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Salvia Legal Status
    #1844760 - 08/24/03 02:59 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)


...I haven't been online in a while...is salvia D still going to be illegal in the US any time soon?

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Re: Salvia Legal Status [Re: PriitK]
    #1844843 - 08/24/03 04:02 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Most likely, no. I believe the DEA is currently looking into it, but I don't think they're rushing to schedule it. However, given their power, and given politican's need to prohibit things, you never know what's going to happen.

Rational and logic says that the spotlight on salvia will die down as people find out it's not a legal alternitive to weed, but the drug laws have never made sense so.....

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Re: Salvia Legal Status [Re: Twirling]
    #1845130 - 08/24/03 12:05 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

It's illegal in Australia and if the US goes the same way on it the wise thing would be get hold of a clone of it before it becomes difficult to source.

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Re: Salvia Legal Status [Re: Starter]
    #1845139 - 08/24/03 12:13 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

yes, we should all get cuttings and learn to take care of Salvia. Once she gets going, give cuttings to all your friends and associates.

Help forge a dedicated underground network of heads and students ala the Family. I, for one, think it is our historical duty to resist and circumvent the contemporary descendents of the Puritans and Inquisition lords and witchhunters and missionaries :thumbup:

Never know when the man is gonna put his boot down so be ready!


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Re: Salvia Legal Status [Re: Xochitl]
    #1846616 - 08/24/03 10:37 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

ya its ridiculous, you know they will slap on cliched phrases like "has potential for abuse" and "inhibits driving ability" well wtf, right now the people who use salvia are mostly responsible people using it in there homes, and as soon as the dea starts going all out on it, there will be more fucking problems.

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Re: Salvia Legal Status [Re: Twirling]
    #1870662 - 09/01/03 09:14 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

If they do schedule it will we know in advance so we can get a cutting?
I'd do it now, but it's not high on my priority list due to low fundage.

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Re: Salvia Legal Status [Re: Jellric]
    #1871544 - 09/01/03 04:56 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

If all fossil fuels and their derivatives, as well as trees for paper and construction, were banned in order to save the planet, reverse the greenhouse effect and stop deforestation; then there is only one known annually renewable natural resource that is capable of providing the overall majority of the world's paper and textiles; meet all of the world's transportation, industrial and home energy needs, while simultaneously reducing pollution, rebuilding the soil and cleaning the atmosphere all at the same time... and that substance is the same one that has done it before... Cannabis/Hemp/Marijuana!

CANNABIS HEMP is the only known plant that can be grown from the Equator to the Arctic Circle and to the Antarctic Circle; from the mountains to the valleys, from the oceans to the plains, including arid lands and everywhere in between. CANNABIS HEMP is the healthiest plant for the ground out of the 3 1/2 million plants on Earth, because it has a root system that grows 10-12 inches in 30 days compared to one inch for rye or barley grass. The roots penetrate up to 16 feet deep and after harvest it leaves a root system that is mulched into the ground. It is the King Kong of King Kongs of all plant life.

All of my information about CANNABIS HEMP has been taken from Federal and State Department of Agriculture reports, articles from Popular Mechanics, Popular Science, Pulp & Paper Magazine, Scientific American, entries from encyclopedias and pharmacoepias, and studies from all over the world during the last 200 years. This is all public information. The United States government is hiding the fact that 125 years ago, and even as far back as 4000 BC, 80 percent of our economy was based on the use of CANNABIS HEMP for paper, fiber and fuel. Ten to 20 percent of our economy was based on CANNABIS HEMP medicines, 125 years ago.

CANNABIS HEMP was part of our everyday life. Every farm had a hemp patch growing. This cover-up outrages me and it should outrage you, too. I have been studying about CANNABIS HEMP for over 30 years, and I can't believe how the U.S. government, in 90 seconds in Congress, could outlaw "MARIJUANA" in 1937, without the people realizing they were outlawing CANNABIS HEMP, the most perfect plant for the planet! They even got other countries to outlaw it, too, after the Second World War. From 1840 to 1940, 80 percent of all the world's hemp was grown in, and imported from, Russia.

With the technology of the decorticator, CANNABIS HEMP would have taken over the cotton market, as it is far superior to cotton. I will again reiterate a few of the facts about CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA, which you already know.

CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA was the number ONE annually renewable natural resource for 80 percent of all paper, fiber and fuel. From 6000 years ago to 125 years ago, it was used for food, light, land and soil reclamation, and even 20 percent of all medicine. Everyone, from the educated to the uneducated, the farmer to the townsperson, the doctors and the scientists used hemp products and depended on them until about 125 years ago.

Seventy-five to 90 percent of all paper used from at least 100 AD to 1883 was made of CANNABIS HEMP. Books, including Bibles, money and newspapers all over the world have been mainly printed on CANNABIS HEMP for as long as these things have existed in human history. They were printed on hemp exclusively!

Seventy to 90 percent of all rope, twine, cordage and ship sails, 125 years ago, were made out of CANNABIS HEMP fiber, until it was replaced by petrochemical fibers in 1937 and 1938. By comparison, CANNABIS HEMP is four times softer than cotton, four times warmer, four times more water absorbent, has three times the strength of cotton, is many times more durable and doesn't use pesticides like cotton, and is flame retardant. Fifty percent of all pesticides are used on cotton, and cotton uses only one percent of the farmland.

Of all the 3 1/2 million plants on Earth, no other plant source can compare with the nutritional value of CANNABIS HEMP seeds. It is the only plant on Earth that has essential amino acids, essential fatty acids and protein and essential oils combined. It is the healthiest plant for human consumption.

Prior to the 1800s, HEMPSEED oil was the number ONE source for lighting oil throughout the world. As late as 1937, even paints and varnishes were 80 percent HEMPSEED oil. CANNABIS HEMP is non-toxic and has been used to make high-grade diesel fuel, oil, aircraft and precision oil and even the number ONE vegetable oil. HEMP is the best sustainable source of plant pulp for biomass fuel to make charcoal, gas, methanol, gasoline and electricity in a natural way.

As a medicine, the use of MARIJUANA goes back 6000 years. It has been found to be healthy and effective in the treatment of chronic pain, cancer, strokes, glaucoma, multiple sclerosis, sickle cell anemia, AIDS wasting and many other illnesses, including simple nausea, appetite stimulant and anxiety. On September 6, 1988, the Drug Enforcement Administration's Chief Administrative Law Judge, Francis L. Young, ruled: "Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man," and asked the Drug Enforcement Agency to reschedule it. The DEA refused, keeping it as a Schedule I drug, which they say "has no known medical use" ? from 1937 to 2002! Nobody has ever died from marijuana in 6000 years ... unless they were shot by a cop!

CANNABIS HEMP was used for land reclamation until 1915. HEMP was planted or left to grow feral as ground cover and not intended for harvest. It is the number ONE plant to prevent mudslides and loss of watershed, and river and soil erosion.

What disgusts me the most is how the government, as well as the people, knew about HEMP and praised its value and then what happened? In literally 90 seconds, the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937 passed in Congress. By using the unknown name "marijuana" instead of the familiar name "cannabis hemp", Congress was able to accomplish this because no one knew what plant they were talking about. HEMP became illegal and was replaced by petrochemical products. They made it such a banned and forbidden plant that the word "hemp" was not even taught in schools in the 1940s, 50s and thereafter. In 1850, 80 percent of all paper, fibers and fuel were made out of CANNABIS in America and the rest of the world.

The role of HEMP was erased from America's history (as well as most of the rest of the world's) after 1945 and 1950. To prove it, think ... what did you learn about HEMP in school? Nothing! The continuing suppression of this information by the government places us all in mortal jeopardy. Here we have a plant that, in conjunction with wind, solar, tidal and hydroelectric power, can save the planet by providing all of our energy, fuel, paper, fiber and medical needs naturally, all while reducing acid rain, chemical pollution and rebuilding the soil, while reversing the greenhouse effect (no other plant can do this!), and our government wants to eradicate this seed, out of the 3 1/2 million seeds on Earth. HEMP was used to make over 25,000 products before it was outlawed in 1937. They want to kill the most perfect plant on the planet. You should get mad at your government for doing this and for leaving it out of our schools.

Eighty percent of our economy depended on HEMP for paper, fiber and fuel, 125 years ago. At that time, it took 300 man hours to harvest an acre of HEMP, but with the invention of the brand new decorticator in 1930, it only took one-and-a-half to two hours. This is equivalent to reducing the labor burden from $6,000 down to $40 per acre in today's money. Keep in mind that the cotton gin, in 1793, reduced the man-hours from 300 hours down to two hours to harvest an acre of cotton. The role of CANNABIS should be determined by market supply and demand and not by undue influence of prohibition laws, federal subsidies and huge tariffs that keep the natural from replacing the synthetic. MARIJUANA is the KING KONG of the King Kongs of all plants.

Attorney General John Ashcroft, DEA head Asa Hutchison, and White House Drug Czar John Walters have been given all of these proven facts and yet are still set against the legalization of marijuana and recognition of HEMP knowledge. For whatever personal reasons, they refuse to believe the facts and are willing to sacrifice the future of our planet and the health of our people by keeping it illegal. The ban of CANNABIS HEMP is so extreme and its intention is to hide the truth, and the truth is that out of the 3 1/2 million plants on Earth, HEMP is the number ONE plant for our survival and quality of life here on Earth. The government calls Marijuana users "terrorists" and yet the government of the United States has been "terrorizing" us for the last 67 years!

No one has taken the $100,000 challenge to prove me wrong. Why? Because I am right. The U.S. government has been lying to us since the early 1900s. Do economic interests have more to say than the people about the future of our planet?

Jack Herer
June 2002

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Re: Salvia Legal Status [Re: spacedragon]
    #1872315 - 09/01/03 10:02 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

whew, that's quite a bit of info to take in in one sitting, though i knew much of it beforehand.

the truth is that any substance with psychoactive properties that has potential for non-marketable use, not abuse, falls under the scope of the USA's drug laws. it will be a sad day when salvia is outlawed and i will give the day to meditation and prayer. in the mean time, keep the spirit alive and respect it. we should set an example of responsible care for a respectable teacher that can't be ignored by the national/world view at large.


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