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I suck at moisture content
    #18446482 - 06/20/13 10:26 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

This is my 3rd attempt at WBS. for some reason i feel like im making this way to complicated than it should be.

Here are my lids i made. I put a circle of tyvek on the inside of the lid, so there is 2 filters, and i have another on top in the picture as you can see, and RTV silicone as the injection port.


For some reason, after i put foil on the jars and PC'd them the tyvek was wet, and there was a little moisture on the foil. And the WBS seemed a little more saturated. the WBS sticks to the glass but doesnt clump together. wtf am i doing wrong? D:

I brought the WBS to a simmer for 10mins or so then to a strainer and let them get completely dry, on the paper towel, just a slight wet spot. could say little to none.

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Re: I suck at moisture content [Re: NecroMyce]
    #18446496 - 06/20/13 10:29 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16069543

Perfect moisture content every time.

I always had moisture build up on top of my lids when I put foil over them for the PC cycle.
Now I don't put foil over them, because I'm using SFDs.


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Re: I suck at moisture content [Re: NecroMyce]
    #18446500 - 06/20/13 10:30 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

does the seed have cracked corn? thatll make everything clump from the starch,ive never used wbs but i hear it can be a pain getting the moisture right... also there will be some water on the tyvek even when covered with foil. it doesnt matter as long as the filter is above the lid not under.

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Re: I suck at moisture content [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18446520 - 06/20/13 10:35 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16069543

Perfect moisture content every time.

I always had moisture build up on top of my lids when I put foil over them for the PC cycle.
Now I don't put foil over them, because I'm using SFDs.




Im using tyvek, would that be the same? and i was thinking i might of put too much water in the PC and thats how the water got under the foil.

It had kernals in it, but only one jar clumped, the rest didnt clump, just some seeds stick to the sides of the jar, and obvious signs of water in the jars. and the tvek on top is wet. and im assuming if you can see wetness inside the jars, the tyvek undeneath the lid is wet too. which means contams can get in :frown:

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Re: I suck at moisture content [Re: NecroMyce]
    #18446549 - 06/20/13 10:42 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

No, you have to use SFDs or EZ-Felt to not use foil.
check the sponsors list. They're about $1 per filter & each filter can make 5-8 lids.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14186384#14186384


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Re: I suck at moisture content [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18446568 - 06/20/13 10:47 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

TranscendingLife said:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16069543

Perfect moisture content every time.

I always had moisture build up on top of my lids when I put foil over them for the PC cycle.
Now I don't put foil over them, because I'm using SFDs.



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No, you have to use SFDs or EZ-Felt to not use foil.
check the sponsors list. They're about $1 per filter & each filter can make 5-8 lids.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14186384#14186384



-____- So your telling me after ive been waiting the last 2 weeks for all my supplies to come into the mail, and two whole days creating tyvek lids, i gotta make all new lids and shit with SFD? and wait for the discs to come in the mail :frown:

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Re: I suck at moisture content [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18446578 - 06/20/13 10:49 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

pretty sure RR stated if you made hole right size and put the tyvek on top of the lid,it should be fine.. cause i recently was pc'ing stoned and forgot foil lol

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Re: I suck at moisture content [Re: tko]
    #18446580 - 06/20/13 10:51 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

no he just said you need discs to not wrry bout covering with foil.

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Re: I suck at moisture content [Re: NecroMyce] * 1
    #18446582 - 06/20/13 10:51 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

:andyistic:

Not all new lids. Just tear off the tyvek & reapply with SFD.
At least SFDs will last you a lifetime.
I've had to throw out 3 lids so far after countless PC & sterilizer cycles.
I just tore off the SFD & tossed the lid.
Gotta make up a few more this weekend.


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Re: I suck at moisture content [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18446936 - 06/20/13 12:34 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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:andyistic:

Not all new lids. Just tear off the tyvek & reapply with SFD.
At least SFDs will last you a lifetime.
I've had to throw out 3 lids so far after countless PC & sterilizer cycles.
I just tore off the SFD & tossed the lid.
Gotta make up a few more this weekend.




Would there be any way to make the filters I made any better? Add another layer of tyvek, or?

Also with SFD, on RR's grain prep he just puts the SFD between the ring and the lid. The lid has holes In it, would it be possible to just inject threw the SFD, or is there still a purpose for RTV injection points?

Or on TL's tek, they're good to go once done? I'm assuming SFD's can get wet?

Edited by NecroMyce (06/20/13 12:39 PM)

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Re: I suck at moisture content [Re: NecroMyce]
    #18446956 - 06/20/13 12:39 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I use a mix of tyvek and sfd's. I dont have enough sfd's to go around yet. The tyvek has been working great too.


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Re: I suck at moisture content [Re: Sillyputty67]
    #18446977 - 06/20/13 12:44 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I wouldn't add another layer of tyvek. That'd limit GE too much.

RR does the traditional method of not cutting/altering the SFDs.
Therefore, he has 4 holes at 1/8" in the lid covered by the SFD under the lid ring.
You cannot inoculate through the SFD. That would ruin it.
To inoculate using RR's method, you lift the lid ring & SFD up & inject in one of the holes in the lid.

SFDs can get wet, but they won't absorb water, because they're not porous enough.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12543108


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Re: I suck at moisture content [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18447119 - 06/20/13 01:10 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Just to make sure your not getting too hung up on lids though op, wait until these jars are done before trying to alter your lids.

As far as your jars having grains sticking to the jars you will be fine.  I follow franks tek, and random grains will stick to the walls but the mycelium trounced right through it all.  As far as clumpy jars, just give them a good shake while still hot, then again a couple times as they cool.  IME it takes care of the seed from clumping together, and I've even done so after I left the seed in for about a half hour on a hard simmer/soft boil on accident...  (burst kernel and starch city)



Back to your lids....

Like TL already pointed out above your going to have condensation on your foul/filters after a pc cycle no matter what.  The main reason I would be moving from tyvek iiwy is because of the fact it distorts after each pc cycle and will need to be replaced much more often...  EZ felt will last much longer and quite possibly the whole life of your lid, and SFD'S will not only outlast your lids themselves, but will have the added bonus of saving you on aluminum foil.  (Which will save you cash in the long run if you keep at this)

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Re: I suck at moisture content [Re: BloodKil]
    #18447231 - 06/20/13 01:43 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

yo i follow transcendinglife's lid tek and instead of using SFD or EZ Felt i went to hobby lobby(closest craft store) and found something as close as possible to ez-felt that would last until i receive my SFDs. just a huge folded piece of white felt and i cut out a few dime sized pieces and sealed them over a 1/4" hole on the lids with RTV. Havent had one jar contam yet and i have used these lids through at least 3 cycles! ::knocks on wood::

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Re: I suck at moisture content [Re: lvilledanksta]
    #18447520 - 06/20/13 02:55 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

One of my jars was obviously really clumpy. i took the lid off the check the tyvek under the lid. soaked completely. i hope that doesnt make me throw out all my jars...

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Re: I suck at moisture content [Re: NecroMyce]
    #18447553 - 06/20/13 03:02 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I've always put my tyvek under the lids and it seems to be dry and turns out fine everytime :shrug:


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Re: I suck at moisture content [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18447646 - 06/20/13 03:16 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Hey TL, in RR's video, 5 steps to perfect grain spawn, about 3/5ths of the way through he puts foil on sfd lids and says it's necessary to keep moisture out.  You're sure it's not necessary?

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Re: I suck at moisture content [Re: invitro]
    #18447656 - 06/20/13 03:18 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

For his lid design it may be necessary.
For mine, it's not.


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Re: I suck at moisture content [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18447676 - 06/20/13 03:22 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I just poke a couple tiny holes in a standard lid, and cover with tyvek or sfd's, and cap. I dont turn my lids upside down. I find its a non issue to open the jars. This has worked flawless for me.


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Re: I suck at moisture content [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18447772 - 06/20/13 03:36 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

TranscendingLife said:
For his lid design it may be necessary.
For mine, it's not.




I ordered some SFD's and im just gonna use your tek(TL) . just gonna rip off my old tyvek and replace it with SFD and RTV, let dry, and try again

but for my jars i have now, are they still usable? Theres clear and obvious signs of water moisture in the WBS. Id rather throw them out then waste my MS, i only have a few MS left.

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Re: I suck at moisture content [Re: NecroMyce]
    #18447793 - 06/20/13 03:39 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I'd try them out.

I can make ya up a print of Amazonians if ya want.


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Re: I suck at moisture content [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18447797 - 06/20/13 03:40 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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I'd try them out.

I can make ya up a print of Amazonians if ya want.




Like a Spore print?

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Re: I suck at moisture content [Re: NecroMyce]
    #18447798 - 06/20/13 03:40 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

no, a spore print. Not like one.


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Re: I suck at moisture content [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18447804 - 06/20/13 03:42 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

That'd be awesome! DM me

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Re: I suck at moisture content [Re: NecroMyce]
    #18447809 - 06/20/13 03:42 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I'll let you know when I get done with them.
Should be this weekend.
No guarantees on cleanliness.


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Re: I suck at moisture content [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18447813 - 06/20/13 03:43 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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I'll let you know when I get done with them.
Should be this weekend.
No guarantees on cleanliness.




He man, it helps! thank you very much!

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Re: I suck at moisture content [Re: NecroMyce]
    #18447822 - 06/20/13 03:45 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

:kenthumbup:


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Re: I suck at moisture content [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18447946 - 06/20/13 04:10 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Haha went to go inoculate those WBS jars ive been talking about... turns out all my syringes are frozen solid, theyve been in my new mini fridge for about a week. I read around and realized it should be fine after i thaw them.. lol

Every single little thing has to go wrong on my first bulk now does it huh? geez haha. I also just feel like im making things a lot harder than they should be. And that im just being a worrywart.

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