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    #18399559 - 06/10/13 09:09 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Hey all!

I am new to the community and I have been just lurking around the past few days reading forums trying to establish a somewhat firm understanding of all this information. I have bookmarked the PF TEK and I have also watched RR's PF TEK video, along with various other youtube videos.

All of this interested started when I was going to purchase a grow kit. Turns out the kit wont ship to the USA. Then I remembered back in highschool a close friend of mine ordered one from the homestead book company, so I was like hey I will get it from there.. however the way I see it is - I am going to invest $130 on a grow kit, I want to get the best yield possible, and I also want to know how and why these things work.

I started reading all these threads that I figured could pertain to my questions but I am still a little unsure on a few things..

My close friend and I are going to start a grow in a few weeks, we are already pricing our equipment and supplies, but I am a little confused on a few things.

First of all-
I want to make an incubation chamber, but I am not sure what method would be the best. We are going to do something somewhat small scale, so I had looked at the TiT method, and I read many different opinions on that one, and I have seen refrigerators turned into incubation chambers. The fridge method, seems a little out of our league right now, since we dont have an extra fridge laying around.
-- so my question is, for a small/ medium scale incubation operation, what would be the best method? and maybe link me to a tek on how to build this chamber.

second of all-
Most the videos  I have watched include cakes being used to grow the fruits, and I have seen moderate yield from these compared to castings (i think thats what its called)
  would the casting method be better for a higher yield vs the cake method? or should I just use more cakes in order to get a higher amount of fruits?

and on a side note do any of you experienced growers have any advice for a rookie such as myself? besides sterility and patience lol I kinda picked up on all that already hehe =p

- I plan on teaching my partner/ close friend all the stuff I have been learning to ensure that this project turns out wonderful.

thank you all in advance. I try my hardest not to be annoying but sometimes I struggle trying to find the exact answers I am looking for because it seems there are so many options I dont want to pick the wrong thing and have this whole project fail.

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Re: Newbie with a few questions. [Re: AYSEONE]
    #18399590 - 06/10/13 09:13 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

skip the incubator room temp is fine, spawning cakes to bulk works great but we don't call them casings there just bulk subs or trays, here's some of my novelty cake grows
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18277258#18277258


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Re: Newbie with a few questions. [Re: AYSEONE]
    #18399611 - 06/10/13 09:16 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Rule #1 Don't tell anyone what you're doing, you can go to prison for up to 10 years if you get caught.

You don't need an incubation chamber.

Grow kits are overpriced.

And a monotub will probably yield the most but the pf tek is generally what people start out with and you can still get decent yields.

And my advice is to spend a lot of time on here reading and a lot of people have very helpful links in their signature.

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Re: Newbie with a few questions. [Re: cronicr]
    #18399805 - 06/10/13 09:43 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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skip the incubator room temp is fine, spawning cakes to bulk works great but we don't call them casings there just bulk subs or trays, here's some of my novelty cake grows
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18277258#18277258





The reason I am concerned about using room temp, is because its like 100+ degrees outside and will be most of the summer, so the house is kept at about 70 degrees give or take a few degrees, so to my understanding that is a little too cool for the ideal colonization temps.

am I correct?

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Re: Newbie with a few questions. [Re: AYSEONE]
    #18400138 - 06/10/13 10:29 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

No, anything approximately 70-80°F is fine.

Honestly you could get away with even cooler temps, it would just take longer to colonize.

For my first grow I used an incubator of sorts and it worked well for me but a lot of people seem to think its just an unnecessary risk because contams thrive in the higher temps.

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Re: Newbie with a few questions. [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #18401599 - 06/11/13 05:59 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

okay. Thank you for the info :smile:

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Re: Newbie with a few questions. [Re: AYSEONE]
    #18401868 - 06/11/13 08:05 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

yeah dont bother with an incubator unless your temps are really cold. when i last done cakes i was colinising in upper 60's still managed to colinise in 3 weeks.

Cakes can yeild quite a fair amount for there relitivly small size, but because your working with spores yield is going to vary between grows.



heres 2 mini monotubs. using same amount of spawn and same amount of bulk substrate in the exact same tubs. Same variety (golden teacher)

1 yeilded 190g fresh on first flush the other only 100g fressh.

Quite a difference and all down to ginetics.


If you follow rr's videos for the pf tek, you cant really go wrong, if they dont perform as well as hoped its likely down to ginetics.


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Re: Newbie with a few questions. [Re: veda_sticks]
    #18402572 - 06/11/13 11:30 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I was going to use the small wide mouth jars, I belive they are half pint if my memory serves me correctly.

so hypothetically speaking- If I inoculate a large quantity of cakes and let them colonize and the colonization goes well (fingers crossed) and I proceed to put them in the fruiting chamber (or multiple chambers) could I get a decent yield from everything? I know I have read that people say dont worry about the yield the first time you do this, but I intend to do everything in my power to do this properly and get the best results I can for a first grow.
-This may have been a silly question, but I just want to make sure that I think about this before hand. I dont want to put too many cakes in one bin to fruit, and possibly overpopulate the area and then have that prevent growth. Thats why I had said multiple fruiting chambers in order to put just a handful of cakes in each bin to avoid over crowding the grow area

I am looking into getting the golden teacher strain spores, any other suggestions on a good strain to look into?  Thanks for the input

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Re: Newbie with a few questions. [Re: AYSEONE]
    #18402579 - 06/11/13 11:31 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

gt is a great start! always get good pinsets from them:thumbup:
to get the most bang for your buck crumble your cakes to a bulk sub


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Re: Newbie with a few questions. [Re: cronicr]
    #18402687 - 06/11/13 11:54 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

alright, I had seen a few things on here about people doing that, but I wasnt sure if it was the safest thing to do.

Question: If I crumble the cakes into  bulk substrate I will not do the perlite method for the bottom of the tub correct? or will I just crumble the cakes onto the moistened perlite?

I read this after you had mention the idea, and it talks about using coir and all that stuff to make the base of the tray http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14995972/fpart/1/vc/1

just curious ya know. I am trying to start this process in about 2 weeks, so right now I want to start gathering as much information as I can fit in my brain and start buying everything I will need ahead of time.
Speaking of, I had wondered this earlier

would this kind of PC work? I cant afford one of the really fancy ones with a pressure gauge
.http://www.walmart.com/ip/Presto-6-Quart-Stainless-Pressure-Cooker/5913466#Specifications

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Re: Newbie with a few questions. [Re: AYSEONE]
    #18402711 - 06/11/13 11:59 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

thereare 23 qt's for like 80 bux at wall mart, and no you don't crumble to perlite, you would crumble to pasturized h-poo or straw or coir or something along those lines. you can then decide if you wanna try like a monotub set up or put them into trays and rock a sgfc


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Re: Newbie with a few questions. [Re: cronicr]
    #18402784 - 06/11/13 12:16 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

yeah, I figured that PC was too small I just picked the first one I saw on the site, because that is the style I was concerned with. - I wasnt sure if that would work or not, cause you cant tell what PSI you are cooking at...

and using the coir method - is that going to be much more challenging than just doing cakes?

If its out of my skill range, I will do the cake method and just try to make a large quantity of them.

*Unrelated question*
- I am looking at spores on Sporeworks, are the syringes all ready to go when you get them? or when you get the syringe kit do I actually have to scrape the spores and make them myself?

Besides the GT strain- what is another common favorite by the community?

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Re: Newbie with a few questions. [Re: AYSEONE]
    #18402834 - 06/11/13 12:27 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

the bulk subs are easy(coirmanure ect),it's just brining it to field capacity and pasturizing it(hot water bath) check out franks teks
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163#17897163


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Re: Newbie with a few questions. [Re: AYSEONE]
    #18402844 - 06/11/13 12:29 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I can answer your *unrelated question* as I recently received 3 syringes from sporeworks. They are ready to go right out of the box. All three of the ones I received worked great under the microscope! I just started out myself but if you keep reading up, follow the experienced members advice, and be careful you'll do just fine!

Edited by ATK-79 (06/17/13 03:04 PM)

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Re: Newbie with a few questions. [Re: cronicr]
    #18403096 - 06/11/13 01:19 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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the bulk subs are easy(coirmanure ect),it's just brining it to field capacity and pasturizing it(hot water bath) check out franks teks
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163#17897163





Thank you I will read up on this now :smile:
I appreciate your help sir

I try not to be one of those annoying people who just expect people to feed them answers, I actually like to read and understand these things,sometimes I just cant seem to find what I am looking for or I just ask to ensure I am on the right path and I am not setting myself up for failure.

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Re: Newbie with a few questions. [Re: ATK-79]
    #18403109 - 06/11/13 01:22 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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I can answer your *unrelated question* as I recently received 3 syringes from sporeworks. They are ready to go right out of the box. All three of the ones I received worked great and so far I have great growth! I just started out myself but if you keep reading up, follow the experienced members advice, and be careful you'll do just fine!





Thanks!! Yea I am really excited about all this I just want to make sure I am doing everything right. The more I read about this the easier it seems it will be. It is a lot of info to digest at first but I am starting to grasp these concepts a little better.

regarding your purchase, what strains did you purchase? and how much of each syringe do you use to inoculate each cake?

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Re: Newbie with a few questions. [Re: AYSEONE]
    #18403251 - 06/11/13 01:50 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Well I have one syringe each of Mexicana A, ATL #7 (both stone producers, fruiting them would be secondary for me), and a syringe of Penis Envy (uncut). And those penis envy are notoriously slow growers. Check out the stone growers too, they may be of interest to you, pretty easy too if you ask me.

As for how much I used, I went a little light in my jars of rye (not doing a pf tek) and I used approx 1-2cc each. Consensus seems to be 2-3 cc's for quarts of rye, just never more than 3cc. Being multi-spore most of my colonized jars are growing pretty quick, the others are healthy but slower, luck of the draw really. Others may be able to say how much to use in pf tek but my understanding is it's common for the 1/2 pint jars to use about 1/4 cc per hole so total of 1cc. Seems that much more than that throws off water content and affects colonization speed or contamination.

I share your excitement, I spend most of my free time (not as much as I'd like) on here searching and reading up. I'm sure you'll do fine, if you're good at following directions you can succeed at growing these fine fungi!

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Re: Newbie with a few questions. [Re: ATK-79]
    #18403279 - 06/11/13 01:59 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

what do you mean by "stone producers"
and thanks for answering my question in regards to cakes :smile: that was a concern I was starting to worry about since the video didnt specify how much to inject in each hole :smile:

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    #18403358 - 06/11/13 02:17 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

nvm that last comment. I looked it up =p

that seems a little more advanced than what I should worry about right now. I think I am going to stick with the cake method and just make about 20 cakes

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Re: Newbie with a few questions. [Re: AYSEONE]
    #18403417 - 06/11/13 02:31 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Not too complicated I think, just need patience. Not really much different than inoculation pf jars just that the rye/jar prep takes some time. After the 24 hour soak, I spent a good 4-5 hours to simmer, load and pc my rye, let it cool overnight and inoculated the next morning.

PF tek is fairly easy, and you definitely want to do what you feel comfortable with. Maybe after a run or two with the pf you'll see the stone producers aren't too hard to play with. I'm hooked and want to try them all, is that like pokemon or something?  :shrug: lol!

You have the right idea though, search and learn! Best wishes and check in often so we can see how your grow progresses.

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