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Mr.E.Man
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Did I get ripped off with my spores?
#18395238 - 06/10/13 12:31 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi there,
My first flush from my cased grain is just about ready to harvest.
The only thing thats confusing me is that fact that they are soooooo small. I know it's MS but I thought this variety was supposed to be big fruiters.
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Although, that being said I do like the Amazon. It gives nice fruits like these:

How come other people seem to be able to get big fruits without isolation and I'm stuck with these...

Can someone I.D these and tell me if they are actually Amazon cubensis?
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Re: Did I get ripped off with my spores? [Re: Mr.E.Man]
#18395251 - 06/10/13 12:34 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looks like low FAE. Low FAE will make for skinny fruits.
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Re: Did I get ripped off with my spores? [Re: Mr.E.Man]
#18395267 - 06/10/13 12:39 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mr.E.Man said:
Can someone I.D these and tell me if they are actually Amazon cubensis?
 no, because it's a cube sorry
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Mr.E.Man
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Re: Did I get ripped off with my spores? [Re: ganjfather]
#18395402 - 06/10/13 01:13 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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ganjfather said: Looks like low FAE. Low FAE will make for skinny fruits.
Yer, tall and skinny. These are not even getting above 1.5". I don't see how it could possibly be FAE. My SGFC was built exactly to spec. I am very precise when it comes to things like that :/
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newera said:
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Mr.E.Man said:
Can someone I.D these and tell me if they are actually Amazon cubensis?
 no, because it's a cube sorry
You can still I.D a cube :/
I don't know cubes well enough but i'm sure there are a few people on here that DO know cubes.
It sounds to me like you have been reading the "A cube is a cube" thread. This one...
Most cubes are different in the respect that they have different features about them that makes them unique. And also some are more potent than others, some are larger than others and some are just plain weird looking
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Re: Did I get ripped off with my spores? [Re: Mr.E.Man]
#18395447 - 06/10/13 01:25 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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same thing with psilocybe cyans or azures or gymnopilus and many other species,and thats the beuaty of multi-spore but froma scopes view forget it. we id species not variety's. yes there are obvious visual diffrences in cubes and certain traits but the term cube is a cube will stand when it comes to how they grow/what the print looks like under a scope
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Re: Did I get ripped off with my spores? [Re: cronicr]
#18395472 - 06/10/13 01:30 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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cronicr said: same thing with psilocybe cyans or azures or gymnopilus and many other species,and thats the beuaty of multi-spore but froma scopes view forget it. we id species not variety's. yes there are obvious visual diffrences in cubes and certain traits but the term cube is a cube will stand when it comes to how they grow/what the print looks like under a scope
I know that the meaning of 'a cube is a cube' is restricted like you say, they grow the same and the spores look alike.
So what is your take on this cron? Any ideas as to why all my flushes with these have been sooooo small? Just genetics? I got the 100,000 crappiest spores every produced by a mushroom?
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Re: Did I get ripped off with my spores? [Re: Mr.E.Man]
#18395487 - 06/10/13 01:35 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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well cased grains are not infamous for larger fruits, grains alone are said to not hold moisture as well as bulk subs or some shit.(and you got a great pinset btw those look meaty). and on top of that most "bigger" fruits will come in later flushes anyway so don't worry about it, i would call that a win regardless
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Re: Did I get ripped off with my spores? [Re: cronicr]
#18395493 - 06/10/13 01:38 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Eh, I wouldn't worry so much about the size of the fruits, as far as I can tell it's just how the genetics played out... I have some that are 2" tall at most yet they colonize quickly and are extremely strong. I think they make up for their small size with the fact that they put out a ton of fruits so the final amount isn't too different from a bunch with larger ones.
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Re: Did I get ripped off with my spores? [Re: Mr.E.Man]
#18395503 - 06/10/13 01:41 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ripped off?? Are you kidding me?
The sprores are clearly marked for microscopy only besides.
As far as identification of a cubensis, sub varietal differences are only pronounced in a few varieties. Most are brownish capped.....cubes. You'd be surprised how a single culture will perform with various differing growth parameters & substrate conditions.
Multispore &/or shallow substrate/low moisture.
You got P. cubensis , so definitely not ripped off. Its all the same species. Multispore is like roulette. Just because someone had luck, doesn't mean you will.
The classics are very similar. If you want something beastly, go for something that's had more recent work done on it, like one of the penis varietal crosses.
Again, though, multi-spore. You should do your own culturing if you' re looking for something.
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Mr.E.Man
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Re: Did I get ripped off with my spores? [Re: nucleophile]
#18395527 - 06/10/13 01:53 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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cronicr said: well cased grains are not infamous for larger fruits, grains alone are said to not hold moisture as well as bulk subs or some shit.(and you got a great pinset btw those look meaty). and on top of that most "bigger" fruits will come in later flushes anyway so don't worry about it, i would call that a win regardless
Oh yer I think someone said the same thing about my cakes. May have been you. I guess I will just have to wait for future flushes and see if they are bigger the next time round. It's not a major deal I was just curious tbh.
Thanks
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nucleophile said: Eh, I wouldn't worry so much about the size of the fruits, as far as I can tell it's just how the genetics played out... I have some that are 2" tall at most yet they colonize quickly and are extremely strong. I think they make up for their small size with the fact that they put out a ton of fruits so the final amount isn't too different from a bunch with larger ones.

Well that does make sense. I never thought about it like that. From my cakes I got about 8-9g dry each with these spores. I'm not sure but I think thats about average. I'll see what happens like I said above.
Thanks for the advice.
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You got P. cubensis , so definitely not ripped off. Its all the same species.
Hmmm. I think this is a bit of a dodgy statement. You telling me you wouldn't be annoyed if you ordered cambodians and got amazons? Wether or not 'a cube is a cube', Its the principal. I ordered a certain variety so one would expect to get that variety.
Thanks for the advice though. My understanding of MS grows stronger each day. I just wish I had the funds spare to start with agar :/
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PussyFart
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Re: Did I get ripped off with my spores? [Re: Mr.E.Man]
#18395542 - 06/10/13 01:58 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mr.E.Man said: You telling me you wouldn't be annoyed if you ordered cambodians and got amazons?
Chances are you wouldn't be able to tell them apart.
So no, I would not be annoyed, because a cube is a cube, with the exception of PE.
They will all grow the same, and they will all have the same random crapshoot genetics, regardless of what name some vendor gave a certain group of spores.
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Mr.E.Man
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Re: Did I get ripped off with my spores? [Re: PussyFart]
#18395660 - 06/10/13 02:42 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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Mr.E.Man said: You telling me you wouldn't be annoyed if you ordered cambodians and got amazons?
Chances are you wouldn't be able to tell them apart.
So no, I would not be annoyed, because a cube is a cube, with the exception of PE.
They will all grow the same, and they will all have the same random crapshoot genetics, regardless of what name some vendor gave a certain group of spores.
So basically all vendors lie and give the illusion that there are different types of spores when really they are all the same?
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Re: Did I get ripped off with my spores? [Re: Mr.E.Man]
#18395665 - 06/10/13 02:46 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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they don't lie, people just get the wrong impression. it's right there in all these variet's titles:PSILOCYBE CUBENSIS
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Re: Did I get ripped off with my spores? [Re: Mr.E.Man]
#18395691 - 06/10/13 02:55 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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The names these varieties have mainly come from where the spores originated, but they are all the same species, and they all share unpredictable genetic differences.
You cannot know what your sperm is going to turn in to until you actually impregnate a woman and she gives birth.
There is no way to predict what the kid will look like, or the gender, or the speed at which he or she will grow.
There is also no way to tell if the kid will have mental or physical handicaps/defects, when just dealing with sperm.
It's basically the same principal with spores...you cannot predict what genetic material is going to be created before it happens, so there is no way to tell what the final product will look like, or how it will act....but it will be a cube.
I hope that made the slightest bit of sense...im kinda high and tired....
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Edited by PussyFart (06/10/13 02:57 AM)
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Mr.E.Man
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Re: Did I get ripped off with my spores? [Re: PussyFart]
#18395755 - 06/10/13 03:19 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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cronicr said: they don't lie, people just get the wrong impression. it's right there in all these variet's titles:PSILOCYBE CUBENSIS
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Notahacker420 said:
I hope that made the slightest bit of sense...im kinda high and tired....
Yep. Both them comments have basically cleared it up. I think I actually told someone that the other day as well.... Ha I fucking did!
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CatchThirtythr33 said: Is this just genetics or is it an environmental thing? I've had a number of pins with these weird cleft caps.

Yes. It's called MS (MultiSpore) so that means it's sort of like how humans are I suppose... Everybody is different. Every spore has the potential to be something different. Thats what agar work is for.
You can isolate a certain area of growth on the plate that is strong and agressive and hope to eventually have an isolate that produces the same fruits every time near enough, give or take a few environmental differences.
I should really stop smoking so much pot man!
The constant paranoia of things going wrong that hangs over you when you start cultivating mushrooms and lots and lots of weed obviously don't mix haha
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Re: Did I get ripped off with my spores? [Re: Mr.E.Man]
#18395771 - 06/10/13 03:26 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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don't blame it on the pot, like the mushrooms you grow you are also the result of a multispore injection, it's not your fault but it dam sure ain't the marijaunas!
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Mr.E.Man
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Re: Did I get ripped off with my spores? [Re: cronicr]
#18395786 - 06/10/13 03:34 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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cronicr said: don't blame it on the pot, like the mushrooms you grow you are also the result of a multispore injection, it's not your fault but it dam sure ain't the marijaunas!
Haha looking back, I realise that I shouldn't of blamed the weed. It is just an innocent bystander in all this...
Sorry if I offended you
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Re: Did I get ripped off with my spores? [Re: Mr.E.Man]
#18395794 - 06/10/13 03:39 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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 i'm heading to bed broQuote:
Mr.E.Man said:

again regardless thats a pretty dope outecome by any standards
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Mr.E.Man
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Re: Did I get ripped off with my spores? [Re: cronicr]
#18395862 - 06/10/13 04:17 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, sweet dreams pal.
I just pulled them and they are 128g wet. Whats that like for cased grain?
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Re: Did I get ripped off with my spores? [Re: Mr.E.Man]
#18396071 - 06/10/13 06:34 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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its a pretty small tub, thats about the size of fruits i get with my mini monos from a 1.5 inch deep substrate.
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