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Re: question for people who practice semen retention or tantric sex [Re: Gogeta] * 1
    #18265501 - 05/14/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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What if you chop off both hands and live in a locked room for 10 years? Youll eventually be forced to be content and not sexually frustrated.. youll learn to appreciate the fact your alive and know there are still people that have it worse than you...

Jog 20 miles a day everyday and you wont care to whack off... that's what I used to do... now I jog 10 miles a day and rest... to tired to wank it...

Otherwords change your routine... tire yourself out...




if i didnt have hands i'd just hump the shit out of the bed or floor eventually :grin:  you can only abstain for so long...it's unnatural to never orgasm, it really is.

practicing "no fap" does not make you a better or more spiritual person than anyone else. the only thing it really does is give you more energy to do stuff, especially if its physical or competitive things like athletics. i start to feel absolutely beastly when i don't orgasm, but you can only go so long...


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Re: question for people who practice semen retention or tantric sex [Re: resonant111]
    #18265526 - 05/14/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I feel ya.. I think its unhealthy to be backed up, it can cause health problems... so keep wackn.. I never claimed to stop fully lol


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Re: question for people who practice semen retention or tantric sex [Re: Gogeta]
    #18266637 - 05/14/13 11:50 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

When I was into opiates big time I had zero interest in sex whatsoever, I would go months without sex or whackin it but always had a wetdream within a month or so. Kinda gross but I would of drowned a broad with the amount that I was letting go.


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Re: question for people who practice semen retention or tantric sex [Re: resonant111] * 1
    #18267793 - 05/15/13 08:18 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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my record is 16 days, which i did last year. it was torturous, by the 2nd week i was so sexually repressed that i was literally starting to have sexual hallucinations (interpreting normal things in an overly sexual way). back then i really believed in this retention shit and thought i was becoming more "spiritual" by practicing it.

to be honest though, i think all it really did was make me really neurotic and sexually repressed. my anxiety levels went through the roof and my ocd tendencies amplified hardcore. i could hardly find pleasure in anything, it was like i was torturing myself trying to "retain."

one thing i *did* learn from it, however, is that it's definitely NOT necessary to have orgasms every day. spacing that shit out a few days (3-5) definitely gives you a mood/energy boost. but you can only hold off for so long before it becomes too sexually frustrating...everything in moderation.






This is *PRECISELY* the reason that people shouldn't fuck around with this shit if they don't know what they're actually doing in the first place.

Semen retention is not the endgame by any means. Holding seminal energy is only one part of the process. The benefits are entirely derived from *channelling* the energy through the body. This channeling will be physically felt as a heat/fluid flow circulating the body.



What happened in the case you are talking about is that you practiced celibacy half-heartedly. You switched off the body but you maintained a clinging mind. When actually you have to switch off sexual thoughts right at their core, right at the most subtle of the subtle points of the origin of thought. This is the hardest part of it. Without doing this, you are not abstaining, only pretending to do so.


If you practice correctly, then there is zero sexual desire, believe me. You can only repress something if another part of you really wants to make it arise so hard (hehehe), without that part speaking there can be no repression, there is literally nothing to repress. And correctly practiced, you are NOT repressing sexuality. Actually you are amplifying it to the highest it can go. You are oozing sex from every pore. Girls want to touch you. And not only that, but girls who *shouldn't* want to touch you, want to touch you. I'm talking... managers, policewomen, people in all sorts of positions where sexuality should not exist and machinelike conduct is expected... All wanna touch you. You're having sex with life itself. Bite into an apple, orgasm. Listen to music, orgasm. Look at a tree, orgasm. It's like a continual long slow rolling wave of sexual euphoria, an orgasm that puts every other creature to shame. The kind where it begins at the start of the month and doesn't end, rolling up and down through the days.



If ever you want to go again, or if someone actually wants to get into this thing, you need to learn how to MOVE the energy around first. I would recommend being aware of this first long before you even try any retention. Learn how to turn sexual impulses on and off. How to move the blood from down there, to up here, and back. Cultivate control of all the core muscles, your lower abdomen, your pelvic floor. Celibacy is a battle. Not knowing how to channel energy through the body will lead to the equivalent of an unarmed and untrained civilian walking through a minefield. You have no clue, until you actually feel and manipulate the energies.


And this fine-grained control takes years to develop. It is only now I can personally say that I am even vaguely aware and *somewhat* capable of controlling my sexual energy, after a good 2-3 years of continuous training. Now comes the benefit from semen retention. Right now I can go from full mast to no mast by volition and muscular contraction. I bet you can't (yet) do that :P - and you will not get much benefit from these things without being able to do so! It's actually simple, it will take around 2-3 months of training to develop this ability. All you gotta do is exhale all the air in your body and do an intense ab vacuum, pulling the navel up towards the neck and simultaneously back towards the spine. The pull you feel on your pelvic floor pushes the energy/blood upward where it can be used for other bodily functions. Now, are you prepared to do this upward of 200 times a day, EVERY time you have the faintest subtle urge even vaguely implying an implication of sexuality? One time I was in a club packed to the floor with heavenly blessed beauties of all kinds. Look forward, woooo, hottie! To the left, wooooo, hottie! Now, this was meant to be a night out but more so ended up being the ab-workout of my life! By the time I left my abdomen felt brutalised and my core developed a refined strength. But this is what you gotta do.

The kind of perseverance needed to become superhuman, is the perseverance that only one who saw themselves as superhuman would be prepared to deliver. SR will thrash you and test your wits. And believe me you will fail many a time, the mind is an amazing trickster.


I did try S.R. long before and I experienced the same state as yourself. Now on the other hand these days S.R. gives me superpowers, it animates the internal world and provides a clear sight. Without sexual desires clouding your perception, you can see a lot more about what's going on inside your body and the nature of the arising and cessation of all manner of neural impulses.
There are things you will gleam from S.R./tantra in regards to psychedelics, that you will never gleam or even fathom by simply upping the dose, or mixing many hallucinogens. Still if you up the dose, and add more drugs, celibacy will always present something even more vibrant, novel and intuitive.
Celibacy potentiates hallucinogenic phenomenon and it's like a hallucinogen/entheogen in its own right. It shows you perspectives of energy/awareness of the body's biomagnetism that you cannot gleam any other way. Yes, I am saying there are facets of psychedelic experience which are pretty much forbidden to people who do not cultivate brahmacharya, by the design of nature; a forbiddance no different to the fact that if you close your eyes you can't see.


But it's a hard quest (hehe) and the only thing I have found to work is perseverance.


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Re: question for people who practice semen retention or tantric sex [Re: crkhd]
    #18268710 - 05/15/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

it's all so vague and confusing...



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Re: question for people who practice semen retention or tantric sex [Re: crkhd]
    #18274231 - 05/16/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Now on the other hand these days S.R. gives me superpowers,




like getting police women to want to fuck you? :lol:


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Re: question for people who practice semen retention or tantric sex [Re: k00laid]
    #18275004 - 05/16/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I really don't know what you guys are talking about. I rarely ever masturbate and I feel great every day, no anxiety or frustration here.


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Re: question for people who practice semen retention or tantric sex [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #18275304 - 05/16/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

not wanking definitely seems to give me more physical energy/motivation, i can't lie. but it's almost like SO MUCH energy builds after a few days that i almost develop anxiety if i don't have find a way to express/release some of that tension. when the energy builds up to ridiculous levels it's like i have no choice but to wank it off.




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Re: question for people who practice semen retention or tantric sex [Re: resonant111]
    #18275353 - 05/16/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Yah man I definitely know what you mean. I am very active every day so I'm really channeling that sexual energy into positive stuff. I get lots of exercise and work hard at work and school.

As the days and weeks go by and I am not jacking off, there is an obvious upgrading of energy, motivation, good feeling. I do masturbate occasionally but not so much that it effects my testosterone levels. I believe that it is testosterone which provides that energetic powerful feeling.

I used to masturbate every day several times a day until it got to the point I needed Viagra just to get a hard on. It was pathetic, I couldn't even get hard to have sex. There was a long period of time where I could hold off a few days, maybe even 1 or 2 weeks but then I HAD to get a release. I don't know why this isn't the case anymore.. I don't know why it is so easy for me to not jack off now when it seems so difficult for everyone else.

I guess that now I more addicted to that energy feeling than masturbation addiction.


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Re: question for people who practice semen retention or tantric sex [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #18421146 - 06/14/13 10:29 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

if you go for long periods of time without ejaculating, your semen starts to turn golden

it's like a golden ticket to ecstasy :smile:

everytime i make it 3 weeks without ejaculating i like to cum all over my chest and rub it in so it reabsorbs back through my skin and then i run outside and skip and jump down the street and click my heels together while i sing that song "i've got a golden ticket" from willy wonka

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Re: question for people who practice semen retention or tantric sex [Re: owls]
    #18422152 - 06/15/13 05:50 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

I used to do this all the time and only ever had one nocturnal emmission


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Re: question for people who practice semen retention or tantric sex [Re: Mastamike1118]
    #18422198 - 06/15/13 06:37 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Hello tantric folks. I practice sex almost daily and take enough care not to ejaculate/orgasm more than once per week. That's minimum for me, at least one week without exploding, as I call it, otherwise there is way too much energy loss. Whenever I do explode I know the next few days I will sleep more, eat more and feel energetically low. But abstinence alone doesn't make the energy levels build up. It's the sexual practice with great focus on love and spiritual progression that takes me to a higher level. Of course this is not an easy energy to handle. It's easy to let oneself be totally taken over and just lust yourself to death. But if done like one great cosmic tease, it can be quite life-transforming... It gets you high, no doubt, and it also increases the effects of psychedelics. That is, if you don't let lust get the best, otherwise, as soon as you close your eyes, all you see are sexual images. I also integrate art into the daily sexual practice. I write poems while having sex. Dreams are very important as well. They are perhaps the ultimate test to your endeavors as a tantric adept. I've had many wet dreams, but for quite a while, all the wet dreams I have reach a paramount point where all the focus of my attention is grabbed into a single instant of conscious decision. I actually make the decision and say Yes or No to the final orgasm/explosion, which will then immediately follow and I wake up. I also note the characters in my dreams generally try to guide me, particularly when advising against letting go. About orgasm without ejaculation, this is a practice I've experienced but which I eventually came to discard. The energy loss is not the same as that of the regular orgasm, but the psychological side is similarly drained. You lose the build up of tension that drives desire into maddening heights and I feel it somehow also separates mind and body to a certain degree.


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Re: question for people who practice semen retention or tantric sex [Re: a_h_w] * 1
    #18443837 - 06/19/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

not-ejaculating just builds up a bunch of stagnant masculine energy in your body and makes you sexually repressed...it doesn't make you a better person!

after messing with "semen retention" for two years straight this is the conclusion i have finally *come* to. life is too short to sit around obsessing over our natural bodily functions. i see so many people putting their faith in this retention/no fap stuff like it's some magical cure that will make them perfect or something. it won't. any benefits you derive are all in your head.

you can achieve the same positive results by simply believing in yourself and the power of your own mind, rather than practicing this bizarre form of sexual denial. at least that's what i've learned.


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Re: question for people who practice semen retention or tantric sex [Re: resonant111]
    #18443966 - 06/19/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

excellent:thumbup:


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Re: question for people who practice semen retention or tantric sex [Re: Icelander]
    #18444005 - 06/19/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

yea i'm finally starting to come to my senses lol. :boomboom:


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Re: question for people who practice semen retention or tantric sex [Re: owls]
    #18445962 - 06/20/13 07:19 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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everytime i make it 3 weeks without ejaculating i like to cum all over my chest and rub it in so it reabsorbs back through my skin and then i run outside and skip and jump down the street and click my heels together while i sing that song "i've got a golden ticket" from willy wonka




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Re: question for people who practice semen retention or tantric sex [Re: resonant111]
    #18446073 - 06/20/13 08:20 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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not-ejaculating just builds up a bunch of stagnant masculine energy in your body and makes you sexually repressed...it doesn't make you a better person!

after messing with "semen retention" for two years straight this is the conclusion i have finally *come* to. life is too short to sit around obsessing over our natural bodily functions. i see so many people putting their faith in this retention/no fap stuff like it's some magical cure that will make them perfect or something. it won't. any benefits you derive are all in your head.

you can achieve the same positive results by simply believing in yourself and the power of your own mind, rather than practicing this bizarre form of sexual denial. at least that's what i've learned.




Apply this to most "spiritual" practices and you get the same resultant answer. True?


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