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First Grow Questions!
    #18410910 - 06/12/13 09:18 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Hey whatsup guys,

So I am a first time grower after close to a year of trying to find a connection for some mushies I have decided to grow on my own. I am usually pretty good at getting things right the first time, but this seems like a very delicate procedure, so I thought I would ask for some advice. I just began the incubation process yesterday, so I am not too far along. I got most of my info from a video on youtube, also I im-provved a bit by using a Casserole Dish. I inoculated with a 10cc Burma strain I got online.

So I started out with a glass Casserole dish. I filled it to about 1" from the top with a mixture of brown rice flour I got from Whole Foods, "Professional Grade" Vermiculite, and purified water (I made sure the consistency was not too wet, or too dry. Just right from the info I have received). I then filled the last 1" with vermiculite. I covered the whole dish top with 2 layers of tin foil, and poked 12 holes evenly spaced throughout the tin foil cover ranging from the size of raisin, to the size of a dime. I then covered each hole thoroughly with Leukotape, and put a second cover of doubled up tinfoil over the first layer which I Leukotaped the full circumference of the Casserole Dish with. Air Tight / Water Tight. Finally I baked the whole dish in the oven at 240 for around an hour and a half.

For the Inoculation I removed the second set / layer of tinfoil. Then I put on my surgical gloves, with asepsis procedure. I removed the 12 pieces of tape covering the holes, with surgical gloves on. I then took the syringe, wiped it down with an alcohol pad, and injected an even amount of the 10cc syringe into each hole. When Injecting I would take the syringe to the bottom of the dish then lift off around 1". After Inoculation I placed the dish in my closet which is pretty much pitch black.

Today I went out and bought a huge lizard heating mat, and after some research placed it onto of a couple big brown paper bags leaning on the casserole dish.

My few concerns are 1) during inoculation I blew something off of the bottom of the needle before injecting will this have any chance of causing microbes to grow? 2) was 240 degrees hot enough to sterilize the substrate / keep the Mycelium safe?(after I inoculated :P) 3) during inoculation I rubbed the needle on the tin foil on the way in any chance of infection growing from that?. 4) is the Lizard heating mat necessary / can it be used to help the mycelium growth. I live in a flat where it stays between 70-75 pretty much 24/7 at about 50-60% Humidity. 5) During the incubation stage does the Mycelium need Fresh Air? I'm thinking my closet does not have the best air flow :smile:

for fruiting process from what I understand you need a Rubbermaid container filled with about 3" of soaked / strained perlite. You then drill holes in the bottom of the container around 2" apart, as well as some holes on the sides to keep FAE. Also I read that you should cut out a window pain on the lid of the container and replace it with saran wrap. From there I have read you need to put the box in a spot where it gets a little bit of sunlight, and you need to keep the box at a high humidity at around 80 degrees F. From what I understand in order to do this you need to mist the walls of the box 2-3 times a day and possibly keep the heating pad underneath the fruiting chamber. I have a thermometer and humidity gauge for the fruiting chamber so I can keep an eye on it.

Also any suggestions on my set up, and next stages of the cycle? I know there a lot more things I could be doing, and possibly shouldn't be doing, or could be doing better. I know its a very large grow for a first timer, but I have had a good feeling from the start of this project, and feel it will flourish if I do it right. Also today I read of a possible second grow? Is it possible to harvest your cake, then submerge it in water and grow another batch?

Thank you very much for taking the time to read all of this. I appreciate it, and am very eager for any advice someone has for me!


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Re: First Grow Questions! [Re: Gyaradoz]
    #18410965 - 06/12/13 09:32 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Oh my.

I hate to be a Debbie Downer, but...

That won't work for your sterilization.  It will be contam city.

Did you really just say something was on the tip of your needle so you blew on it?  Seriously?  Like your breath alone has gazillions of contaminants.  And I don't mean that personally.

Have you considered following a tek?

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Re: First Grow Questions! [Re: Queen of Kings]
    #18410976 - 06/12/13 09:34 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

:owned:


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Re: First Grow Questions! [Re: cronicr]
    #18410992 - 06/12/13 09:38 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I blew on not the tip but the other end of the needle. Even with all said, I still have faith in the project. Is 240 hot enough to decontam? I didn't want to fuck up the substrate by going too hot.


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Re: First Grow Questions! [Re: Gyaradoz]
    #18410997 - 06/12/13 09:39 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

throw away everything you have done. get a new syringe full of spores.

go ahead and do it this way for success

http://www.mushroomvideos.com/BRF-Pf-Tek

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Re: First Grow Questions! [Re: Queen of Kings]
    #18411014 - 06/12/13 09:42 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Have you read the links on this page?  It's the Getting Started board.

For someone who hasn't grown, it's the ideal place to start. 

While experimenting can be fun, for new growers it is rarely successful.

You do not need a heat mat, ever. 

You would have been liking life more if you had started with cakes in half pint jars.  Then you could have sterilized them by steaming them in a pot.  (A way to get away with no pressure cooker.)

With no still air box for your inoculation, plus blowing on your needle and apparently NOT flaming it, I am not holding out a lot of hope.

Don't be surprised to see (a) growth followed by (b) mold.

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Re: First Grow Questions! [Re: stranger_danger]
    #18411017 - 06/12/13 09:42 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

...... 240 for the substrate?... i am really not trying to be rude, but have you done any research at all?

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Re: First Grow Questions! [Re: stranger_danger]
    #18411031 - 06/12/13 09:45 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

an oven isn't gona get you to 240 bud, 210 at best and it's an ugly dry heat


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Re: First Grow Questions! [Re: stranger_danger]
    #18411045 - 06/12/13 09:48 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

not going to throw it away at the very least I will learn something it. I will look into other techniques though, and getting another batch of spores. Actually yes I have from what I researched a pressure cooker is the way to go, so I attempted to mimic the temps of a pressure cooker. And fyi I cleaned over the place I blew on with an alcohol pad pretty thoroughly.


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Re: First Grow Questions! [Re: Gyaradoz]
    #18411053 - 06/12/13 09:50 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

blowing on it seemed a lot better than touching the needle.. But now that I think of it I had surgical gloves on so..


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Re: First Grow Questions! [Re: Gyaradoz]
    #18411172 - 06/12/13 10:12 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Gyaradoz, what's the reason for not following a proven tek, for example, the PF tek?  It's pretty foolproof but each step in it has a reason behind it, so shortcuts or "innovations" will usually fail.

You don't need a pressure cooker to do it. 

People fruit beautiful cakes all the time without a pressure cooker, and so can you!!

For your next time, will you give it a try? 

Once you have a good grow under your belt you can take some prints, work on your agar skills, clone your nicest shrooms, and so on. 

But getting that first set of prints -- it's almost always best to follow a tek.

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Re: First Grow Questions! [Re: Queen of Kings]
    #18411215 - 06/12/13 10:23 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Well I am technically following a tek.. if I understand the term fully. I followed the youtube video that I watched.. not sure of the link but I took a detailed noting of the whole thing. I will for sure look into and most likely follow a tek from this site next time, but I did not discover this website until after I started my first attempt. I followed the steps according to that video so I am going to give it a shot. I really appreciate those links I have them on my favorites and I defenetly will be doing tons of research now that I found this site.


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Re: First Grow Questions! [Re: Gyaradoz]
    #18411318 - 06/12/13 10:43 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Gyaradoz, don't give up if/when your first attempt fails.  Many people have come from other places where they read some strange method or another that didn't work.  Then they come here, read and read till they're nearly overwhelmed, then follow a technique like the PF tek step by step and enjoy tremendous success.  I expect you will too!  So don't be discouraged.  We all start somewhere!  I remember trying my first grow in COFFEE GROUNDS!!  Not sterilized!  Green all over in short order!  :smile:  That said, I hope you get lucky and get some fruits.  Post your progress and don't worry if it's not stellar.  Mistakes are only stepping stones on the mycology path!  :smile:

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Re: First Grow Questions! [Re: Queen of Kings]
    #18411455 - 06/12/13 11:08 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

start out with pf tek dude:thumbup: then move to bulk like most new growers do lol

that being said I am interested to hear the outcome of this project :smile:


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Re: First Grow Questions! [Re: kinkaku]
    #18411655 - 06/12/13 11:49 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Queen of Kings you are awesome I appreciate it! good to hear at least someone has a little faith in this project kink :P haha yea, I guess I kind of went go big or go home, but I did do my research.. atleast until I found this place xD. Next time for sure I will try a tek.. unless this one works! :P.the 2 main thing i'm concered with after this talk now is if 240 was too hot for the substrate for whatever reason. and if a contam did/does occur.. I will be posting pictures that's for sure! :grin:


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Re: First Grow Questions! [Re: Gyaradoz]
    #18411964 - 06/13/13 01:53 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I started with PF tek, and I completely blew it by cranking the heat up way, way too high on the PC. nothing ever ended up growing. but then I tried again and sterilized at a good temp and it has been smooth sailing ever since then. I am in the fruiting process right now and it is going beautifully so far. as a fellow noob I really recommend giving the standard PF tek a shot and you will learn a ton with very little investment/effort. then spread out to experimentation from there!


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Re: First Grow Questions! [Re: krunkmaster]
    #18412965 - 06/13/13 10:41 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

thanks for the reccomendation! I will defenetly look into this PF Tek. what is a good temp for a PC? and do you PC with the substrate in the jar / water tight?


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Re: First Grow Questions! [Re: Gyaradoz]
    #18413008 - 06/13/13 10:51 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I initially set the range's burner to high and just left the PC on for an hour, because I never used a PC before and didn't know what the hell I was doing. the second time, I set it to high at first until the rocker on top of the PC started rattling, and then immediately reduced the heat to medium and left it for an hour. maybe someone else can comment on whether it should ideally be slightly higher or lower than that.

and yeah, it's all covered in the steps for the tek, but you do load the brown rice flour/vermiculite into the jar before. the purpose is just to kill absolutely anything that might already be in there before you introduce the spores. I personally did not screw the lids on as tightly as possible, but it was pretty close. you use a layer of tin foil to help make sure the water doesn't rise up and enter the jar.


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Re: First Grow Questions! [Re: krunkmaster]
    #18413195 - 06/13/13 11:47 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

you keep saying 240 for the substrate, do you actually mean substrate (meaning bulk substrate or what you will fill a mono tub with to spawn your grain/cake into)
or do you mean grain/flour that you are making your jars/cakes with?

if it is your jars/cakes then you need to either PC your grain jars at 15 psi for 90+ minutes or steam your rice/verm jars in a pot with a lid/pc them if you can.

if you are genuinely talking about your substrate then you need to maintain about 160 in water or steam for about 90-120 minutes. this is called pasteurizing and if you go above 170 you get into sterilizing, which is a bad thing.

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Re: First Grow Questions! [Re: stranger_danger]
    #18414532 - 06/13/13 04:24 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

thanks for the info krunk! in my case I think the layer of tinfoil / water tight tape helped keep the water in xD.
By substrate I meen the brown rice flour and vermiculite mixture as the video I watched called it. I know on a lot of foods you cook they all state specifically internal temp must reach 160 so that wouldve been a good temp to clean it up but I wanted to be sure. idk if they burn fields in order to make grass grow, and mushrooms grow out of cow pies, neither of which I would want in my grow, and if I had known better I defenetly wouldve changed a few things. I understand it may not be ideal temp but I can still see my batch flourishing, but idk this is my first time.
the video I got my info from btw is called "How to Grow Magic Mushrooms" by Choklitmlk123 on youtube.


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