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Damien's TEK: Larger FC- how much more coir/water/verm?
    #18419053 - 06/14/13 02:06 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Diamonds808 said:
Hi guys,

I just need some more help--and you've all been so helpful! Thank you so much.

Damien's TEK requires, 1 brick of coir, 2QT verm, 5QT spawn, 4 QT water.
He used a 66QT tub which I googled and got

26.38"L x 16"W x 12.25"H.
Mine is a bit larger:
28"L x 17"W x 13"H

I plan on using 1 brick of coir, 2.5-3QT of spawn, 1 cup of gypsum and maybe..
4QTs of verm? 8QTs of water? To achieve a 3.5 substrate depth.
How much verm and water do you think I should use? Or should I be adding more coir? Like 1/4 of a brick or something?




These are my measurements. 28" L x 13" H x 17" W. Is this possible? Or should I just do cakes?

Using the substrate calculator:
Substrate depth: 3" (1:9/7.5) - Spawn: Coir/Verm/Gypsum
Substrate depth: 3.5" (1:10.3/8:5)

Got all my other questions answered--thanks guys!
One last question, would a substrate/spawn depth of 3" be okay?
Or do you think minimum. 3.5"?

Edited by Diamonds808 (06/17/13 01:12 AM)

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Re: 2.5-3 QT of spawn, want to do coir/verm in SGTC. [Re: Diamonds808]
    #18419157 - 06/14/13 02:37 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Dimensions sound great for a Mono-Tub, go get it brother. :rockon:

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Re: 2.5-3 QT of spawn, want to do coir/verm in SGTC. [Re: cubenpete]
    #18419171 - 06/14/13 02:42 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Dimensions sound great for a Mono-Tub, go get it brother. :rockon:



Usually people prefer a higher spawn:substrate ratio? Do you think 1:10 would still work or just I just use a steel pot where I could get the ratio to 1:1.5?

EDIT: I was also planning on using Damion5050's tek with 1 brick of coir, 2 QTs of verm, and adding 1 cup of gypsum. I'm thinking of also adding coffee grounds...

Edited by Diamonds808 (06/14/13 03:07 PM)

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Re: 2.5-3 QT of spawn, want to do coir/verm in SGTC. [Re: Diamonds808]
    #18419293 - 06/14/13 03:13 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Anywhere from 1:1 to 1:10 works, but somewhere between 1:1 and 1:4 is most often recommended.

Also, bucket tek dont work with coffee grounds. Need to proper pasteurize
to use anything other then coir + verm.

Edited by spacechildo (06/14/13 03:13 PM)

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Re: 2.5-3 QT of spawn, want to do coir/verm in SGTC. [Re: spacechildo]
    #18419332 - 06/14/13 03:23 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Perfect! X out the coffee. Do you think the 3" substrate/spawn depth would work or I should do at least 3.5"?

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Re: 2.5-3 QT of spawn, want to do coir/verm in SGTC. [Re: Diamonds808]
    #18419383 - 06/14/13 03:37 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Oh yes, it would work. 4" is just recommended as the "perfect" depth.
I currently have a small bag with under 2" depth, and it certainly fruits.
Seems like the bags with deeper subs produce bigger fruits, but it's MS so..

Most things WOULD work in this hobby, but when you hit the parameters right,
it works that extra bit better :smile:
Cubes are pretty sturdy

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Re: 2.5-3 QT of spawn, want to do coir/verm in SGTC. [Re: spacechildo]
    #18419458 - 06/14/13 03:57 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Deeper substrates maintain moisture better than shallow sub. Remember that the fruits are 97% water. The more moisture your sub can hold the better (at field capacity of course).:stirthepot:

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Re: 2.5-3 QT of spawn, want to do coir/verm in SGTC. [Re: cubenpete]
    #18419630 - 06/14/13 04:38 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks everyone!

I guess I'm just debating whether to have a deeper substrate/spawn with a lower spawn ratio vs a more shallow depth with a higher spawn ratio.

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Re: 2.5-3 QT of spawn, want to do coir/verm in SGTC. [Re: Diamonds808]
    #18430534 - 06/17/13 01:10 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Hi guys,

I just need some more help--and you've all been so helpful! Thank you so much.

Damien's TEK requires, 1 brick of coir, 2QT verm, 5QT spawn, 4 QT water.
He used a 66QT tub which I googled and got

26.38"L x 16"W x 12.25"H.
Mine is a bit larger:
28"L x 17"W x 13"H

I plan on using 1 brick of coir, 2.5-3QT of spawn, 1 cup of gypsum and maybe..
4QTs of verm? 8QTs of water? To achieve a 3.5 substrate depth.
How much verm and water do you think I should use? Or should I be adding more coir? Like 1/4 of a brick or something?

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Re: 2.5-3 QT of spawn, want to do coir/verm in SGTC. [Re: Diamonds808]
    #18440652 - 06/19/13 01:42 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

If you're throwing gypsum into the mix, will you be using the bucket tek or pasteurizing in jars? I've been wanting to use gypsum in my sub as well

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Re: 2.5-3 QT of spawn, want to do coir/verm in SGTC. [Re: cave]
    #18442541 - 06/19/13 01:51 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I don't even know what that means. I'm making BRF cakes (gypsum), crumble (mixture + gypsum) --> SGFC.

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Re: 2.5-3 QT of spawn, want to do coir/verm in SGTC. [Re: Diamonds808]
    #18442586 - 06/19/13 02:02 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Diamonds808 said:
Hi guys,

I just need some more help--and you've all been so helpful! Thank you so much.

Damien's TEK requires, 1 brick of coir, 2QT verm, 5QT spawn, 4 QT water.
He used a 66QT tub which I googled and got

26.38"L x 16"W x 12.25"H.
Mine is a bit larger:
28"L x 17"W x 13"H

I plan on using 1 brick of coir, 2.5-3QT of spawn, 1 cup of gypsum and maybe..
4QTs of verm? 8QTs of water? To achieve a 3.5 substrate depth.
How much verm and water do you think I should use? Or should I be adding more coir? Like 1/4 of a brick or something?




To fill to the same depth as the tek you're using, you'll want:
-1.06 bricks of coir
-2.12 quarts vermiculite
-5.3 quarts of spawn
-4.24 quarts of water

Not enough of a difference to bother, when you consider that the mushrooms you want to grow thrive in horse shit that's been rained on.


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Re: 2.5-3 QT of spawn, want to do coir/verm in SGTC. [Re: Psilicon]
    #18445504 - 06/20/13 01:32 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I only have like 2.5-3QTs of spawn.. :frown:

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Re: 2.5-3 QT of spawn, want to do coir/verm in SGTC. [Re: Diamonds808]
    #18445616 - 06/20/13 02:38 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Then you can scale it down to almost exactly 2 inches and keep the container and ratios the same, you can get a smaller container and keep the depth and ratios, or you can deviate in your spawn ratio.  The latter is not recommended, since it takes you down to 1:8.62, which is higher than a lot of people here prefer for cubensis.


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Re: 2.5-3 QT of spawn, want to do coir/verm in SGTC. [Re: Psilicon]
    #18445681 - 06/20/13 03:44 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I was actually thinking of inserting something in my container to make it smaller but it's a SGFC so wouldn't blocking one of the sides affect the air flow?

I'm currently at 1:10 spawn/substrate ratio.
Using the calculator (60:40 verm:coir ratio),
spawn:  2.62QT
coir: 10.5 QT (no idea what that would be with a brick.--was going to break it up and see what I would get)
verm: 15.74 QT

I'm just concerned about how much water to add...
Daimen's tek is 4 QTs of water..

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Re: 2.5-3 QT of spawn, want to do coir/verm in SGTC. [Re: Diamonds808]
    #18446485 - 06/20/13 10:27 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Wait, you want to do this in a shotgun?  I'm seriously confused.  Are you just making a giant cake and throwing it in there, or are you doing this in a tray in an SGFC, or bagging it, or just piling your crumbled cakes mixed with coir on top of the perlite or what?  The latter is not recommended, by the way.


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Edited by Psilicon (06/20/13 10:29 AM)

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Re: 2.5-3 QT of spawn, want to do coir/verm in SGTC. [Re: Psilicon]
    #18446592 - 06/20/13 10:54 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I'm confused as well.. :frown: Help me!

I've been thinking about using trays since I have so little spawn. But, I can't find any information about how big the trays are suppose to be.. I have stainless steel brownie pans, pots, and plastic tubberware. ! I mean, what's the ideal length, width, and depth that the trays could be before throwing them in the SGFC. Or does it not even matter as long as the container is .5 inches above substrate/spawn level? Or does it need to be exactly at sub/spwn level?

Edited by Diamonds808 (06/20/13 11:30 AM)

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Re: 2.5-3 QT of spawn, want to do coir/verm in SGTC. [Re: Diamonds808]
    #18446641 - 06/20/13 11:15 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

What is your spawn?


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