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OfflineMastaBlastar
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Easy Felt mono tubs
    #18416763 - 06/13/13 11:49 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I have not been able to find any active threads on this or really any teks other than Barakkas and am looking for advice from those who have experience using easy felt to cover holes in mono tubs VS using polyfil.  I am interested more in ezfelt over polyfil just due to how easy it is to work with vs polyfil.  I have read and been told it is difficult to dial in and am wondering if anyone has any advice on this.  I am thinking about 6-8 possibly 10 2' holes on 66-73quart tubs.  4 at sub level on the long sides, one up top on each end.  thinking about adding one in the middle maybe 2/3-3/4 up the side on the long sides and on a sub lvl on the ends.  Thoughts/suggestions/advice WELCOME and appreciated.  :cheers:

UPDATE:Just thought I would post an update here, this wasn't really a "log" per se but in the interest of not posting another thread I am gonna post updates here.  So the easyfelt tub fruited a full week before all the other ones.  I tried one piece overnight and it started pining as it allowed the tub to get way too dry.  So I added one more piece, still too dry, and one more piece, gluing them on, and it was JUST about right, SO I got a can of rubber cement, and painted around the edge to further seal the easy felt cap as it has become even tho I already used the silicone glue to do the same, and then I pained about a 3/4 inch ring around the edge of the discs and it is just about perfect. 

I have not needed to mist the whole fruiting run and it has been MUCH easier it seems.  I have another run of 5 tubs coming and I am going to do 2 of them the same way, 3 discs on the bottom and a smidge of polyfil in the top holes, one with one maybe 2 layers of poly on the top.  Also, I am going to try 1 1/2" holes vs the 2" holes I have been using, see if I remove the need for the rubber cement, tho rubber cement is dirt cheap, goes a long way, and the step took all of 5 min to complete, so its not a huge deal either way.  In my opinion if I can get this working right it will be a great process improvement simply as it is "glue 3 3" rings of felt to bottom holes and 1 on the top" vs "stuff poly fill in the holes just right and monitor to make sure it is done properly".  It is probably just my noob opinion but it really just seems easier to do this than try and get poly right.  I have 3 tubs that require near constant attention where the felt tub is rolling right along. 

*pics coming later today*


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Re: Easy Felt mono tubs [Re: MastaBlastar]
    #18416895 - 06/14/13 12:35 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I am a strong advocate of EZ felt as a filter on jar lids. I always recommend people to use it because it works great and is inexpensive.

However, for monotubs, EZ felt sucks. With polyfill you can 'dial in' the humidity that stays in your tub WAY easier, simply by stuffing more in or taking more out. That way you get to choose the thickness of your filter, so if your RH is dropping lower than what you want, just stuff some more polyfil into the hole. With EZ felt, you have 1 thickness, so you really have no control.

Polyfill is also VERY inexpensive and EXTREMELY easy to use.


In short, use EZ felt for GE filters on your jar lids and use polyfill for your monotub holes.


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Re: Easy Felt mono tubs [Re: ganjfather]
    #18417087 - 06/14/13 01:26 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Thought about this myself before when looking at the hundred or so little ez felt filters i have laying around....  But I have no monos, so no chance to try it.

It might work great for the top holes which are supposed to be looser anyway...  (maybe start off with a filter on each side, then if needed you can rip one side off?)

Heck you might even eventually get it perfectly dialed in with mtiple  layers rtv'ed to gather on the bottom for a permanent solutions..

But then again :shrug:

I think you might get a lot of negative responses to this thread, but I for one hope you find the opportunity to try it out...  If it works you could save hundreds of growers the tedious task of making puff balls every time they set up a mono. 

And would be able to set up a much better tek for noobs than having to say we'll... you got to use a hand full about this big of poly fill vs you saying... use this many layers of ez felt.  (At least I would assume that it's hard to dial in with poly as everyone will take tight/loose/hand full to mean different things, whereas a certain number of layers would be a constant)

Either way I hope you try it out, and :congrats: if you do.

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Re: Easy Felt mono tubs [Re: BloodKil]
    #18417093 - 06/14/13 01:28 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

i just use what has worked best for me.  and in my opinion there is no way i can improve my flushes and overall happiness of fruits by not using my poly fil from franks tek

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Re: Easy Felt mono tubs [Re: BloodKil]
    #18417131 - 06/14/13 01:38 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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BloodKil said:
Thought about this myself before when looking at the hundred or so little ez felt filters i have laying around....  But I have no monos, so no chance to try it.

It might work great for the top holes which are supposed to be looser anyway...  (maybe start off with a filter on each side, then if needed you can rip one side off?)

Heck you might even eventually get it perfectly dialed in with mtiple  layers rtv'ed to gather on the bottom for a permanent solutions..

But then again :shrug:

I think you might get a lot of negative responses to this thread, but I for one hope you find the opportunity to try it out...  If it works you could save hundreds of growers the tedious task of making puff balls every time they set up a mono. 

And would be able to set up a much better tek for noobs than having to say we'll... you got to use a hand full about this big of poly fill vs you saying... use this many layers of ez felt.  (At least I would assume that it's hard to dial in with poly as everyone will take tight/loose/hand full to mean different things, whereas a certain number of layers would be a constant)

Either way I hope you try it out, and :congrats: if you do.


  Yes I think you are right, I tried to avoid as much as I could by saying I know its hard to dial in and am just looking for experiences with it and people's opinions who have used it.


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Re: Easy Felt mono tubs [Re: MastaBlastar]
    #18417319 - 06/14/13 02:25 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Idk man polyfil is pretty darn easy to use. It's also cheap and readily available.

Just follow frank's tek it's pretty straight forward.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777#17332777

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Re: Easy Felt mono tubs [Re: Novanity1]
    #18417338 - 06/14/13 02:33 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I have used ez felt on the bottom holes and loss poly fill on the tops holes and liked the results.

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Re: Easy Felt mono tubs [Re: thelanzii]
    #18421342 - 06/14/13 11:17 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I was going to try at least one.  Going with felt on the bottom holes and loose poly on the top, see how that works.  If needed double up the felt or triple or whatever is needed.  If one layer of ezfelt =loose poly that would be too easy.


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Re: Easy Felt mono tubs [Re: MastaBlastar]
    #18422733 - 06/15/13 10:28 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Slightly off/on topic, but does anyone run micro-pore tape tubs/buckets?


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Re: Easy Felt mono tubs [Re: 10KOysters]
    #18422741 - 06/15/13 10:32 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

If micropore/EZ Felt tape provided good FAE, we would not use it for GE filters on jars.

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Re: Easy Felt mono tubs [Re: PussyFart]
    #18422840 - 06/15/13 11:05 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I don't remember seeing any jars made with 1-2" holes in the lids either. :smile:

It does breathe, otherwise you wouldn't need to use 2 layers to keep 'all' contams out.


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Re: Easy Felt mono tubs [Re: 10KOysters]
    #18422857 - 06/15/13 11:11 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I have never heard of anyone "needing" more than one layer of tape, unless the first one was inoculated thru.

I have heard that applying more than one layer of tape will actually hinder GE tho.

And even if it's spread over a 2" area....I still doubt it will provide sufficient FAE for a tub....this has been tried before.

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Re: Easy Felt mono tubs [Re: PussyFart]
    #18423210 - 06/15/13 01:11 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Depends on your tape, I guess.

I've had contams show directly beneath the ge hole on jars before. One layer of off-brand micro-pore tape.  A layer of tyvek prevents that for now. Planning on switching to sfd's very soon.

Two layers of micro-pore tape are required for 'sterile' ge.  Yes, it does restrict ge when using 2 layers.

Anyone have links to failed tape tub/bucket threads?  Would love to see them.


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Re: Easy Felt mono tubs [Re: 10KOysters]
    #18424399 - 06/15/13 06:08 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Ok, that is a good point about GE vs FAE, two completely different things.  BUT, I am going to try it on one because now I must know.  Going with felt on the bottome loose poly on top.  I am going to trust in NOTAHACKER, he has give all good advice thus far.


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Re: Easy Felt mono tubs [Re: MastaBlastar]
    #18424420 - 06/15/13 06:17 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Ok, that is a good point about GE vs FAE, two completely different things.  BUT, I am going to try it on one because now I must know.  Going with felt on the bottome loose poly on top. 



Why not tape on the top holes too?

That is where the tub gets it's FAE from to begin with.

The air is then forced out thru the tighter stuffed holes in the bottom.(in a normal tub)

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Re: Easy Felt mono tubs [Re: PussyFart]
    #18425705 - 06/15/13 11:54 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

You think?  I figured osmosis occurred for the FAE and the tight poly on bottom was to keep up the RH while still allowing air to freely pass (more freely than duct tape).  Hmmmm....I am not going to use micropore tape, I just think that's a bad idea...where is polyfil in relation to ez felt in relation to how much air will pass through you think?  Would one 2" hole covered with felt be comparable to loose poly, or tight poly?  I guess I will find out soon enough but would be nice to have some people who have experimented with it to share their experience with it, rather than people just say it will or wont work.  The topic is looking for people with experience using felt on tubs, what those experiences were, and any suggestions you would have for someone looking into experimenting with it.


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Re: Easy Felt mono tubs [Re: MastaBlastar]
    #18425769 - 06/16/13 12:09 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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You think?  I figured osmosis occurred for the FAE and the tight poly on bottom was to keep up the RH while still allowing air to freely pass (more freely than duct tape).



Humidity rises...

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MastaBlastar said:
Would one 2" hole covered with felt be comparable to loose poly, or tight poly?



Extremely tightly stuffed polyfill.

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Re: Easy Felt mono tubs [Re: PussyFart]
    #18425908 - 06/16/13 12:56 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I have to disagree hacker...

Ez felt is almost see through (in fact it is see through in some places... 

I would generally think it's more closely associated with loose poly, and you might even have to double layer it to get to that point...

I obviously have no scientific equipment to test this with, but a good way to get a general ideas of how restrictive something can be is to blow something through it.

I loosely rolled and  stuffed some poly into a tp roll, and super glued the perimeter. (As it was falling out by tipping it)  I then did the same with another tp roll and some ez felt.  A can of air (with the red straw thing) was then put to use to get an a general idea.

Now as I said I have no scientific instruments to measure anything exactly like this, but the ez felt definitely felt like more air was passing through it.  (Unfortunately though I now have two tp rolls 5hat wont fit on the reel)

(Disclaimer...  This is the kind of boredom that being sober leads to...  next fathers day ill just deal with the hangover while grilling.)

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Re: Easy Felt mono tubs [Re: BloodKil]
    #18425915 - 06/16/13 12:57 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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I have to disagree hacker...

Ez felt is almost see through (in fact it is see through in some places... 



If you can see thru it, then how do people have success using it as a filter on jars?

That makes no sense to me....but I have not used the stuff, so :shrug:

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Re: Easy Felt mono tubs [Re: PussyFart]
    #18425934 - 06/16/13 01:04 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Probably just meant that some amount of light passes through it?

I can see quite a bit of light that passes through my SFDs.


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