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Should i bulk my spawn?
    #18404093 - 06/11/13 04:41 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Hey guys, i have inoculated these bags 7 days ago and already mixed it to speed up the process. The first two bags colonized really well and wanted to know if i should move it to the elementary coir tek. The other two bags took longer because i mixed them two days ago.

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Re: Should i bulk my spawn? [Re: shroomingnoob]
    #18404208 - 06/11/13 05:05 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

If your going to do a reduced batch (using a smaller amount of coir/verm to keep an acceptable ratio) with just the fully colonized bags, then by all means yes you can...  However do not attempt a full sized batch by mixing your fully and partially colonized bags together...

If you should or not all depends on what you are planning on end result of course.  If you looking for a full sized mono tub, then you should wait for the others.

(Edit for clarification)

Edited by BloodKil (06/11/13 05:06 PM)

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Re: Should i bulk my spawn? [Re: BloodKil]
    #18404250 - 06/11/13 05:12 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you for your input, but i have researched and got advice from MidWestGrow that i can use
-2 Rye Spawn Bags
-2 Quarts of Vermiculite
-Coir Brick
-5 Gallon bucket with a lid
-4.5 Quarts of Water
I plan on using the two fully colonized rye spawn bags shown above, and mixing with with the Bulk Substrate. But i am a beginner and therefore open to constructive criticism and advice.

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Re: Should i bulk my spawn? [Re: shroomingnoob]
    #18404288 - 06/11/13 05:19 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Thank you for your input, but i have researched and got advice from MidWestGrow that i can use
-2 Rye Spawn Bags
-2 Quarts of Vermiculite
-Coir Brick
-5 Gallon bucket with a lid
-4.5 Quarts of Water
I plan on using the two fully colonized rye spawn bags shown above, and mixing with with the Bulk Substrate. But i am a beginner and therefore open to constructive criticism and advice.




Why 2 bags? How much grain do you have in there? Most bags are about a gallon, which would be just slightly less than the ratio I use.


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Re: Should i bulk my spawn? [Re: shroomingnoob]
    #18404292 - 06/11/13 05:20 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Are those bags equivalent to a quart jar?

You should use at least 5 qts of spawn for the elementary coir tek, however I would recommend 7-8.


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Re: Should i bulk my spawn? [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #18404347 - 06/11/13 05:30 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

They are 3lb bags each. Well.. that's what midwestgrow suggested

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Re: Should i bulk my spawn? [Re: shroomingnoob]
    #18404355 - 06/11/13 05:32 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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They are 3lb bags each. Well.. that's what midwestgrow suggested




I hate when vendors do this. We don't use weights, we use volumes. Do you know how many quarts of grain are in each one?


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i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.

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Re: Should i bulk my spawn? [Re: ganjfather]
    #18404358 - 06/11/13 05:32 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Well you said 10lb of spawn and i have 6 so far. i think if i reduce the amount of coir and vermiculite i should be fine, right?

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    #18404367 - 06/11/13 05:34 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Not really.. i know forsure they came in 3 pounds of grain. If i measured it in quarts it would be around 6 quarts.

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Re: Should i bulk my spawn? [Re: shroomingnoob]
    #18404372 - 06/11/13 05:34 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Idk then, we go by capacity measurements, not mass.

If I had to guess, I'd say you could do 2 of those bags with a 30qt tub and half the elementary coir tek :shrug: just a guess though.


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Re: Should i bulk my spawn? [Re: ganjfather]
    #18404377 - 06/11/13 05:35 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds good. I will do around 3/5 of the coir brick with around 1.5 quarts of vermiculite. sounds good?

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Re: Should i bulk my spawn? [Re: ganjfather]
    #18404381 - 06/11/13 05:36 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

They look like quart size (amount of spawn in bag) unless you have some humongous fucking hands...


I wouldn't use 2 quarts to a full brick in any circumstances...  follow the amounts in either damion5050 or FrankHorrigan coir teks (reduce coir/vermiculite amounts as needed to keep at least a close ratio to what they use... simple math)  whichever tek you use however I will greatly suggest doing a proper in jar pasturization as outlined in FrankHorrigan's proper pasturization tek.  (You can find both his coir and pasturization teks in his "how I get shit done" link that is in his signature. )

Edit... idk after weighing a jar (and negating the weight of an empty) my grain in a quart jar does weigh right around 1lb...  still this is kinda a shit way to do this but :shrug:

With the assumption that each is 3 quarts I suppose your ok to do a full run with 2 bags...  do you have something you can at least measure your spawn with right before you add to substrate, so you don't fuck yourself over with long wait times/reduced flush/etc, just in case?

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Re: Should i bulk my spawn? [Re: shroomingnoob]
    #18404391 - 06/11/13 05:38 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Not really.. i know forsure they came in 3 pounds of grain. If i measured it in quarts it would be around 6 quarts.





If 1 bag is 6 qts, which I don't think it is, then you could use 1 bag for the elementary coir tek.

the lowest spawn/sub ratio you can get away with, while I completely DO NOT recommend is 1:4

An optimal ratio would be 1:1 for higher yields and faster colonization speeds as well as less chance of contamination.


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Re: Should i bulk my spawn? [Re: BloodKil]
    #18404398 - 06/11/13 05:39 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you

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Re: Should i bulk my spawn? [Re: ganjfather]
    #18404401 - 06/11/13 05:39 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I meant 2 bags are 6 quarts. And i will try to do it 1:1

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Re: Should i bulk my spawn? [Re: ganjfather]
    #18404403 - 06/11/13 05:40 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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the lowest spawn/sub ratio you can get away with, while I completely DO NOT recommend is 1:4




This just isn't even true. The standard used to be 10:1.

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An optimal ratio would be 1:1 for higher yields and faster colonization speeds as well as less chance of contamination.




Yield wouldn't go up from using more grain.


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i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.

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Re: Should i bulk my spawn? [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #18404421 - 06/11/13 05:42 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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the lowest spawn/sub ratio you can get away with, while I completely DO NOT recommend is 1:4




This just isn't even true. The standard used to be 10:1.

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An optimal ratio would be 1:1 for higher yields and faster colonization speeds as well as less chance of contamination.




Yield wouldn't go up from using more grain.





Standard back when the community was new. I would not recommend a 1:4 ratio simply because of the chances of contams, and yes, it will increase yield.

more spawn = more flushes = more yield. This is simple knowledge.


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Re: Should i bulk my spawn? [Re: ganjfather]
    #18404459 - 06/11/13 05:49 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Well since its my first time, it's fine whatever the outcome is since i am a beginner and this is all experience

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Re: Should i bulk my spawn? [Re: shroomingnoob]
    #18404476 - 06/11/13 05:53 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Well since its my first time, it's fine whatever the outcome is since i am a beginner and this is all experience





Ok, well if you change your mind and decide you want a better chance of coming up with some mushies, use a good ratio such as 1:2 spawn:sub or 1:1.

Like I said, more drastic ratios like 1:4 are more prone to contamination due to how long it takes the spawn to colonize that much sub. They CAN work, but you will have a better chance and better results using a better ratio.


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Re: Should i bulk my spawn? [Re: ganjfather]
    #18404505 - 06/11/13 05:59 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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more spawn = more flushes = more yield. This is simple knowledge.




Got a source? Cause IME, more spawn just speeds things up. Yields aren't affected. The contam rate is lower because your sub is colonized quicker, but if your spawn is clean and your sub is pasteurized, it won't be a problem.


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A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.

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i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.

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