agar for PE why is that? You can't just make a syringe or lc and innoc from there?
what makes agar superior?
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Psilicon
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Re: confused about the whole a cube is a cube is a cube is a... [Re: Growth]
#18448720 - 06/20/13 06:52 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Most sporeprints aren't done in sterile conditions, and most fruiting chambers aren't sterile either. You will have contaminants in a sporeprint, and agar is the best way to isolate from these by far.
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Growth
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Re: confused about the whole a cube is a cube is a cube is a... [Re: Psilicon]
#18448793 - 06/20/13 07:11 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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sounds complicated...
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Pastywhyte
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Re: confused about the whole a cube is a cube is a cube is a... [Re: Growth]
#18448849 - 06/20/13 07:23 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not really. Agar is not difficult and the beauty of it is that it you fuck up a transfer and get a contam, just transfer away from the contam. Agar is pretty much the only way to guarantee a clean inoculate because you can see if its contamed before you use it. Its also great to clone, and also can be used to isolate monoculture's.
The best thing is that once you find some genetics you like, you can keep them going forever in a slant. That means all your grows from those genetics will share similar traits in terms of colonizing speed, potency, etc. Once you start with agar you will never look back.
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Re: confused about the whole a cube is a cube is a cube is a... [Re: Growth]
#18448859 - 06/20/13 07:25 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Growth said:
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UltimateAnswer said: Nice. And as far as your comment about needing to do agar for PE why is that? You can't just make a syringe or lc and innoc from there?
what makes agar superior?
pe is not known for heavy spore deposits
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Growth
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Re: confused about the whole a cube is a cube is a cube is a... [Re: Pastywhyte]
#18448863 - 06/20/13 07:25 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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i might give it a shot my next go around and im def going back to PE. Once you try PE you never... not PE...
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ganjfather
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Re: confused about the whole a cube is a cube is a cube is a... [Re: Growth]
#18449411 - 06/20/13 09:12 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Growth said: i might give it a shot my next go around and im def going back to PE. Once you try PE you never... not PE...

truth once you go PE you never go back... The main reason of needing to know agar to use PE, is because it's hard to get a spore print from PE. Hard, not impossible, though. I have gotten a couple successful prints, but it is rare.
You can cotton swab a PE, but the cotton is much more prone to contaminants than foil is, so making a spore syringe from a swab is a bad idea because 90% of the time it contams.
Agar isn't hard though, just another somethin something to learn and it's a good skill to have as well....
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: confused about the whole a cube is a cube is a cube is a... [Re: ganjfather]
#18449521 - 06/20/13 09:38 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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ganjfather said: You can cotton swab a PE, but the cotton is much more prone to contaminants than foil is, so making a spore syringe from a swab is a bad idea because 90% of the time it contams.
You need to sterilize your swabs in a jar in your PC. Then after taking the spore swab, you need to let the swab dry in a still-air box for 48 hours or so. This will reduce contams significantly.
I honestly go PE from time to time but I love the variation of all different genetics. Plus I can get better yields more consistently with less work using other varieties
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ganjfather
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Re: confused about the whole a cube is a cube is a cube is a... [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18449733 - 06/20/13 10:25 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said:
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ganjfather said: You can cotton swab a PE, but the cotton is much more prone to contaminants than foil is, so making a spore syringe from a swab is a bad idea because 90% of the time it contams.
You need to sterilize your swabs in a jar in your PC. Then after taking the spore swab, you need to let the swab dry in a still-air box for 48 hours or so. This will reduce contams significantly.
I honestly go PE from time to time but I love the variation of all different genetics. Plus I can get better yields more consistently with less work using other varieties 
Good to know!
All the swabs I've gotten have been from other people, so I don't trust their technique, I'd still go straight to agar with the swabs.
I've found oak ridge to be more potent than most other cubes, as well. A good oak ridge isolate is great
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Re: confused about the whole a cube is a cube is a cube is a... [Re: Growth]
#18450314 - 06/21/13 01:47 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Growth said: sounds complicated...
You're in luck. Stropharis just made an excellent pictorial guide on agar isolation. Check it out:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18430998
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Re: confused about the whole a cube is a cube is a cube is a... [Re: Psilicon]
#18450835 - 06/21/13 07:34 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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So there is genetic variation and calling something a mutant basically means that in a special case the genes cause the phenotype to be different in a noticeable / measurable way.
That can be about appearance (like albinism or leucism or malformations) but also about metabolism.
It just may be that not every type of mutation happens in the same way. If one fruit lacks genes to express pigment you get albino's or leucistic ones... but the potency results from presence of alkaloids that are part of a metabolism that is not expressed by just one gene. So to change something so rigorously it may take more generations of selection. It may take MANY quantitative analysis tests to make sure you continue with the most potent offspring every time. And I guess if you keep pushing the envelope you can make weird strains, but the unusual tendencies that PE may have like producing malformed fruits the first flush, looking generally gnarly and getting less consistent grows / yields are probably signs that mutation upon mutation has added up over all those generations in order to increase potency. A sort of tradeoff or drawback.
At least those are my ideas about it, do you guys think I'm on the right track?
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Re: confused about the whole a cube is a cube is a cube is a... [Re: cronicr]
#18450853 - 06/21/13 07:45 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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cronicr said:
pe is not known for heavy spore deposits
The typical PE "Style" is not known for heavy spore deposits at all. However from seeing a few grows, I had wondered if the normal style caps sometimes would deposit spores more readily, AND produce spores that would continue the mutation? There are from time to time PE growths that look like a normal cube. Just something that was on my mind.
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: confused about the whole a cube is a cube is a cube is a... [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
#18450857 - 06/21/13 07:47 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Whippy said: The typical PE "Style" is not known for heavy spore deposits at all. However from seeing a few grows, I had wondered if the normal style caps sometimes would deposit spores more readily, AND produce spores that would continue the mutation? There are from time to time PE growths that look like a normal cube. Just something that was on my mind.
IME spores from "normal" PE caps are still rare.
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