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Invisiblecarbonhoots
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Did Bush really say this?
    #1839547 - 08/22/03 04:18 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

...cuz if he did...whoo boy! What a huge lie!

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we gave him a chance to allow inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in. And therefore, after a reasonable request, we decided to remove him from power, along with other nations


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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1839704 - 08/22/03 07:52 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Your the 4th person that thought that was good enough to post. Here's a link to the 3rd post which has links back to the first two.  :smirk:   


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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: Cornholio]
    #1839742 - 08/22/03 08:38 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

It really annoys me, how people seem focus on their hatred of bush. Like i have said before the war was justifed for one simple fact genocide


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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1839835 - 08/22/03 09:55 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

In his defense the inspecters weren't allowed in some location but allowed in others...just a thought.


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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1839839 - 08/22/03 09:58 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

In theory, I agree with your statement. But Bush made this comment as a blanket statement, and did so without pausing to use any brain he might have to analyze what was about to come out of his mouth first.

That statement by him is indefensable.


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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1839840 - 08/22/03 09:59 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Not really. We all know what he meant.


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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1839924 - 08/22/03 10:38 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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In theory, I agree with your statement. But Bush made this comment as a blanket statement, and did so without pausing to use any brain he might have to analyze what was about to come out of his mouth first.




And the statement was true. You're trying to over-think it. The only question you have to ask yourself is: Did the Iraqi's allow the inspectors everywhere? If the answer is no then he told the truth, if the answer is yes then he's lying. I'll leave the rest up to you.

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That statement by him is indefensable.




and true. Why are you saying this is a lie when even the UN inspectors said they weren't allowed in certain areas? I'd suggest you pick another cause.


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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1840280 - 08/22/03 12:39 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I think Bush did more harm than the Iraqis to the inspection process for totally rushing into war.

The longer the inspections continued, the less the US seemed credible and the less people would have supported an invasion. So, the answer of the Bush administration, was to just dive right into everything with total hype and hysteria and deal with the political reprecussions of their hype and hysteria later.

This is the same thinking when they US declared "an end to the war."

The war still continues and nearly everday an American teenager comes home in a bodybag with his guts blown out. The quicker an "official end" comes, the less people are to question the war, despite the fact that in effect the US is still at war. This is known as the Vietnam Syndrome. War planners know not to drag battle on and on. If they cannot do so physically, they'll use propaganda and spin techniques.

As for major land combat, well there never was any. Most of the regime dropped everything and abandoned their arms and positions.


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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1840301 - 08/22/03 12:44 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

In his defense the inspecters weren't allowed in some location but allowed in others...just a thought.




Too much analysis and reflection on your part. Bush simply said,

we gave him a chance to allow inspectors in, and he wouldnt let them in.

1) it was the UN that gave the chance to allow inspections not the US
2) he let them in.
3) the US ended the inspections by rushing into war based on hype and hysteria and faulty (and laughable) information.

Bush lied.


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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: Xochitl]
    #1840414 - 08/22/03 01:21 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

You need to get your facts straight before you start foaming at the mouth. First of all, the inspectors were in and out of the country for 12 years. No one rushed into anything. Saddam should have been removed from power long ago. Secondly no one "declared an end to the war". Bush declared an end to major combat operations, not the war. Thirdly, Saddam did not cooperate fully with the inspectors like 1441 said he had to.


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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #1840456 - 08/22/03 01:31 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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st0nedphucker said:
It really annoys me, how people seem focus on their hatred of bush.




Why wouldn't we be extremely critical of Bush? You would have asked why we're focusing our hatred towards HItler if it were the 30's.


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Like i have said before the war was justifed for one simple fact genocide




I'll quote Bill Maher for this one(although not word for word). Yeah, he gassed those people...... in the 80's. Talk about a delayed reaction! Yeah Bush he gassed the Kurds when your dad was President. And he was so upset about it, he almost interupted his golf game.




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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1840486 - 08/22/03 01:41 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

You are completely caught up in your own hyperbole.

I disagree with Bush on many, many things, but equating him with Hitler is completely silly.


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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: wingnutx]
    #1840520 - 08/22/03 01:54 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Yes it is. Your quote from old Billy boy makes no sense at all. Saddam has been killing his people consistently for years.


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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: wingnutx]
    #1840521 - 08/22/03 01:55 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Hitler is used quite often as a brand name for facism and totalitarian rule. In this way Bush can definitely be compared to Hitler. Bush is well on his way to taking away everything that made America great(our freedoms).

I am not saying that Bush has killed 6 million people.

I'm saying that Bush is a bad guy and deserves an incredible amount of scrutiny.





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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1840527 - 08/22/03 01:57 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I think it's a good comparison to 1930's Hitler, lets hope the comparison stops there.


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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: shakta]
    #1840540 - 08/22/03 02:02 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Saddam is a bad bad guy, but the things that he has done to his people are only excuses that your President uses to justify invading his country and taking his oil.

You still have this idea that Bush cares for people. Why is that?





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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1840551 - 08/22/03 02:06 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

You are still mistakenly thinking we are going to steal their oil. This is simply untrue.


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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: Xochitl]
    #1840565 - 08/22/03 02:09 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Too much analysis and reflection on your part. Bush simply said,




No analysis was needed, nor was reflection. Truth or not? If you say flase then you'd be mistaken.

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1) it was the UN that gave the chance to allow inspections not the US




That was common knowledge, however whether you like it or not the US was and still is part of the the UN.

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2) he let them in.




Read up my man, Saddam wouldn't allow them is certain areas and palaces. This again is common knowledge.

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3) the US ended the inspections by rushing into war based on hype and hysteria and faulty (and laughable) information.




No argument from me here. But that's besides the point. The original discussion was wether saddam allowed the inspecters 100% access, and he had not.

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Bush lied.




Lied or relied on poor intelligence is a big difference.


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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: shakta]
    #1840577 - 08/22/03 02:12 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Thirdly, Saddam did not cooperate fully with the inspectors like 1441 said he had to.




A majority here haven't read 1441 nor do they even understand what it meant.


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Re: Did Bush really say this? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1840582 - 08/22/03 02:12 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

actually it was IRAN that was responcible for the gassing but for some reason the media wont cover it.

as for weapon inspections, the latest ones that occured right before the war had unlimited access to locations and could go there whenever they wanted. then bush and blair & co. decided the inspections werent going to yeild their evidence for war so they decided to play the shadey PR game and scare civilians with threats like he was developing nukes, millions of gallons of barrels of toxins, and had the ability to deploy within 45 minutes. and now that the US is "in control", they still cant find shit. hmmmm sounds shadey to me.

then theres the matter of what really gives a government the authority to topple another. whatever iraq has done to its people, i promise you it happens in america too but under the guise of something else. my point is all governments are corrupt nasty nasty things who will always end up murdering people and seeking power.

"liberating" the iraqi people was only a side effect of their actions and not the goal like they have spun it to be.


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