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OfflineBaby_Hitler
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Why do we have drug paraphernalia laws?
    #1843898 - 08/23/03 07:50 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Specifically sale and manufacture laws?

The only explanation I've read is that it is because it's proffiting off of an illegal activity, but don't drug tests also proffit off of drugs?

Technically it's just as illegal to sell someone a bong with the knowledge that it will be used to smoke marijuana as it is for a tobacco store owner to sell a briar or meershaum pipe to someone with the same knowledge.


It seems to me that the intent of the law is to suppress speech. You take a big risk to both sell pipes and bongs and to be active and vocal about marijuana. Paraphernalia law has been an effective gag on headshops which would have otherwise (some of them at least) been a local headquarters for the drug reform movement.


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Re: Why do we have drug paraphernalia laws? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1843903 - 08/23/03 07:53 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

why do we have drug laws?


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Re: Why do we have drug paraphernalia laws? [Re: ]
    #1843923 - 08/23/03 08:10 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

That's a whole `nother thread.

The short version: Drug laws are all about putting people in jail for things they hypothetically might do.


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Re: Why do we have drug paraphernalia laws? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1843930 - 08/23/03 08:13 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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The short version: Drug laws are all about putting people in jail for things they hypothetically might do.



I actually had one of my friends (a middle of the road conservative republican type guy) argue with me saying that it was ok to put people in jail for what they might do (specifically referring to drug laws). What a moron.


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Re: Why do we have drug paraphernalia laws? [Re: z@z.com]
    #1843939 - 08/23/03 08:20 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

That's prior restraint.


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Re: Why do we have drug paraphernalia laws? [Re: wingnutx]
    #1843944 - 08/23/03 08:25 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Isn't prior restraint a "freedom of the press" issue?


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Re: Why do we have drug paraphernalia laws? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1843954 - 08/23/03 08:35 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah.

It's sorta almost the same concept, though.

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Re: Why do we have drug paraphernalia laws? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1844115 - 08/23/03 10:03 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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The short version: Drug laws are all about putting people in jail for things they hypothetically might do.





Going after people for things they hypothetically might do. Where have I heard that before?

Drugs are the ultimate scapegoat. Career politicians make and enforce drug laws so that they can say "look what I did".





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Re: Why do we have drug paraphernalia laws? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1844152 - 08/23/03 10:25 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I'm confused, honestly, what year is it? 1984?


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Re: Why do we have drug paraphernalia laws? [Re: gdman]
    #1844330 - 08/23/03 11:44 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Yep.



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Re: Why do we have drug paraphernalia laws? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1844357 - 08/23/03 11:52 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Can't be, no Soviet Union.


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Re: Why do we have drug paraphernalia laws? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1844473 - 08/24/03 12:27 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Why do we have drug paraphernalia laws? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1844959 - 08/24/03 07:08 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I can only think of one reason, which is, of course bullshit: if the heads can't get their bongs and pipes, they figure, they won't be able to smoke their pot.

...Of course, anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows this is bullshit.  As George Carlin said, pot encourages carpentry.  :wink:  So long as you can get a few pipe fittings, or, shit, rolling papers, there's no way to stop it. 


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Re: Why do we have drug paraphernalia laws? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1845702 - 08/24/03 05:14 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

we have drug paraphanilia laws because the government doesn't like people doing drugs and wishes to lower the supply of supplies :wink:


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Re: Why do we have drug paraphernalia laws? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1845925 - 08/24/03 06:42 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I got arrested over this!! When you get arrested the police like to tack on extra laws that were broken so you can get trapped in the system longer.

that and the fact that at least in this part of california, drug paraphernalia can and will get you jail time, unlike simple possession. check the laws out and see what's up.


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