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Offlineshakta
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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1841242 - 08/22/03 03:44 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Look at the history dude. He played the game and sturng everyone along for 12 fucking years. Whether he had the weapons or not is almost irrelevant at this point. He thought he could play the world against itself by not really making it certain one way or another.

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OfflineAzmodeus
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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: shakta]
    #1841261 - 08/22/03 03:53 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I think the world played him....he didn't want to appear weak to the arab neighboors just waiting to swallow his country, or the americans...but he didn't want to get his ass kicked by open defiance. He was the butt end of some serious manipulatory shit, definately didn't have resources for an international WMD program not to mention the nukes. He was no threat, and the world was starting to see that, so america invaded before they lost the hype and emotion from afghanistan, which fed off 911....


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OfflineCornholio
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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: shakta]
    #1841288 - 08/22/03 04:04 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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shakta said:
That is not really true at all. We don't know that. He would have kicked them out, and let them back in, and kicked them out, and let them back in. He played this game for 12 years successfully.


I think just before the start of the war, inspectors pretty much got to do what they wanted. But the point of my argument was that regardless of Saddam's policy towards the inspectors, we now know that they wouldn't have found WMD, and Bush wouldn't have gotten his war. That's why he had to act.


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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1841458 - 08/22/03 04:55 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

The Bush administration is composed of those who have supplied weaponry to bloody dictators without a conscience for what such weapons will be used for. And as such, are not without guilt for their actions.

Suppose I make a cache of pipebombs in my garage and sell them to the bully down the street. This kid in turns brings them to school and kills his classmates. Am I not at least partly responsible for the deaths of the innocent?


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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: Xochitl]
    #1841737 - 08/22/03 06:37 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Which dictator is america giving thousands of pounds of bombs to so they can bomb other nations exactly?


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OfflineSev
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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #1844983 - 08/24/03 05:44 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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st0nedphucker said:
It really annoys me, how people seem focus on their hatred of bush. Like i have said before the war was justifed for one simple fact genocide




Yeah. Too bad that wasn't used as justification for the war until well after we had troops on the ground, really.


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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: Sev]
    #1845147 - 08/24/03 10:18 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah. Too bad that wasn't used as justification for the war until well after we had troops on the ground, really.





Nope, that was on the list. Doesn't make as sexy a headline as WMDs, though, for some reason.

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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: wingnutx]
    #1845165 - 08/24/03 10:32 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Not really. The reason the war had to happen now and not before the UN inspectors had carried out weapons inspections was because Bush proclaimed Iraq was an "imminent and serious threat" because of WMD.


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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1845587 - 08/24/03 02:20 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Can you post a link were he said it was an imminent threat?

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OfflineGernBlanston
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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: shakta]
    #1845762 - 08/24/03 03:42 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Uhh... did you listen to any of the pre-war press conferences? The SotU adress perhaps?


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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1845849 - 08/24/03 04:17 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

That is what I thought you would say. Here is what he really said. See the difference? Bush said the threat may not be imminent. Waiting for it to be would be stupid.

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Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late. Trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is not a strategy, and it is not an option.



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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: shakta]
    #1845957 - 08/24/03 04:55 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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shakta said:
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Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late.


 


Ah, we now have the perfect excuse to take over the WORLD!!!  :devil: 


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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: Cornholio]
    #1845961 - 08/24/03 04:56 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

You didn't respond to shakta pointing out what Bush really said.

Not of interest to you?


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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1845966 - 08/24/03 04:58 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Of course not. They all claim that Bush said there was an imminent threat, when he said no such thing. This was a preemptive strike, and that is what it was billed as. Debating whether that is right or not is one thing. Since most of America had no problem with it the only argument left for the libbies is that Bush lied about the motives of the war. This simply is not true.

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OfflineCornholio
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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: shakta]
    #1846470 - 08/24/03 07:50 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

You're right, even though the rest of the world had a problem with it, most Americans didn't.  We LOVE war, as evidenced by the fact that our presidents' popularity skyrockets everytime he goes to war.  How fucked up a country are we???  :shake: 


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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: Cornholio]
    #1846479 - 08/24/03 07:53 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

The libberal who live inside my inner ear was telling me his popularity was going down when he went to war. Was he mistaken?


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Offlineshakta
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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: d33p]
    #1847784 - 08/25/03 08:43 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I think saying we love war is a ridiculous statement. I think it shows that we are willing to sacrifice if we think it is worth it.

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OfflineCornholio
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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: shakta]
    #1848952 - 08/25/03 03:59 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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shakta said:
I think saying we love war is a ridiculous statement.


I would almost agree with you, if it weren't for the polls showing this to be the case. 
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I think it shows that we are willing to sacrifice if we think it is worth it. 


Ah, Bush's willingness to sacrafice other American lives just brings a tear to my eye.  :wink: 


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Offlineshakta
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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: Cornholio]
    #1848959 - 08/25/03 04:02 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

You gotta do better than that man. What polls show Americans love war.

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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: Cornholio]
    #1848983 - 08/25/03 04:08 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

War fucking sucks, but there are worse things.

I don't love going to the dentist, either, but it's better than the alternatives.


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