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copelandiacyan
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Harvesting and potency of active mushrooms
#18435219 - 06/18/13 01:46 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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a lot of people ask about harvesting mushrooms long after the veil breaks, and trying to get more weight, I am no scientist, just sharing what i have gathered over the years....
The mushroom uses your favorite drugs as a defense, a sort of natural pesticide. The main focus of the mushroom, as we all know, is to open up and release its spores. The closer the mushroom is to releasing spores, the more important it is to protect its self. Therefore, the highest psilocybin and psilocin content in a mushroom will be just a bit after the veil breaks. This is definitely why you want to harvest at that time. Continuing growth will definitely increase weight, but keep in mind you are losing the number of active alkaloid content per weight.
TIP ON CUTS: when harvesting I like to be careful not to cut the stem. I like to carefully rotate at the very base of the mushroom not to expose the inters to air. taking a little mycelium with you is better than oxidizing the active alkaloids. psilocybin is a little forgivable, thats because psilocybin is later dephosphorylated in your blood into psilocin. The psilocin naturally in the mushroom (which you DO want) oxidizes very quickly, it is EXTREMELY unstable in oxygen... giving off blue/black discoloration. by preserving this before you eat fresh, I have found, that you will get a faster more potent experience.
Hope this helps someone out!
Edited by copelandiacyan (06/18/13 11:00 AM)
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Re: Harvesting and potency of active mushrooms [Re: copelandiacyan]
#18435224 - 06/18/13 01:49 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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copelandiacyan said: I Have had a lot of people ask me personally about harvesting mushrooms long after the veil breaks, and trying to get more weight, So i thought i would clear up a few things for those who grow, but dont really understand the science behind it. I am no scientist, just sharing what i have gathered over the years....
The mushroom uses your favorite drugs as a defense, a sort of natural pesticide. The main focus of the mushroom, as we all know, is to open up and release its spores. The closer the mushroom is to releasing spores, the more important it is to protect its self. Therefore, the highest psilocybin and psilocin content in a mushroom will be just a bit after the veil breaks. This is definitely why you want to harvest at that time. Continuing growth will definitely increase weight, but keep in mind you are losing the number of active alkaloid content per weight.
TIP ON CUTS: when harvesting I like to be careful not to cut the stem. I like to carefully rotate at the very base of the mushroom not to expose the inters to air. taking a little mycelium with you is better than oxidizing the active alkaloids. psilocybin is a little forgivable, thats because psilocybin is later dephosphorylated in your blood into psilocin. The psilocin naturally in the mushroom (which you DO want) oxidizes very quickly, it is EXTREMELY unstable in oxygen... giving off blue/black discoloration. by preserving this before you eat fresh, I have found, that you will get a faster more potent experience.
Hope this helps someone out!
I knew to harvest at this time cuz best potency to weight, but didn't know the details behind it. Good shit. Learned something new.
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copelandiacyan
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Re: Harvesting and potency of active mushrooms [Re: ConcreteWaves]
#18435356 - 06/18/13 03:01 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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ConcreteWaves said: I knew to harvest at this time cuz best potency to weight, but didn't know the details behind it. Good shit. Learned something new.
Glad to hear I could pass it on brotha!
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GoldenArrow
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Re: Harvesting and potency of active mushrooms [Re: copelandiacyan]
#18435451 - 06/18/13 04:17 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Would like to see more opinions as the general advice around here has been to harvest before the veil breaks.
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Re: Harvesting and potency of active mushrooms [Re: copelandiacyan]
#18435501 - 06/18/13 04:55 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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copelandiacyan said: I Have had a lot of people ask me personally about harvesting mushrooms long after the veil breaks, and trying to get more weight
I'm assuming with only 4 posts you mean people in your personal life. Bad idea to let people know you grow.
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llama_police
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Re: Harvesting and potency of active mushrooms [Re: GoldenArrow]
#18435505 - 06/18/13 04:58 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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GoldenArrow said: Would like to see more opinions as the general advice around here has been to harvest before the veil breaks.
That's strange. I've mostly only read around here that it's best to harvest just after they break.
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jjbigbuds
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Re: Harvesting and potency of active mushrooms [Re: llama_police]
#18435520 - 06/18/13 05:07 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think 'just before' is actually the preferred time to harvest...it is for me, anyway, and I remember RR making a post about 'best quality just before the break' not all that long ago.
So, imho, it doesn't really matter that much, but I'd rather get them before there's any possiblity of a spore drop rather than get a tiny bit of additional weight. A black canopy is one of my least favorite things to see.
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Fuzz-nutter


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Re: Harvesting and potency of active mushrooms [Re: jjbigbuds]
#18435579 - 06/18/13 05:45 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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TIP ON CUTS: when harvesting I like to be careful not to cut the stem. I like to carefully rotate at the very base of the mushroom not to expose the inters to air.
Ain't nobody got time for that!
blade to the base, long wide slices taking down a forest of shrooms with each swipe is my preferred method. Balls to your oxidization
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Kizzle
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Re: Harvesting and potency of active mushrooms [Re: Fuzz-nutter]
#18435626 - 06/18/13 06:11 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Continuing growth will definitely increase weight, but keep in mind you are losing the number of active alkaloid content per weight.
More weight for that particular mushroom but less weight for the ones that are still growing. In the end I doubt letting mushrooms fully mature is going to increase your yield anyway. Always seems to be the opposite to me.
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Re: Harvesting and potency of active mushrooms [Re: Kizzle]
#18435692 - 06/18/13 06:55 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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copelandiacyan said: The psilocin naturally in the mushroom (which you DO want) oxidizes very quickly, it is EXTREMELY unstable in oxygen... giving off blue/black discoloration. by preserving this before you eat fresh, I have found, that you will get a faster more potent experience
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FrankHorrigan said:

Stamets has stated repeatedly that bruising is caused by the oxidation of phenols, which are not related to alkaloids.
Next time let's try a little bit more research before openly stating false information like that. With 4 posts I'm not sure if what you say has much credibility in the first place.
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copelandiacyan
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Re: Harvesting and potency of active mushrooms [Re: George Sears]
#18436273 - 06/18/13 10:52 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Tacomandood said:
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copelandiacyan said: The psilocin naturally in the mushroom (which you DO want) oxidizes very quickly, it is EXTREMELY unstable in oxygen... giving off blue/black discoloration. by preserving this before you eat fresh, I have found, that you will get a faster more potent experience
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FrankHorrigan said:

Stamets has stated repeatedly that bruising is caused by the oxidation of phenols, which are not related to alkaloids.
Next time let's try a little bit more research before openly stating false information like that. With 4 posts I'm not sure if what you say has much credibility in the first place. 
Thanks for the debate guys, it really is a great topic. Like I said, it was sharing information I have gathered. Good advice to not claim something true unless absolutely confirmed. Yet..
The oxidation of alkaloids ABSOLUTELY DO give off blueish/black, along with phenols! so we are both right.
the chemical structure of the ALKALOID psilocin has a group called (-OH) or phenolic hydroxy. The alkaloids do blue after the oxidation of (-OH) which is found in psilocin. =D
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Edited by copelandiacyan (06/18/13 10:58 AM)
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copelandiacyan
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Re: Harvesting and potency of active mushrooms [Re: FooMan]
#18436288 - 06/18/13 10:57 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Good call Fooman.... I need to change my wording a bit
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: Harvesting and potency of active mushrooms [Re: George Sears]
#18436371 - 06/18/13 11:17 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bluing is caused by the oxidation of phenols. You can't identify an active mushroom just by a bluing reaction, contrary to many people's opinions. Nor does bluing indicate potency or lack thereof.
Plus, what's the harm in cutting the mushroom?
I slice my bigger fruits in half, long-ways, and dry them. No difference in potency noticeable, and this is over hundreds of tubs.
edit: this is referencing your deleted post telling us to shut up- Best not be butthurt so early in the game man. There's a lot you can learn here if you're not too busy criticizing us, taking things personally, or trying to prove yourself 
Edited by FrankHorrigan (06/18/13 11:29 AM)
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copelandiacyan
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Re: Harvesting and potency of active mushrooms [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18436442 - 06/18/13 11:32 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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thanks man... well said
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: Harvesting and potency of active mushrooms [Re: copelandiacyan]
#18436479 - 06/18/13 11:42 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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No worries, and welcome to the shroomery 
I would hate to see you go the route of so many others...that route being a quickly escalating series of posts resulting in a locked thread. Then the OP never returns and no one ever learns what they could have taught us if they'd stuck it out.
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