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Illegals in schools.
#1839679 - 08/22/03 05:08 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is just pathetic, round them up, ship them out. States pay $7.4 billion to educate illegals By Stephen Dinan THE WASHINGTON TIMES Educating illegal immigrants in public schools costs states at least $7.4 billion annually, according to a study by the Federation for American Immigration Reform that argues American children are being hurt by the drain on resources. "Illegal immigration is no free lunch," said Dan Stein, executive director of FAIR. "It's about shifting burdens ? lowering labor costs at a tremendous cost not only to American taxpayers but to American kids." California spends an estimated $2.2 billion annually ? more than any other state ? to educate illegal immigrant children. Texas and New York rank second and third, respectively. The report's authors used the Urban Institute's estimate of 1.1 million illegal immigrant schoolchildren in the United States, then broke that down by state using the Census Bureau's estimate for illegal immigrants per state. The costs are based on per-pupil averages and don't account for extra costs of providing English as a second language classes, nor do they account for disparities of per-pupil costs in different counties in a state. Mr. Stein said the money used to pay for illegal immigrants' education should be used to meet the needs of children here legally, and the report detailed how individual states could use the money to offset current budget shortfalls. Melissa Lazarin, education policy analyst at the National Council of La Raza, an advocacy group for Hispanic-Americans, said FAIR's estimate for illegal immigrant children is "really a very small slice" of the overall cost of education, which the Department of Education figures is more than $700 billion annually. "We just don't feel this is something we should be quibbling over," she said. "We actually feel it behooves us to invest in the education of these children because we feel we have a much better return on this small investment. "These are students that grew up in this country, that consider themselves American, that speak English, that have the persistence to go on to college, that want to give back to their communities," she said. Jim Ferg-Cadima, legislative staff lawyer at the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, said the issue of immigrants' rights to education has been settled. "Regardless of what the dollar figure is, these children have a right to an education," he said. "The issue was litigated all the way to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court decided on the issue." In the 1982 decision, Plyler v. Doe, the court said the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment means that if schools offer public education to any student they must offer it to all students. The court also ruled that students have no control over their immigration status and can't be punished for their parents' decisions to move illegally. Mr. Stein said he believes the 5-4 decision was wrong, but beyond that it is being misinterpreted by many schools to justify shielding families of illegal immigrant students from detection. The solution, he said, is for the federal government to enforce immigration laws. Several states have sued the federal government to try to force it to pay for costs associated with illegal aliens, including education and incarceration. They argued that the federal government is responsible for failed border enforcement and immigration policies. In 1999, the president of the school board in Anaheim, Calif., proposed sending a bill to Mexico for illegal immigrants who attended schools in the jurisdiction. Hispanic activists and other opponents called the move political grandstanding and accused the school board president of racism. They filed dozens of lawsuits against him for violation of children's civil rights and misuse of tax dollars. The board did not pursue the policy after being told it violated international conventions. Too much!
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luvdemshrooms said: This is just pathetic, round them up, ship them out.
While it sounds harsh, I agree completely.
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: shakta]
#1840318 - 08/22/03 10:49 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Its so true, we need to get rid of these worthless immigrants. I dont know why they keep coming here, you would think someone put up a sign saying
"Bring me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses"
stupid immigrants...
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You need to pick a topic that we can argue about.
That isn't one. They need to go.
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: domite]
#1840487 - 08/22/03 11:41 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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You miss the point.
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I'd be ok with all these immigrants if they brought a little land with them, say, an acre per man woman and child so that we just slowly annexed parts of Mexico.
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1841043 - 08/22/03 02:28 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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It would probably cost more to round them up and ship them out.
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: TheHobbit]
#1841250 - 08/22/03 03:47 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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They must have gotten lost...don't they usually play canada the sucker instead? I remember one year where we had dozens of boats land full of imigrants, i think most were shipped home, but that doesn't stop the oriental women, who come here on visitor visa, have thier baby, then file for work visas, before trying to claim employment insurance...and later citizenship for themselves, then thier entire family back in the home country. It works both ways, many come here with lots of money they mysteriously find missing from fines, taxes etc..it a good business for our provincial economy...imigration that is....well for the ones with money......
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America was founded by people who immigrated to the land and it has been that way ever since. While I don't agree with using tax payer dollars to fund this, I don't know if there are any simple solutions to the problem.
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: FileSoup]
#1841528 - 08/22/03 05:14 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah, damn those people for seeking a better life. you people are sick in the mind.
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: Malachi]
#1841619 - 08/22/03 05:57 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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The key word was not "immigrant", it was, and is, "illegai".
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: Malachi]
#1841660 - 08/22/03 06:09 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Im sending this guy i know named paco to your house. He will eat sleep and live with you for the rest of your life. He will never give you anything in return and will not learn english. Have fun
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sorry, natural law is not subordinate to america.
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: d33p]
#1841876 - 08/22/03 07:27 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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shut the fuck up. if you wheren't talking out of your ass (if you actually knew any illegals) then you'd know that "paco" is 10 times the human being that the average white guy is. lazy? yeah right.
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: Malachi]
#1841889 - 08/22/03 07:32 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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I never said lazy, if you actually read my post you wouldnt sound so much like an ass. And maybe since you seem to know and are friends with every race, creed, and type of person in america maybe you should run for president as you seem to know whats best for everyone.
And i live in south florida i know plenty of illegal dominicans, cubans and hatians so stfu when you dont know what your talking about and all you do is judge
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: d33p]
#1841953 - 08/22/03 07:50 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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you got one thing right: I'm the friend of all races... except whites who are proud of their heritage.
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: Malachi]
#1841987 - 08/22/03 08:00 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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To bad they all hate you
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: d33p]
#1842011 - 08/22/03 08:10 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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uh... riiight. replace "you" with "white america".
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: Malachi]
#1842033 - 08/22/03 08:14 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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What about, say, Japanese people who are proud of their heritage?
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: wingnutx]
#1842093 - 08/22/03 08:27 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah, I lived in japan for a few months. I get along great with them. nice try though, it seems that you have at least a cursory understanding of hawaiian politics.
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: Malachi]
#1842199 - 08/22/03 08:58 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wasn't even thinking of hawaian politics, actually.
Why is it ok for a Japanese person to be proud of their heritage but not a white person?
For the record, I think racial pride is a stupid concept.
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: wingnutx]
#1842213 - 08/22/03 09:03 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nevermind.
Edited by shakta (08/22/03 09:11 PM)
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: shakta]
#1842242 - 08/22/03 09:09 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stop the crap. You want to get into personal attacks, use the Private Message function.
Either address the issue under discussion or stay silent.
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: wingnutx]
#1842357 - 08/22/03 09:55 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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there's a punk rock song about this... I think it's anti-flag, but I can't find it anywhere... it's called "fasicsts fuck off" or something like that. anyway, there's a line in it that goes something like "so what exactly are the accomplishments of the white race? mcdonalds, something else, and something else?" damn I wish I remembered what it was... oh well. oh, it had something to do with sending nazi's back to their nordic god...
anyway, that's not why I hold this opinion, every race has some stupid shit in their past, it's cause white american culture has always just been a rip off, a sham. I totally respect people who pride themselves on their irishness or their germanness, and blacks on their blackness. but american white culture (which is a distinct thing) is shit. the good poets, philosophers, artists, musicians, etc of america have always been outside of white culture even if they're white. that's why jazz and rock blew up, cause there's no soul in white america. nietzsche predicted this...
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: Malachi]
#1842363 - 08/22/03 09:58 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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for instance, why are all of you people co-opting a native sacrament, mushrooms? cause your own culture is devoid of the sacred.
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: Malachi]
#1842401 - 08/22/03 10:14 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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White people invented LSD. Also, most medical drugs.
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1842442 - 08/22/03 10:29 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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no, a german invented LSD. and most "medical" drugs where discovered through observation of indigenous peoples, then synthesizing the active ingredient of their herbs.
white americans did invent the atomic bomb and (no, einstein didn't... he just laid the framework..) country music.. not to mention all kinds of bland, shitty food.
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: Malachi]
#1842518 - 08/22/03 11:01 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: White people invented LSD. Also, most medical drugs.
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Malachi said: no, a german invented LSD.
Hey brainiac, Germans are white people. However, Doctor Albert Hoffman was a Swiss Chemist (also white).
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and most "medical" drugs where discovered through observation of indigenous peoples, then synthesizing the active ingredient of their herbs.
Please provide some proof.
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: Malachi]
#1842671 - 08/23/03 12:44 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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I believe it's closer to 25% of western medicine derrived from plants.
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1842685 - 08/23/03 12:53 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Malachi, there is no such thing as an "american white" that did not come from other parts of the world. White just means a skin color, and many diferent backrounds are whites. If you mean proud of american culture, then I have to remind you, there is really no such thing.
"For instance, why are all of you people co-opting a native sacrament, mushrooms? cause your own culture is devoid of the sacred. "
you mean whites? well, again, thats not a single culture, but explain what you mean by sacred.
"For the record, I think racial pride is a stupid concept."
yup, me too, its not like you had shit to do with whatever race you are...
none of this is a flame, if any of this comes off as offencive, it is not meant to.
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: domite]
#1842745 - 08/23/03 01:35 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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there is though, it's just not easily recognizable since it's so insubstantial. true, american whites came from a variety of other cultures, but that was a long time ago. hundred's of years is more than enough time to create a new culture, and there is. it's white america, just like despite american blacks being from a variety of african cultures but now are distinctly black americans. and just like how many africans have cultural clashes with black americans, most europeans do not recognize white americans as being part of their original cultures. the same is true of native americans, but to a lesser extent because they haven't mixed like blacks and whites: there is more of a pan native american culture, but they (different tribes) are wayyyy more distinct than, say, french white americans from english white americans.
anyway, about the sacred and it's absence from american white culture... christianity is a discarded husk of a faith, altered beyond recognition from it's original precepts. if america embraced the avant garde as a culture as does europe, this might not be such a big deal. but white america doesn't, it reacts fearfully and menacingly toward it and those who produce it. I think this is why the youth culture is so obsessed with finding the sacred in music and drugs and eastern religion the old culture is generally so depraved... a good general rule is to not trust the old, of couse some are veterans who have retained their sense of the sacred, old hippies and the like (even some academics here and there) but generally this is the case. basically the collapse of christianity has created a vaccum in the place where we define value, so relativism has run amok.
cultural pride is good. I didn't understand it at first, but co-opting other cultures is a fair thing to do, like mushroom eaters and festival goers and ravers and that sort of thing... of course, I think that the best thing to do would be to not cop out of the american trip to embrace it a la ken kesey and jimi hendrix and make something new and original, for from the artist comes value and culture. that the currently dominate white culture has this automatic throttle the newcomer paranoid fear of the new (which is actually the sacred), it is to be condemned. individual white people need not go down with the ship, and most here recognize that: most are of the ilk of kesey or kerouac, if to varying degrees, and are doing quite a good job at seperating themselves from white america. that's what punks about, it's what hip hop is about, iit's what jam bands are about, it's what raves are about, it's what the avant garde is about, t's what the mushroom trip is about. conservatives are not about seperating from white american culture, they ARE white american culture. that's what conservatism means. this is the real reason to be liberal, because liberal means able to change. it has nothing to so with the size of the gov't, it has nothing to do with individual rights. these are not "conservative" stances, since individual rights and small gov't haven't been status quo for a long time.
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: Malachi]
#1843100 - 08/23/03 10:35 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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there's a punk rock song about this... I think it's anti-flag, but I can't find it anywhere... it's called "fasicsts fuck off" or something like that.
I believe you're thinking of "Nazi Punks Fuck Off" by the Dead Kennedys. Good song.
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: silversoul7]
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thank you soooo much! I used to listen to that song all the time when I was like 16 and living in madison, WI... oh the memories... the asians... ah..
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Re: Illegals in schools. [Re: silversoul7]
#1843549 - 08/23/03 01:52 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Friend of mine had a sticker of that on his truck about 10 years ago. People constantly thought it meant that he was some kind of white-power guy.
That's even dumber than it sounds considering he's Colombian. Pasty little fucker, though.
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