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MidgetPawn
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Vichy thermal spa water for spraying?
#18411683 - 06/12/13 11:56 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have *these "cosmetic" cans of rare mineral water(it's basically just overpriced spray water in a can for rich people to spray their face with) They spray in a nice mist, which I'd read is better than the heavier spray from hand pumped spray bottles. Just wondering if anyone has an opinion about using this product for rehydrating or any spraying needs.
I'm still a while from needing to worry about this, but still curious. Anyone happen to know if these minerals could potentially hurt or help in cultivating cubensis?
100% Pure Vichy Thermal water, preservative and fragrance free. Mineral content (mg/1): Bicarbonates: 4776.3 Chloride: 357.0 Potassium: 99.6 Fluorine: 8.8 Sodium: 1860.0 Calcium: 150.6 Magnesium: 12.3 Iron: 1.0 Neutral pH
Unless it's extremely beneficial it cant be worth almost 3$ per FL OZ. you have to be a real sucker to actual pay that much for spray water in a can imo. It is really nice on hot days though.
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Re: Vichy thermal spa water for spraying? [Re: MidgetPawn]
#18411878 - 06/13/13 01:08 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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all the water has to do is provide moisture, there not plants so they don't drink there food they eat it Mushrooms contain no chlorophyll and most are considered saprophytes. That is, they obtain their nutrition from metabolizing non living organic matter. This means they break down and "eat" dead plants, like your compost pile does.
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Re: Vichy thermal spa water for spraying? [Re: cronicr]
#18412486 - 06/13/13 07:45 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't know, I wouldn't use it.
You can get a hand pump sprayer at home depo that sprays a fine mist for under 10 dollars.
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Re: Vichy thermal spa water for spraying? [Re: rustycobwebs]
#18412490 - 06/13/13 07:51 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I go to my local barber shop... $3 for a ultra-fine mist spray bottle.
Edited by WolfieNuke (06/13/13 08:03 AM)
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Re: Vichy thermal spa water for spraying? [Re: WolfieNuke]
#18412505 - 06/13/13 07:58 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just use regular tap water
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Re: Vichy thermal spa water for spraying? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18412670 - 06/13/13 09:09 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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$1.99 at walgreens. In the cleaning section they sell spray bottles that provide a great mist. I've had a few of the bottles malfunction after a few months, but they're $1.99...
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MidgetPawn
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Re: Vichy thermal spa water for spraying? [Re: cronicr]
#18415241 - 06/13/13 06:25 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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cronicr said: all the water has to do is provide moisture, there not plants so they don't drink there food they eat it Mushrooms contain no chlorophyll and most are considered saprophytes. That is, they obtain their nutrition from metabolizing non living organic matter. This means they break down and "eat" dead plants, like your compost pile does.
Wait.. why exactly is over or under spraying bad then? because of the effect too much or not enough water has on the mushrooms food?
I think I'll use it since the mist is so fine it just disperses in different directions. Only the worlds best natural spring water mist for my mushrooms food. At least I'll experiment with it.
Non mushroom stuffz It is literally just water from a place called Vichy btw. It only has more natural minerals than normal spring water. Vichy = L'Oreal. They just made up a brand name to look like a completely different company. Almost all the top brand name products are made by L'Oreal now(in USA/France at least). Often they'll make it seem like certain products are competing but will be the same exact formula made in the same exact factory, they just repackage it and sell it for more, or less. If something isn't selling under one name, they pull it, do market research, re-package it, and sell it again as if it's different or brand new despite not changing a single part of the formula. Ahh greed.
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Re: Vichy thermal spa water for spraying? [Re: MidgetPawn]
#18415246 - 06/13/13 06:26 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cronic is right, the mycelium eats solid organic matter, not liquid nutrients.
Spring water is good and well.
As long as there are not a whole lot of additives in this water of yours it will work fine.
Just don't think you are "feeding" them, all the food they need can consume is in the substrate. They just need you to keep them moist
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Re: Vichy thermal spa water for spraying? [Re: MidgetPawn]
#18415256 - 06/13/13 06:28 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh btw what led me to ask about this stuff was seeing people say that Hand pumps are better than spray bottles because of the mist vs spray or whatever. If anyone can expand on that feel free, because I can't, I'm still trying to figure out if I should even case my *BRF cakes when the time comes.
Thanks for the input.
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Edited by MidgetPawn (06/13/13 06:31 PM)
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Re: Vichy thermal spa water for spraying? [Re: MidgetPawn]
#18415261 - 06/13/13 06:29 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you over mist, it won't evaporate off of the substrate (a main pinning trigger). If you under mist, you may have humidity problems, dried out cakes, and potentially not enough evaporation.
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Re: Vichy thermal spa water for spraying? [Re: Trippy_Penguin]
#18415268 - 06/13/13 06:30 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hand pumps? 
You just need a device that produces some kind of fine mist. Anything more is way overthinking it.
I've used everything from a 50 cent POS to a $5 hydro store spray bottle.
They all work exactly the same.
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petersodm said: If you over mist, it won't evaporate off of the substrate (a main pinning trigger). If you under mist, you may have humidity problems, dried out cakes, and potentially not enough evaporation.
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Re: Vichy thermal spa water for spraying? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18415316 - 06/13/13 06:37 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well yea I'm not suggesting that people go out and buy this stuff. I just happen to have a few cans and was hoping if there was a problem someone would be like "too much iron in that" or something along those lines.
I'm pretty sure there was advice to not use spray bottles and to use finer mists though. Half the stuff I read on here gets me overthinking or shatters my understanding of something that once seemed simple.
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Re: Vichy thermal spa water for spraying? [Re: MidgetPawn]
#18415326 - 06/13/13 06:39 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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My advice is to acquire a cheap spray bottle and save the cans for a warm summer day and walk around in a public place using it to mist yourself. You will then appear to be one of those rich people who mist themselves with canned water.
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Re: Vichy thermal spa water for spraying? [Re: MidgetPawn]
#18415330 - 06/13/13 06:40 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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MidgetPawn said: I'm pretty sure there was advice to not use spray bottles and to use finer mists though. Half the stuff I read on here gets me overthinking or shatters my understanding of something that once seemed simple.
That's cause it's really easy to overthink 
I promise that mist is mist. As long as it is fine enough to not leave big drops on your cakes/subs, all is well.
And spring water of any sort is fine. Just make sure it has no additives and isn't "fortified" with anything, though I'm sure it would probably still be ok to use.
The big mistake people make early on is spraying their cakes with fertilizer / nutrient solutions. It sounds like you know better already
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Re: Vichy thermal spa water for spraying? [Re: MidgetPawn]
#18415400 - 06/13/13 06:52 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I get the impression that a lot of the people who know what to do and are confident in their method of cultivating, don't entirely understand how the clusterfuck of information/misinformation regarding optimal mushroom cultivation can lead to severe confusion for someone just taking up he hobby.
I must have read each of the main guides at least 3 ties, watched roadkills entire video 2ce, some parts more, and read about 1000 threads. I've been trying to either find or work out my own up to date "grow parameters" that doesn't suggest cultivating in pitch dark for a few days now. Just knowing it says keep jars in pitch dark makes me wonder if any of it is accurate.
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Re: Vichy thermal spa water for spraying? [Re: MidgetPawn]
#18415409 - 06/13/13 06:53 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I appreciate any responses I get though. It's a lot less frustrating when the fault lies on me not asking the right questions.
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Re: Vichy thermal spa water for spraying? [Re: MidgetPawn]
#18415549 - 06/13/13 07:22 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think you've hit the nail on the head... When something sounds unusual to you, you shouldn't just overlook it. Mushrooms shouldn't be in complete darkness, and when colonizing they don't NEED light but obviously nature usually knows best... 12 hour on/off cycle ambient light when colonizing, 12 hour on/off cycle with ~6500k fluorescent or similar lighting (not incandescent since they produce too much heat).
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