Home | Community | Message Board

Magic Mushrooms Zamnesia
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Mushroom-Hut Liquid Cultures   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Myyco.com Isolated Cubensis Liquid Culture For Sale   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   North Spore Injection Grain Bag

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | Next >  [ show all ]
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
OfflineNovanity1
Student

Registered: 08/29/10
Posts: 326
Last seen: 9 years, 2 months
SFD vs. Syringe Filter
    #18435373 - 06/18/13 03:17 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Right now I'm currently using tyvek and syringe filters for GE on my grain lids. Tyvek is total crap because it goes bad after a couple uses. The syringe filters seem like they should work in theory. However, it looks like such a small amount of GE. So far they are working for me but the growth in my grain jars is a bit slow.

SFD seems to be the most popular for lids but I've yet to try it.



Could anyone with experience using both please tell me the pros and cons? :thanx:

I tried searching but it was pretty difficult to find threads with the two filters compared.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTrentBoyett
Aspiring Mycologist
Male User Gallery


Registered: 11/29/12
Posts: 16,000
Loc: Kazakhstan
Re: SFD vs. Syringe Filter [Re: Novanity1]
    #18435423 - 06/18/13 03:56 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

I have no first hand experience but I have seen a couple people on here say that syringe filters can restrict GE and lead to slow growth.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleFooMan
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 02/02/05
Posts: 8,957
Loc: Earth Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: SFD vs. Syringe Filter [Re: Novanity1]
    #18435452 - 06/18/13 04:17 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Syringe filters should be used for liquid cultures, not grain jars. They don't provide enough gas exchange for grains, whereas LC's don't need GE. Use the discs for grain jars.


--------------------

Quick WBS Prep


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineKizzle
Misanthrope
 User Gallery

Registered: 08/30/11
Posts: 9,865
Last seen: 1 day, 10 hours
Trusted Cultivator
Re: SFD vs. Syringe Filter [Re: FooMan]
    #18435565 - 06/18/13 05:40 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Depends on what kind of tyvek you're using. The envelope stuff I wouldn't consider reusable but the coverall material is more durable.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineNovanity1
Student

Registered: 08/29/10
Posts: 326
Last seen: 9 years, 2 months
Re: SFD vs. Syringe Filter [Re: Kizzle]
    #18436709 - 06/18/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Kizzle said:
Depends on what kind of tyvek you're using. The envelope stuff I wouldn't consider reusable but the coverall material is more durable.





I'm using the coverall tyvek and it get's really gunky after about 5 uses. I've already thrown half of them out.


Fooman,
Right now I have 6 grain jars with syringe filters on the jar lid. They are definitely slow and I won't be using them anymore, but do you think the growth will stall before 100%?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleFrankHorrigan
The Inquisition
Male


Registered: 01/04/11
Posts: 10,573
Trusted Cultivator
Re: SFD vs. Syringe Filter [Re: FooMan]
    #18436727 - 06/18/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

FooMan said:
Syringe filters should be used for liquid cultures, not grain jars. They don't provide enough gas exchange for grains, whereas LC's don't need GE. Use the discs for grain jars.




:whathesaid:

110%.

Every single trial run I did with grains and syringe filters stalled out. Too little GE.


--------------------

Yes, you can bump my old threads with a question.
Here is how I get things done.
You should take a look. :hehehe:


Frank's tips and tricks. Updated on 3/21/14
AMU- Get an answer here -AMU


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTranscendingLife
I Don't Need a Life to Live
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/09/10
Posts: 21,627
Trusted Cultivator
Re: SFD vs. Syringe Filter [Re: Novanity1]
    #18436779 - 06/18/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

FrankHorrigan said:
Quote:

FooMan said:
Syringe filters should be used for liquid cultures, not grain jars. They don't provide enough gas exchange for grains, whereas LC's don't need GE. Use the discs for grain jars.




:whathesaid:

110%.

Every single trial run I did with grains and syringe filters stalled out. Too little GE.




:imwithstupid:s

Quote:

Novanity1 said:
Quote:

Kizzle said:
Depends on what kind of tyvek you're using. The envelope stuff I wouldn't consider reusable but the coverall material is more durable.





I'm using the coverall tyvek and it get's really gunky after about 5 uses. I've already thrown half of them out.


Fooman,
Right now I have 6 grain jars with syringe filters on the jar lid. They are definitely slow and I won't be using them anymore, but do you think the growth will stall before 100%?




I doubt they'll make it.

Notice the difference in hole size of a SFD vs. a Syringe filter:


VS



--------------------
AMU: We Quickly Answer Questions Here
"One must accept the probability of failure to experience the elation of success." - TranscendingLife
“A man of genius makes no mistakes; his errors are volitional and are the portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
:sporedrop::sporedrop::mushroomgrow::sporedrop::sporedrop::wow:How I Do EVERYTHING:wow::sporedrop::sporedrop::mushroomgrow::sporedrop::sporedrop:
"Your vision will become clear only when you can look into your own heart…. Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes."- Carl Jung
"Anything that can be done chemically can be done by other means."- William S. Burroughs
"You are as dead now as you will ever be" - Seth


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineNovanity1
Student

Registered: 08/29/10
Posts: 326
Last seen: 9 years, 2 months
Re: SFD vs. Syringe Filter [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18436783 - 06/18/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

:whatwhatwhat:



ohhhh noooo I just knocked up 6 different PE jars with the strains I've been isolating on agar. I was really looking forward to this grow. Any suggestions on what I can do if they stall out? Open the lids in and SAB maybe? Replace the lids with proper ones inside an SAB?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTranscendingLife
I Don't Need a Life to Live
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/09/10
Posts: 21,627
Trusted Cultivator
Re: SFD vs. Syringe Filter [Re: Novanity1]
    #18436838 - 06/18/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Novanity1 said:
Replace the lids with proper ones inside an SAB?




Yup.
Sterilize proper lids & transfer them in the SAB.


--------------------
AMU: We Quickly Answer Questions Here
"One must accept the probability of failure to experience the elation of success." - TranscendingLife
“A man of genius makes no mistakes; his errors are volitional and are the portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
:sporedrop::sporedrop::mushroomgrow::sporedrop::sporedrop::wow:How I Do EVERYTHING:wow::sporedrop::sporedrop::mushroomgrow::sporedrop::sporedrop:
"Your vision will become clear only when you can look into your own heart…. Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes."- Carl Jung
"Anything that can be done chemically can be done by other means."- William S. Burroughs
"You are as dead now as you will ever be" - Seth


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleFrankHorrigan
The Inquisition
Male


Registered: 01/04/11
Posts: 10,573
Trusted Cultivator
Re: SFD vs. Syringe Filter [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18436845 - 06/18/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

TranscendingLife said:
Quote:

Novanity1 said:
Replace the lids with proper ones inside an SAB?




Yup.
Sterilize proper lids & transfer them in the SAB.




:whatshesaid:

Wrap the lids in foil. You'll need a way to get them to your SAB clean.


--------------------

Yes, you can bump my old threads with a question.
Here is how I get things done.
You should take a look. :hehehe:


Frank's tips and tricks. Updated on 3/21/14
AMU- Get an answer here -AMU


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTranscendingLife
I Don't Need a Life to Live
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/09/10
Posts: 21,627
Trusted Cultivator
Re: SFD vs. Syringe Filter [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18436883 - 06/18/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

FrankHorrigan said:
Quote:

TranscendingLife said:
Quote:

Novanity1 said:
Replace the lids with proper ones inside an SAB?




Yup.
Sterilize proper lids & transfer them in the SAB.




:whatshesaid:

Wrap the lids in foil. You'll need a way to get them to your SAB clean.




:archiebunker: :confused2: :whatshesaid: ?


--------------------
AMU: We Quickly Answer Questions Here
"One must accept the probability of failure to experience the elation of success." - TranscendingLife
“A man of genius makes no mistakes; his errors are volitional and are the portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
:sporedrop::sporedrop::mushroomgrow::sporedrop::sporedrop::wow:How I Do EVERYTHING:wow::sporedrop::sporedrop::mushroomgrow::sporedrop::sporedrop:
"Your vision will become clear only when you can look into your own heart…. Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes."- Carl Jung
"Anything that can be done chemically can be done by other means."- William S. Burroughs
"You are as dead now as you will ever be" - Seth


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleFrankHorrigan
The Inquisition
Male


Registered: 01/04/11
Posts: 10,573
Trusted Cultivator
Re: SFD vs. Syringe Filter [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18436891 - 06/18/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

:lolsy:

:rofldrunk:

Couldn't find any others than what he said, im with stupid and what she said.


--------------------

Yes, you can bump my old threads with a question.
Here is how I get things done.
You should take a look. :hehehe:


Frank's tips and tricks. Updated on 3/21/14
AMU- Get an answer here -AMU


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineNovanity1
Student

Registered: 08/29/10
Posts: 326
Last seen: 9 years, 2 months
Re: SFD vs. Syringe Filter [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18436928 - 06/18/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Awesome, that's exactly what I had in mind. Thanks a lot guys!

Any time frame this needs to be done in before the grains are fucked? I would have to wait for the SFD's to be mailed here.

I've got 4 lids with the tyvek filters but for the other 2 I'm not sur what I should do. Could I get away using my old PF tek jar lids and putting micropore tape over the 4 holes?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTranscendingLife
I Don't Need a Life to Live
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/09/10
Posts: 21,627
Trusted Cultivator
Re: SFD vs. Syringe Filter [Re: Novanity1]
    #18436975 - 06/18/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Order them shits next day.
Or use the tyvek lids.


--------------------
AMU: We Quickly Answer Questions Here
"One must accept the probability of failure to experience the elation of success." - TranscendingLife
“A man of genius makes no mistakes; his errors are volitional and are the portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
:sporedrop::sporedrop::mushroomgrow::sporedrop::sporedrop::wow:How I Do EVERYTHING:wow::sporedrop::sporedrop::mushroomgrow::sporedrop::sporedrop:
"Your vision will become clear only when you can look into your own heart…. Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes."- Carl Jung
"Anything that can be done chemically can be done by other means."- William S. Burroughs
"You are as dead now as you will ever be" - Seth


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineNovanity1
Student

Registered: 08/29/10
Posts: 326
Last seen: 9 years, 2 months
Re: SFD vs. Syringe Filter [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18437014 - 06/18/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Definitely ordering some SFD immediately but I don't have money to next day ship it. Tyvek it is for now.


Edited by Novanity1 (06/18/13 02:35 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineNovanity1
Student

Registered: 08/29/10
Posts: 326
Last seen: 9 years, 2 months
Re: SFD vs. Syringe Filter [Re: Novanity1]
    #18437456 - 06/18/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

The reason I went with the syringe filters is because the sponsor I bought them from also sells pre-sterilized rye jars with the same type of filters on the lids. So I assumed it would work no problem.:shrug:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTranscendingLife
I Don't Need a Life to Live
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/09/10
Posts: 21,627
Trusted Cultivator
Re: SFD vs. Syringe Filter [Re: Novanity1]
    #18437464 - 06/18/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Yes. There are a few sponsors who advertise that.
It's old information.


--------------------
AMU: We Quickly Answer Questions Here
"One must accept the probability of failure to experience the elation of success." - TranscendingLife
“A man of genius makes no mistakes; his errors are volitional and are the portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
:sporedrop::sporedrop::mushroomgrow::sporedrop::sporedrop::wow:How I Do EVERYTHING:wow::sporedrop::sporedrop::mushroomgrow::sporedrop::sporedrop:
"Your vision will become clear only when you can look into your own heart…. Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes."- Carl Jung
"Anything that can be done chemically can be done by other means."- William S. Burroughs
"You are as dead now as you will ever be" - Seth


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineKizzle
Misanthrope
 User Gallery

Registered: 08/30/11
Posts: 9,865
Last seen: 1 day, 10 hours
Trusted Cultivator
Re: SFD vs. Syringe Filter [Re: Novanity1]
    #18438331 - 06/18/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Novanity1 said:
Quote:

Kizzle said:
Depends on what kind of tyvek you're using. The envelope stuff I wouldn't consider reusable but the coverall material is more durable.





I'm using the coverall tyvek and it get's really gunky after about 5 uses. I've already thrown half of them out.


Fooman,
Right now I have 6 grain jars with syringe filters on the jar lid. They are definitely slow and I won't be using them anymore, but do you think the growth will stall before 100%?



Were you using the tyvek on the bottom side of the lid?


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineNovanity1
Student

Registered: 08/29/10
Posts: 326
Last seen: 9 years, 2 months
Re: SFD vs. Syringe Filter [Re: Kizzle]
    #18438509 - 06/18/13 06:41 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Nope, topside only. I even put a small layer of silicone on the bottom side.



I do this to prevent the inside from rusting.


Here's the top




It's two 1/4" with a double layer of tyvek over the top. I use double for extra protection just in case the tyvek gets wet. Not sure if the double layer makes a difference in that sense but I know it doesn't restrict GE because I've had some great growth with these lids.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTranscendingLife
I Don't Need a Life to Live
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/09/10
Posts: 21,627
Trusted Cultivator
Re: SFD vs. Syringe Filter [Re: Novanity1]
    #18441411 - 06/19/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)



Kitty! :cat:

:beercat:  :catman:


--------------------
AMU: We Quickly Answer Questions Here
"One must accept the probability of failure to experience the elation of success." - TranscendingLife
“A man of genius makes no mistakes; his errors are volitional and are the portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
:sporedrop::sporedrop::mushroomgrow::sporedrop::sporedrop::wow:How I Do EVERYTHING:wow::sporedrop::sporedrop::mushroomgrow::sporedrop::sporedrop:
"Your vision will become clear only when you can look into your own heart…. Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes."- Carl Jung
"Anything that can be done chemically can be done by other means."- William S. Burroughs
"You are as dead now as you will ever be" - Seth


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | Next >  [ show all ]

Shop: Mushroom-Hut Liquid Cultures   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Myyco.com Isolated Cubensis Liquid Culture For Sale   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   North Spore Injection Grain Bag


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* micron filters skyler 1,187 2 11/06/01 10:51 AM
by mrshrums
* Homemade filter discs
( 1 2 all )
shrogg 4,754 20 01/10/02 07:49 AM
by Anno
* Do I need coffee filters and plolyfill ? jtk 720 4 03/31/05 04:03 PM
by TODAY
* I am scared to do a Print/syring!
( 1 2 all )
fearforce7 9,062 27 12/30/21 08:54 AM
by Forrester
* LC leaking through syringe filter? Guerrilla 609 7 05/10/21 04:19 AM
by Guerrilla
* Possible Contaminate Syring godson 1,572 5 05/16/04 09:09 PM
by ButterNut
* Cheap permeant jar lid filter.
( 1 2 3 all )
SixTango 12,317 52 01/29/03 09:31 AM
by shroomologist
* HEPA filter Toricious 680 6 10/07/03 04:05 PM
by Toricious

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Shroomism, george castanza, RogerRabbit, veggie, mushboy, fahtster, LogicaL Chaos, 13shrooms, Stipe-n Cap, Pastywhyte, bodhisatta, Tormato, Land Trout, A.k.a
4,820 topic views. 19 members, 140 guests and 35 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.02 seconds spending 0.002 seconds on 14 queries.