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oxana
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thoughts on damians tek
#18426985 - 06/16/13 10:26 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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hey am i the only one on here who thinks that the boiling water part of damian 5050s tek is unnecessary
ive done about 20 tubs without adding boiling water to the coir and have had complete success. im even using the lowerer salt content horticultural grade coco coir its 0.4EC.
im saving so much time as it takes forever for my stove to get the water boiling like 40min
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: oxana]
#18427002 - 06/16/13 10:29 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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i used his tek once and had so so results. im now using franks tek AND HOLY SHIT! easy too.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17246844#17246844
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oxana
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: Growth]
#18427035 - 06/16/13 10:36 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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sounds like a lot of work
im just dumping hot water on my coir letting it hydrate. then mixed the spawn and verm in a bag and dumping it into a tub. i can prepare lots of tubs in only one hours time this way, im going to leave my stove for my PCs from now on. and spend the time i save with my friends
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: oxana]
#18427047 - 06/16/13 10:39 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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My main complaint with Damian's bucket tek is that its dry. So when I open the bucket for the first mix I pour in another quart of water at 185F. Helps even it out.
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: oxana]
#18427051 - 06/16/13 10:40 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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oxana said: sounds like a lot of work
no the work that counts is the work you did to get to this point, i'd hate to see all of that work go to shit because properly pasturizing seemed like alot of work so you used the bucket tek, just saying bro!
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: cronicr]
#18427095 - 06/16/13 10:52 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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i had the bucket fail me this last time using it but might have used coir with trich added as i got it from amazon and didnt even come packaged but ya cronicrs right thatd be sad to have all that spawn to waste because of unproper pasteurization... id go with franks tek. better safe than sorry.
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: tko]
#18427102 - 06/16/13 10:54 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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also, how do you have great success without pasteurization..??
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: tko]
#18427116 - 06/16/13 10:59 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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It is pasteurized as far as I can tell, he's just using "hot" water in place of boiling water. water boils at 212F/100C, pasteurization is from 140-160F.
So, basically, it's just semantics. hot vs boiling.
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: tko]
#18427133 - 06/16/13 11:02 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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tko said: also, how do you have great success without pasteurization..??
dumping boiling water isnt pasturization anyways. the coir is comtam resistant because of the salt it makes it hard for spores to germinate. i get my coir straight from india in the form of a pallet
my spawn is very clean. and i get full colonization in 3-4 days no comtams

ill update this after i do another 50 tubs
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: cronicr]
#18427156 - 06/16/13 11:10 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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cronicr said:
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oxana said: sounds like a lot of work
no the work that counts is the work you did to get to this point, i'd hate to see all of that work go to shit because properly pasturizing seemed like alot of work so you used the bucket tek, just saying bro!
its not really that much work to make spawn and seeing how im not losing tubs your logic doesnt make sense
im going to build one of these and steam my rye spawn spawn bags for 8-10hrs rodger wabbit says he got 100% sterillization this way with rye. in a 55 gallon starillizer thats over 100qts per vessel, very little bull shit. just inject steam until i hit 1 psi and keep it there
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/55-Gallon-Drum-Sterilizer http://www.mushroomvideos.com/55-Gallon-Drum-Sterilizer
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: oxana]
#18427161 - 06/16/13 11:11 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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so how HOT of water do you use??? id be afraid that boiling water will even retain pasteurization temps for an hour,let alone "HOT" water...
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oxana
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: spacechildo]
#18427163 - 06/16/13 11:12 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: It is pasteurized as far as I can tell, he's just using "hot" water in place of boiling water. water boils at 212F/100C, pasteurization is from 140-160F.
So, basically, it's just semantics. hot vs boiling.
i didnt say it was pasturization its just hot water hydrates coir much faster than cold water so why use cold water?
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: oxana]
#18427171 - 06/16/13 11:15 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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lol im completelyyyyy lost....u have ppl sayinb damions tek isnt too great and to use franks and now your saying just hydrate it??? lol
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: oxana]
#18427180 - 06/16/13 11:17 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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pasturizing really helps the mycelium digest the coir, yes coir is contam resistant but not contam proof, if your just gonna go ahead and do it your way anyway then y ask in the first place? just to ?
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: tko]
#18427182 - 06/16/13 11:18 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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the only thing im saying is that "i dont pasturize and i dont lose tubs with coir"
im not hear to argue with you as your obviously more experianced
the reason i am here is to see if anyone else is doing the same and also not losing tubs?
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: oxana]
#18427187 - 06/16/13 11:21 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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ok i gotcha! if it helps matters any i use coir for what it's made for in my terrarium without pasturizing, it lasts 4-6 weeks np
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: cronicr]
#18427189 - 06/16/13 11:22 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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cronicr said: pasteurizing really helps the mycelium digest the coir, yes coir is contam resistant but not contam proof, if your just gonna go ahead and do it your way anyway then y ask in the first place? just to ?
also why does pasteurizing helps the mycelium digest the coir
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: oxana]
#18427201 - 06/16/13 11:25 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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oxana
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: cronicr]
#18427206 - 06/16/13 11:27 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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cronicr said: ok i gotcha! if it helps matters any i use coir for what it's made for in my terrarium without pasturizing, it lasts 4-6 weeks np
the reason i tryed not pasturizing was because i pasurized some coir the legit way in bags in 160F water and ended up leaving them in the basement for a year. i had 40 bags and none of them had any mold growing on them so i ended up using them to grow some herb(s)
if anyone else out there doesnt pasturized or dump boiling water let me know as i feel im not alone.
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: oxana]
#18427215 - 06/16/13 11:29 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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these boards are full of this shit lately
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oxana
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: Pastywhyte]
#18427225 - 06/16/13 11:32 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14795237#14795237
interesing does anyone know what the reason behind pasurtizing making it easier to digest is. im getting 7-8ounces per tub in the first flush using 5qts spawn and then i dump the tub in my garden.
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: cronicr]
#18427231 - 06/16/13 11:34 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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cronicr said: these boards are full of this shit lately
am i full of shit?
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: oxana]
#18427236 - 06/16/13 11:35 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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do you use a certain brand?? i just find it hard to believe you didnt lose one tub..not arguing either it just intrigues me...wouldnt you wana take an extra hr of time and pasteurize since you wait weeks during spawn run anyway???? or maybe your eating contaminated mushies n dont know it...
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: oxana]
#18427249 - 06/16/13 11:38 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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 i don't know what else to say..we showed you tc's and mods alike telling you to pasturize as it's better then just hydrating
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: tko]
#18427251 - 06/16/13 11:38 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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my coir came from Icoir solutions. you cant buy it in stores you have to buy it by the pallet. its $640 but you get 2400 pounds. its definitly not enriched with trichoderma
thats $3.70 for a 5KG or $0.48 for a 650gram bricks worth
Edited by oxana (06/16/13 11:41 AM)
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oxana
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: cronicr]
#18427270 - 06/16/13 11:42 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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cronicr said:
 i don't know what else to say..we showed you tc's and mods alike telling you to pasturize as it's better then just hydrating
cool ill do a side by side and see if i can get over my averge of 7-8zips ill report back
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: cronicr]
#18427286 - 06/16/13 11:46 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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cronicr said:
 i don't know what else to say..we showed you tc's and mods alike telling you to pasturize as it's better then just hydrating
cool check back if you find out the exact mode of action as im always interested in the technicalities
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: oxana]
#18427297 - 06/16/13 11:48 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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over a ton of coir...lol wowww i seen it all now. does a flatbed semi deliver it or does it fit in your mailbox?
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oxana
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: tko]
#18427302 - 06/16/13 11:50 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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nope i pick it up with a trailer in two loads
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oxana
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: oxana]
#18427314 - 06/16/13 11:52 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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although i could have it delivered they would send a semi trailer out you are correct. the driver gets pissed if you dont have a piece of equipment to unload it though.
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: oxana]
#18427388 - 06/16/13 12:07 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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when i used damions tek it didnt take me long at all. when i used franks tek, it took a bit longer, but not too much longer. i also feel much more confident with this grow because of the pasteurization method.
an added thought... soaking my colonized grains for 20 minutes before adding them to my coir/ verm mix mad a HUGE difference in growth speed. my last tub took close to 1 1/2-2 weeks to fully colonize. this go around, 4, maybe 5 days. just for extra kicks i let it sit for a good 7 days.
i think by monday ill see a glorious knot/ pinning.
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: Growth]
#18427788 - 06/16/13 01:36 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Growth said: when i used damions tek it didnt take me long at all. when i used franks tek, it took a bit longer, but not too much longer. i also feel much more confident with this grow because of the pasteurization method.
an added thought... soaking my colonized grains for 20 minutes before adding them to my coir/ verm mix mad a HUGE difference in growth speed. my last tub took close to 1 1/2-2 weeks to fully colonize. this go around, 4, maybe 5 days. just for extra kicks i let it sit for a good 7 days.
i think by monday ill see a glorious knot/ pinning.
sweet dude i love finally seeing those knots. i would just go ahead and use the boiling water but i make alot of tubs and i could spend all day in the kitchen
does anyone else wait to do their fanning until they see a half dozen mushrooms 0.5 to 1.0 inches long? such as how transending life taught me. i find that i get mushrooms just as quick with the long consolidation period.
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Re: thoughts on damians tek [Re: oxana]
#18427945 - 06/16/13 02:11 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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i fanned a few times today right after introducing the tub. i wont touch it for another 24 hours. after that i will continue with the fanning. i do have a small fan that allows for a decent air flow as well.
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