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Re: Governmental Brainstorming [Re: Deiymiyan]
#1846908 - 08/24/03 10:30 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Deiymiyan said: It IS possible that an organization can originate one day that satisfies everyone...
This may be possible, but it seems highly improbable.
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... what would the perfect government "look" like?
Self government. Humans must transcend the idea that they must govern each other, we must all learn to govern ourselves and voluntarily work to make a better life for our fellow man. We must recognize that society and the state are two separate things, an enlightened society would have grown past the belief in the need for a state. I believe we must evolve past governments, or we will continue to repeat the mistakes of the past.
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Re: Governmental Brainstorming [Re: domite]
#1846918 - 08/24/03 10:34 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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domite said: I dont think anyone would argue with communism in its ideal final form...
You are mistaken, many would.
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Re: Governmental Brainstorming [Re: Autonomous]
#1847166 - 08/25/03 12:17 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Self government. Humans must transcend the idea that they must govern each other, we must all learn to govern ourselves and voluntarily work to make a better life for our fellow man. We must recognize that society and the state are two separate things, an enlightened society would have grown past the belief in the need for a state. I believe we must evolve past governments, or we will continue to repeat the mistakes of the past.
well, ought not education be the highest priority of the state if the state is just a transitory phase before "enlightenment"?
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Re: Governmental Brainstorming [Re: Malachi]
#1847220 - 08/25/03 12:38 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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When the state controls education, education will be used to benefit the state ("All rise for the pledge of allegiance" - "Now Johnny, show us what kind of cigarettes your daddy smokes. The ones twisted at the ends? Good boy, you get a DARE ribbon"). If you want good little robots who will do their 'civic duty' by being totally compliant to the powers that be, education should be the highest priority of the state.
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Re: Governmental Brainstorming [Re: ]
#1847481 - 08/25/03 03:11 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just wish i didnt live under a republic that swears on its founding fathers graves that it is still Democratic. Please, Canada, Switserland... places where you can smoke weed and noone gives a rats ass thats Democracy....
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Re: Governmental Brainstorming [Re: Spokesman]
#1847611 - 08/25/03 05:21 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Socialistic democracy, middle of the road, slightly to the left... ahh, what a place this is. Peace.
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Re: Governmental Brainstorming [Re: Deiymiyan]
#1848292 - 08/25/03 12:41 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank-you everyone for taking the time to share your ideas !!!!
A panel of minds sharing different perspectives is the way to go !
If there was such thing as a virtual government body, we are examples of it right here.
As this thread grows with further ideas, I will compile a summary for future reference... Everyone here will have played a major role !
Now.. The notion that everyone will have to take responsibility and help in making it a success is an essential aspect of it...
To take responsibility, however, one needs to find or cultivate a sense of caring/ stewartship..
I think, like many, that it all begins with the individual ... As the "sense of caring" grows around each one person, eventually, the boundaries surrounding them will overlap with those of others...
What I mean by that is: As more caring individuals become that way, the likelyhood of running into another of like mind is increased. Forward progression will be a wonderful side-effect stemming from each individual's acceptance and self development.
Now... Before anyone starts rambling about peace movement, the 60's or 70's, or whatever, let's discuss something further...
Many people out there face certain difficulties [I'd say, everyone.. but there may actually be people out there who are really happy].
Especially, if you face real big hardship, your sense of caring reflects an "I don't give a shit attitude".
How might it be possible to alter that mode of thinking?
I think a Governmental Body would need to lead by way of example...
So the change would need to be seen within the organization first I would imagine.
So let's pretend for a bit, that we were the organization... [Ya ya... pretend... child's play...]...
How can we work towards a state of acceptance the "shitty" cards we've been dealt and work towards forward progression...
Let us attempt to keep the discussion somewhat grounded and close to home... Let's see how real we can keep this..
For example... If you are going to suggest some kind of spiritual development... please don't say something like: "We need to be ONE with God" or anything like that...
This place can become better... No doubt it will need to start with the individual and expand from there... How do you help those who feel like they've "fallen and can't get up"?
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Re: Governmental Brainstorming [Re: Deiymiyan]
#1848495 - 08/25/03 02:00 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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We can accept what we have and work towards something further by working our way to higher consciousness.
You have to realize that a lot of our programming was originally intended for survival in the jungle, but yet it still finds its way into almost every aspect of our life. We hold very individual, seperate views of ourself as compared to people in general, as if we have a dire need to stay alive and everyone is a possible threat towards taking something from us.
We have security issues. We feel that what we have right now isn't good enough, or that someone is constantly threatening us, trying to take what is ours. We're always worried about something. We're always preoccuppied with something else, and all of this burns our precious energy to the ground.
We have sensation issues. We develop needs to a lot of different sensations and experiences, and always work our way towards achieving these sensations. Of course, you can't ever have enough of a good thing. When we aren't experiencing these sensations, we suffer because we don't have what we "need"..
We have power issues. We like to impose our ideas and view on others. Everything has to be done our way, everything must correspond to how we think it should be. When we aren't in a position to exert power, we fight, so that we can be in power once again.
These are all issues of lower consciousness (the first three levels). We become addicted to these things, attached to them. Being attached to something means that if you aren't getting it, you suffer.
The first step towards working towards something greater is eliminating our addictions, and our seperateness that is a cause of this.
There is probably nothing that we have felt or experienced that is different than any other person, we all have good days, we all have bad days. We're not that different, but yet we always feel that we are different; we tell ourselves that we are better than other people, etc.
When you come to disconnect yourself from these lower consciousness, and regard everyone as a person who is climbing the ladder of higher consciousness, you can start to love them. We are just people working our way up the ladder. Even if they are still rooted in their security, or hold on to certain addictions. We all suffer because we have tied ourselves to certain issues.
The first step towards working to something greater and more evolved is in personal growth. Pulling the plugs on these addictions. The more people that are experiencing things from higher consciousness, the more the idea that we are all One will shine through. If we all regard ourselves as One, and love ourselves, we will be loving everyone. I mean, we are all going through the same shit, striving for something better. Even if we might be in a little bit higher place than others, they are all still trying to get to where we are, even if they don't quite realize how.
The more love and compassion there is, the easier this will be easier to obtain, and the first step is personal growth. If we get to a higher place individually, it will shine through to others; they will realize "Hey, this guy doesn't get bothered at all emotionally when his car suddenly breaks down, or if he gets a pay cut, he just sort of goes with the flow of what life offers and accepts it, all the while still living his life and using our gift of free will.. it must be nice to be in that state of mind. I need to start working towards that".
Anyways, there is a lot I missed, a lot of the ideas are what I learned and applied from the Handbook to Higher Consciousness by Alan Keyes. I mentioned the "One", but I don't think I did it in some way as if just saying that was suspossed to explain it or something, which is what I think you meant by saying not to say it.. I'd just definitely recommend reading the book, because if I was going to touch on everything that needs to be touched on, I would just be writing the book again, in my own words, and I don't even have a copy in this country.. hehe. And good luck. We are all on the same path. Peace.
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I believe the best government should be no government at all. I think if everything was free and there was no money and everyone just put in their part, it would totally work. i'd be more motivated cuz i'd be like well fuck i got it made so why not put in a couple hours of work fuck.
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why would anyone put in there part if their is no goverment? I do get what your saying but its really hard to imagine you know you would have to be armed to the teeth.
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Re: Governmental Brainstorming [Re: domite]
#1855879 - 08/27/03 05:49 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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domite said: I dont think anyone would argue with communism in its ideal final form, I just think people dont think it can get there in the first place.
agreed
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