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Re: Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted [Re: DystopianUtopia]
    #18382254 - 06/07/13 09:23 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

FAE= Fresh air exchange. most mushrooms need some degree of fresh air to initiate pins.

RH= relative humidity? i think. maybe its raw humidity. either way RH is the measurement of moisture in the air. if you have a hygrometer it will give you your RH in a percentage.

for example. when i run my dehumidifier the RH of the air in my house is usually 0-10% RH. not humid. outside its pouring rain. so the RH outside is alomst 100%, because its raining.

you want to air on the top of that block to maintain between 85%-100% RH

this tek may help http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17736027#17736027

(timethyl likes to use lots of big words)

you literally put of piece of bubble wrap over your pinning surface which helps maintain RH while allowing FAE

Edited by TheBoomking (06/07/13 09:40 AM)

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Re: Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted [Re: k00laid]
    #18382295 - 06/07/13 09:36 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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looks contaminated to me




What exactly are you looking at that indicates contamination?






the picture :lolsy: i dont know how i can be any more descript

but it looks gooey

and gooey means bacteria.




yeah that was not contaminated obviously... if it even were a bit "gooey" it would be a form of bacillus  which is minor, I've seen mycelium take over many times.

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Re: Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted [Re: TheBoomking]
    #18382410 - 06/07/13 10:14 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Well i'm glad you think so, you seem to know what you're talking about, so thank you for restoring my hope in this little experiment, I was getting frustrated.

I will do what you've said, wait a few weeks, and report back as to whether it was a success or failure.

Thanks again for your help!

Wish me luck.


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Re: Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted [Re: DystopianUtopia]
    #18382462 - 06/07/13 10:28 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

no problem man, and yes, Good luck! :cheers:

sorry pinheads will be white, and I discourage the use of the pf tek. I've never tried it/used it so I wouldn't personally know how great it can be.

But I do have a decent understanding of this stuff and it seems like you should skip right over the PF tek, and just buy a pressure cooker. (pretty sure the whole point of the pk tek is you dont need to invest in a PC - pressure cooker)

But I'm telling you, buy a shitty PC for 100 bucks if you can afford it. (if you cant afford it, save up some cash cus its truly necesary in my opinion)

it just opens up the doors to the wonderful world of mycology

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Re: Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted [Re: TheBoomking]
    #18422022 - 06/15/13 04:10 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Hey guys

I'm back, with another problem/question. Thanks all of you for your help, it's great of you! Please you could just advise me once more and then that should be it.

So it's been a week since I started spraying water into the humidity tent and allowing more FAE. What I've noticed happening on the top was that more mycelium was breaking though (as you can probably see from the pics). I'd been spraying then interior of the tent twice a day and I also gave the inside of the grow bag a spray of water as well each day. Yesterday, however (about 16 hours ago), I noticed my first pinhead! :laugh:

I've been keeping the bag at 22-24.5 degrees it seems.

At first I thought it was just brown rice sticking through the top of the mycelium, but upon further inspection it was circular and dark brown, and had a white body. Hooray, it's working I thought. It's grown a little bit since I noticed it, it's a bit bigger than
in the picture, it's clearly sticking its body several millimeters out of the mycelium now. I also noticed another one growing down the side of the bag, though upon a thorough inspection I cannot spot any more. Is this normal to only see two and no more popping up at this stage? There are no signs of them but I'm expecting more, the instructions says allow 5-8 days for pinheads to fully grow.


However, my problem is that went I took the tinfoil off the bag to inspect the whole block, I noticed some worrying green patches on the block. Definitely seems to be mould, you can't see it in the pictures, but there are a couple of tinted green patches either side, as well as some orange patches which I'm not sure whether they're mould or mycelium piss. Anyway, am I fucked because of this mould or does the fact that my block is fully colonized mean that it will fight the contamination and stop it spreading? In either scenario, what should I do?

How will this affect my flushes? Do you think it will stop my shrooms from growing, cut the yield, or not affect it at all? If the second option, what amount of fresh shrooms should I realistically expect to yield?

This is disheartening but I still have hope, those pinheads look promising.

Anyway, please answer my questions and I'm very grateful for your help. Good vibes to all of you!

Here are the pics of what's going on:



PS: As I said, I have trouble telling whether something brown I see is grain or a pinhead in the works. Can anyone hazard a guess on the brown specs I've highlighted in orange?


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Re: Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted [Re: DystopianUtopia]
    #18422489 - 06/15/13 09:05 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Looking good man! :cheers:

Sorry to hear about this potential contamination. honestly from the pics it looks more blue than green. Which is usually bruising from handling the block itself to much.

But keep an eye on it and maybe post another pic?

If it is contaminated -

You will likely only get this one flush and the yield will vary greatly.

then you could put it outside in a garden or under a shaded tree and try and fruit it there for another flush. (assuming you live rurally)

If everything fine and that's just bruising -

Keep misting cus everythings looking good! (but not too much and not too directly on the pins/shrooms. the evaporation of the water off the top of the block is one of the things that triggers fruitings, so once its pinning you don't want to over water the new fruits as they can abort)

What will most likely happen is more pins with push up under the verm or simply after the appearance of these first two.

And if you don;t get more pins, all the energy will go into what you have so youll get a couple beefy shrooms. (but then you'll be expecting a subsequent flush so no worries mon  :jah: )

Its hard to speculate what the orange is. To me it looks like uncolonized millet, millet probably wasn't even involved in the creation of this kit.

I'm hopeful it's more pins!

Be patient man and everything will come in time your on your way!:cheers:

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Re: Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted [Re: TheBoomking]
    #18426728 - 06/16/13 09:07 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Hey boomking!

Thanks for responding. Sorry I've taken so long to reply considering how quick you've always been.

Anyway, the two pins are have gotten noticeably bigger since I posted, which is promising. However there's no signs of new ones and that after closer inspection those brown specs are not pinheads but just pieces of grain, or so I'm pretty sure anyway.

Do you think it's very unrealistic to get 10 dried grams from these two shrooms that are growing now in one flush? It's just that that's the minimum I want before I'm not disappointed really, and even that's only one heavy solo trip and one slightly more mild trip. Oh well, I'll be grateful for anything.

I've taken another look at the potential mould and I fear that it is spreading. I've got some more pics to show you, you might think again that it looks dark blue, but IRL I'm pretty sure it appears to be tinted dark green. It could be either the light I'm looking at it under or a slight problem with the white balance on my camera. Anyway, have a look and see what you think.

There appears to be a lot of moisture at the bottom of the bag. I think this probably hasn't helped the contam and is probably due to the fact that I've been spraying a lot of water in the humidity tent recently. Before these pins popped up I was spraying around the tent but away from the bag a few times, and then I would spray once directly into the bag. When you told me to spray the block, I initially thoroughly washed out a bottle of old disinfectant several times with hot water, and filled it up with clean distilled water. I used this to spray it with for a bit, then I worried that I might not have cleaned it 100%, so in the days between my empty spray bottle which I now have that came through the post arriving, I would wash my hands, dissolve some water in a paper towel, and carefully and slowly squeeze small amounts of water into the humidity tent and grow bag. I'm not sure if these actions could have done something bad, but I now have a clean spray bottle and i'll learn from this in future.

Also, why do you think that I can expect another flush if I only get two mushrooms, even though the bag is contaminated. Also, why is dumping it outside going to help? I live in medium sized town in England, so I have a good garden to put it in, but the temperatures range from 10-25 degrees at the moment, the amount of rain and humidity varies a lot, and Cubensis does not grow in the UK in the wild, so surely it would not be suitable to grow here outside? How should I go about this/

Also, is this safe? I have a cat that explores the garden a lot, as well as having the neighbour's cats coming, and I worry that if they were sniffing around the block the might accidentally breathe in some nasty bacteria or something. Should I not do it because of this? I do also care about my own well-being haha.

Finally, will these shrooms be safe to eat? It's just that I'm worried that if the mycelium is getting colonized by mould, then surely all that nasty bacteria could also infect the shrooms?

Think that's all I needed to say. Thanks a lot boomking and I look forward to your reply. here are some pics. :grin:

it's just annoying that this didn't happen earlier, and I could've learned from it and got another crop sooner. it's annoying as i'll have less shrooms for the summer, aw well. Can't wait until my next attempt at growing shrooms, definitely gonna buy a PC.

thanks!



PS: I've noticed that my pinheads are not growing on the white mycelium but coming up from the brown uncolonized casing layer. Is there a reason for this or is it just coincidence as to where they happened to have popped up with my grow?


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Re: Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted [Re: DystopianUtopia]
    #18429292 - 06/16/13 07:12 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

The exposed grains is not a good look unfortunately... it can open your block up to potential contamination.

this makes me wonder if it was 100% when you introduced it to FAE or did you see the pins and open it up? or f the grains became exposed due to handling... either way exposed, uncolonized grains are not a good thing.

Gut instinct if your handling it too much :shrug: (the pics looks like bruising from handling)

I think you still have a good chance that it isn't even contaminated, so you may be able to get another flush inside after this one.

you have nothing to fear about cats getting into it.

The reason youll need to throw it outside if its contaminated, is -
A this could slow down the rate at which the contamination takes over the block
B you can get (sometimes) a decent amount of mushrooms out of an already failed project
C the contamination could be harmful to you or your animals that are nearby it, IE a lot of molds sporuoulate excessively and you don;t want to breath that shit in.

unless your outside temps are getting below 50 degrees at night, UKs weather should be fine if not ideal :thumbup:

Oh and I forgot to say that with the excess water in the bottom, rip a little hole to drain it out and tape it back up. This is what I do in my tubs, I drill a hole in the bottom corner and retape it once i drain.

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